The Great Police Work Thread

[Cotton]

Well see if you can get governmental and law enforcement officials to agree with you. Personally I don't know the solution. Crime has a long history in the annals of mankind. Some say changing man's nature is the answer while others swear that freedom to pursue is and yet some say strict adherence to the rules are the only acceptable way. Puts it to square one for me. I have no absolute answers but I do have some experiences that say trouble will leave you alone most of the time if you don't go looking for it. That's the best I can offer.

Bingo. You said it better than I did and much more succinctly.

 

[townsend]

Victim mentality. It's going to kill this country. Do you seriously think that the laws in Ferguson are so much worse than the rest of the country? Really?



Are you saying that people should disobey the law because they might think it's outdated, and if they do they shouldn't who up to their court dates? And it's the system's fault that they end up in jail? Not their own fault for not doing what the system says they they have to? Like a 14 year old that doesn't like what his parents tell them to do? You are such a revolutionist.



So as long as people don't commit violent crimes, they should be allowed to do what law abiding citizens do and get employment however they would like regardless of their past. This is the stupidest thing you have ever posted.

So you talk about how hard it is to be a cop, but you can't be the slightest bit bothered to see what it's like to be an oppressed minority.

Yes, undoubtedly it is harder to stay out of the laws way if you are in Ferguson Missouri. I can back this up with a mountain of evidence. Including the exhaustive DOJ report that mentions the extortionate and gang like practices of Ferguson PD, that placed citizens in perpetual debt to the city. The tendency for Ferguson cops to harass black citizens. The multiple accounts of unwarranted police brutality.

Do you honestly believe that you are somehow so morally superior to the entire city of Ferguson's citizens that you wouldn't be part of the oppressed majority, if you lived there and shared their skin color?

How could you possibly refute the prison pipeline? Do you think that more Americans are criminals than anywhere else in the world? This is an established undeniable fact,

 

[townsend]

The root of this debate is this. Idealists think they can end issues between cops and criminals by flipping a switch.

Realists like me know that's not possible. So, I argue that maybe it's the criminals that are the main issue, and the anti-establishment peeps are like "ALL COPS SUCK" and they should all be reformed and stuff or some shit.

The middle ground won't be found with idealism. It has to be found through practical thinking, and that won't happen when you are looking through glasses that see the majority of cops as bad men. It just won't.

No one thinks all cops suck. But it's absolutely true that this position of extreme trust is violated on a daily basis, and it's high time we questioned the amount of lenience we've permitted for officers using lethal force, that is an order of magnitude worse than any other industrialized nation.

I don't think all Catholic priests suck. But after a bunch of them got caught fucking children, I certainly questioned how much trust they were worthy of.

 

[townsend]

Here's the DOJ report on Ferguson BTW. It backs up everything I was saying.

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

 

[townsend]

https://www.aclu.org/fact-sheet/what-school-prison-pipeline

Aclu's explanation on the prison pipeline.

 

[townsend]

More on fines, poverty, and the incarceration carousel
http://www.npr.org/2014/05/19/312158516/increasing-court-fees-punish-the-poor

 

[townsend]

On disproportionate enforcement of laws against blacks.

 

[Jiggyfly]

All caused by slavery, right?

This is dumb. Ferguson residents are not any more subject to the law than anyone else.

They got tickets for doing stuff the law says they can't? OMG

The pipeline statement is the funniest to me. We have set up our system to target black people?

When did anybody bring slavery into the discussion?

 

[L.T. Fan]

When did anybody bring slavery into the discussion?

Yeah. Iamtdg did.

 

[L.T. Fan]

When did anybody bring slavery into the discussion?

Yeah. Iamtdg did. . Just now.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

All caused by slavery, right?

This is dumb. Ferguson residents are not any more subject to the law than anyone else.

They got tickets for doing stuff the law says they can't? OMG

The pipeline statement is the funniest to me. We have set up our system to target black people?

You're just blatantly wrong and the United States Department of Justice says so. Do you not have any idea what happened in Ferguson? I think this is a prime example of you just automatically saying everything cops do is right, even when it isn't. Here is a link to a copy of the report and an article talking about it.

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/department-of-justice-report-on-the-ferguson-mo-police-department/1435/

Two Ferguson police officers resign following Justice Department report
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By Sarah Larimer March 6

Protesters block traffic on the street outside the Ferguson, Mo., police department Wednesday. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)
Two Ferguson, Mo., police officers stepped down this week following the release of a Justice Department report that included racist e-mail exchanges that involved members of the city’s police force and local court officials.

Officers Rick Henke and William Mudd resigned from the force on Thursday, Ferguson City Attorney Stephanie Karr confirmed through an e-mail that was sent by a city spokesman on Friday. Additionally, Court Clerk Mary Ann Twitty was fired Wednesday.

The e-mail did not expand on the details of the decisions, which were also reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and CNN earlier Friday. Both outlets said they were connected to the messages noted by the Justice Department.

The Justice Department on Wednesday released a report that explained why Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson wouldn’t face federal civil rights charges in connection with the fatal shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown, whose death in August sparked unrest in the St. Louis suburb.

[Read: The DOJ report on the police department in Ferguson]

A second report focused on law enforcement practices and issues within the department. Here’s how the e-mails were described in that report:

A November 2008 email stated that President Barack Obama would not be President for very long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”

A March 2010 email mocked African Americans through speech and familial stereotypes, using a story involving child support. One line from the email read: “I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment! Month after month, year after year, all dose payments!”

An April 2011 email depicted President Barack Obama as a chimpanzee.

A May 2011 email stated: “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from. The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.'”

A June 2011 email described a man seeking to obtain “welfare” for his dogs because they are “mixed in color, unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and have no frigging clue who their Daddies are.”

An October 2011 email included a photo of a bare-chested group of dancing women, apparently in Africa, with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion.”

A December 2011 email included jokes that are based on offensive stereotypes about Muslims.

[Read more: The seven racist e-mails the Justice Department highlighted in its report on Ferguson police]

The Post-Dispatch notes that it remains unclear whether Henke, Mudd and Twitty “were alleged to be senders or recipients of offensive emails.”

 

[Cotton]

I'm not saying that there is not some underlying racism in Ferguson. It's quite obvious that there is. I'm saying the law is the same in Ferguson as it is in the rest of the country. Now, whether it's enforced the same is absolutely debatable. But, the main point of my comment was directed at the pipeline comment. We have not intentionally set up our system to target one type of person, unless you want to argue that we set it up to target criminals, and in that case I would agree with you.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Yeah, let him get right up on you and then try like an arm bar or something. This also allows the suspect to get within reach of your firearm. Sound tactics.

Did you forget it was 3 on one? Seriously, dude, football player or not, 3 trained cops should be able to wrestle one guy to the ground without blowing him away. He was "charging" 3 guys. In the prison system if we get a three on one against an aggressive inmate those are odds we'll take all day, every day.

 

[Jiggyfly]

I'm not saying that there is not some underlying racism in Ferguson. It's quite obvious that there is. I'm saying the law is the same in Ferguson as it is in the rest of the country. Now, whether it's enforced the same is absolutely debatable. But, the main point of my comment was directed at the pipeline comment. We have not intentionally set up our system to target one type of person, unless you want to argue that we set it up to target criminals, and in that case I would agree with you.

You most definitley were saying the issues in Ferguson were the fault of the population and the cops were just doing there jobs.

Victim mentality. It's going to kill this country. Do you seriously think that the laws in Ferguson are so much worse than the rest of the country? Really?


Are you saying that people should disobey the law because they might think it's outdated, and if they do they shouldn't who up to their court dates? And it's the system's fault that they end up in jail? Not their own fault for not doing what the system says they they have to? Like a 14 year old that doesn't like what his parents tell them to do? You are such a revolutionist.

Your words, dont backtrack now.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Did you forget it was 3 on one? Seriously, dude, football player or not, 3 trained cops should be able to wrestle one guy to the ground without blowing him away. He was "charging" 3 guys. In the prison system if we get a three on one against an aggressive inmate those are odds we'll take all day, every day.

I thought of you when he first argued that shooting was proper response and the training I had in Juvenile detention, I know cops are better trained in physical restraint.

I have to wonder if that is part of the problem some cops don't believe they have to use physical restraint before pulling a gun.

In other words don't have to get there hands dirty.

 

[BipolarFuk]

 

[Cotton]

You most definitley were saying the issues in Ferguson were the fault of the population and the cops were just doing there jobs.



Your words, dont backtrack now.

I said the laws are the same in Ferguson just like everywhere else in the country. It's not the system's fault people can't obey the law. It's the same victim mentality that is plaguing this country right now. And, yeah, it's the part of population that can't obey the law that cause issues. But, you're putting words in my mouth. I never once even insinuated that the racist issues in Ferguson were the population's fault.

 

[Jiggyfly]

You can't make this shit up.

Ohio Cop Pulls Over Black Man Who 'Made Direct Eye Contact' With Him
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0b7a96338e614



"It’s just awareness that this stuff still happens in 2015."

Earlier this month, a police officer in Dayton, Ohio, tailed a man by the name of John Felton for two miles, then pulled him over for failing to use a turn signal 100 feet prior to making his turn. To be clear: Felton used a turn signal, but he apparently didn't put it on early enough.

Only after handing over a written warning did the officer acknowledge the real reason he'd pulled over Felton, a black man who was driving a car with out-of-state plates: He had "made direct eye contact" with the officer.

The Dayton Police Department confirmed the incident in a statement emailed to The Huffington Post on Friday, and acknowledged that "making direct eye contact with an officer" is not a legitimate reason to be stopped.

"The Dayton Police Department is a true partner in the community and enjoys a positive community-police relationship," the statement said. "The Dayton Police Department is in contact with Mr. Felton. He has agreed to a conversation with the officer, facilitated by the Dayton Mediation Center. This will allow Mr. Felton and the Officer to discuss the specifics of the incident."

Felton captured the absurd interaction on camera, then shared the video on Facebook page.

"This is why I hate coming to Dayton," he wrote in the caption. "He had no grounds for following/trailing me other than seeing an Infiniti with Michigan plates. His reason? 'I gave him direct eye contact while passing him.'"


fter a bit of back and forth, Felton tells the officer he's using his cell phone to record the conversation and insists he had used his turn signal.

"You did signal," the officer clarifies. "You just didn't do it 100 feet prior to your turn."

"You just needed a reason to pull me over, sir," Felton responds, handing over his license and registration. "Is there a reason you pulled me over other than that?"

"Jesus Christ, this is so childish," he adds, speaking to himself.

The officer walks away, then returns a short time later with a written warning for the infraction.

"No disrespect, I don't have anything against police officers," Felton tells the officer, "but all the **** that's going on now, that's some scary **** to have a police officer just trailing you. ... Why were you trailing me?"

"Because you made direct eye contact with me and held onto it while I was passing you," he replies. "If you want to keep talking about it, I'll just give you a citation for the violation and we can take it to court. I'm not going to argue about it anymore."

In an interview with Dayton TV station ABC 22/FOX 45, Felton, who lives in Detroit, said he felt targeted as soon as he saw the officer's car.

"I have a nice car, I don’t know if he’d seen me as a black male, but I feel like I was targeted. Being a Michigan car and it was about 11 at night," he said. "I’m not your stereotypical black male that a lot of people have in mind. It’s just awareness that this stuff still happens in 2015."

 

[Jiggyfly]

I said the laws are the same in Ferguson just like everywhere else in the country. It's not the system's fault people can't obey the law. It's the same victim mentality that is plaguing this country right now. And, yeah, it's the part of population that can't obey the law that cause issues. But, you're putting words in my mouth. I never once even insinuated that the racist issues in Ferguson were the population's fault.

The old i'm putting words in your mouth argument..............when I am using your exact words.

 

[Cotton]

The old i'm putting words in your mouth argument..............when I am using your exact words.

You said that I said "the issues in Ferguson are on the population." I did not say that. So, therefore, yes you are putting words in my mouth.