The Great Police Work Thread

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The absence of data is part of the problem. It's like if an accountant embezzled 7 figures from a company, but then shredded all of their financial documents. The accountant doesn't get to say "Well you don't even know how much I stole! Find some hard data, that I haven't intentionally destroyed."
 
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The absence of data is part of the problem. It's like if an accountant embezzled 7 figures from a company, but then shredded all of their financial documents. The accountant doesn't get to say "Well you don't even know how much I stole! Find some hard data, that I haven't intentionally destroyed."
That very well could be the dumbest analogy I have ever seen.
 
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Considering the total number of people killed in western Eurppean countries by the cops tends to remain in the single digits, we're probably fucking up getting into 4 digits no matter how many are justified. Somehow other police forces are able to avoid putting themselves in that position.
 

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Considering the total number of people killed in western Eurppean countries by the cops tends to remain in the single digits, we're probably fucking up getting into 4 digits no matter how many are justified. Somehow other police forces are able to avoid putting themselves in that position.
This is the real point. Justified or not, police shouldn't be killing this many people. The system is broken clearly. It's not just a matter of cops shooting unarmed people for no reason, there is way more of a problem then just that. I'm not trying to put this all on the officer side of things. There is a hostility set up that doesn't seem to exist in other countries.
 

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That very well could be the dumbest analogy I have ever seen.
Said another way, there is no data to support the conclusion. Did it ever occur to anyone that the youth of this country has become some of the most violent since the birth of this nation. Let's consider that in the presumed escalation of numbers.
 
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Said another way, there is no data to support the conclusion. Did it ever occur to anyone that the youth of this country has become some of the most violent since the birth of this nation. Let's consider that in the presumed escalation of numbers.
:lol

And you are basing this on what?
 

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Said another way, there is no data to support the conclusion. Did it ever occur to anyone that the youth of this country has become some of the most violent since the birth of this nation. Let's consider that in the presumed escalation of numbers.
That is a complete and utterly laughable lie. Violent crime has gone down every year since 1993. We're at lower per capita numbers than when you were a kid.
 

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That is a complete and utterly laughable lie. Violent crime has gone down every year since 1993. We're at lower per capita numbers than when you were a kid.
First of all I was addressing youth specifically. Secondly I do not recall in my earlier life and subsequently hearing of young people killing school mates in mass murder escapades like there has been in the past 20 or so years. And finally the statistics may show a reduction on a per capita basis but the crimes are more violent.
 

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First of all I was addressing youth specifically. Secondly I do not recall in my earlier life and subsequently hearing of young people killing school mates in mass murder escapades like there has been in the past 20 or so years. And finally the statistics may show a reduction on a per capita basis but the crimes are more violent.
This is correct. There are much more mass murder/terrorist type events now versus back in the day. When I was a kid there were no such thing. You would hear about them happening in other countries and they were blown off as terrorism that could never reach our country. That terrorism is in our country now, and it's domestic, and there is absolutely no denying it.
 

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Hard to pinpoint a connection between terrorism and cop caused deaths. Most police victims are poor, black or both.

Most terrorists are well off white guys with no criminal record.
 

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Hard to pinpoint a connection between terrorism and cop caused deaths. Most police victims are poor, black or both.

Most terrorists are well off white guys with no criminal record.
The guy that shot up that theatre in NC was killed by a cop. Just saying.
 

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The guy that shot up that theatre in NC was killed by a cop. Just saying.
Yeah. But usually they off themselves or give up. Even if every one of the mass shooters this year was taken down by a cop, it would maybe make up 1% of annual shootings by cops.
 

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Yeah. But usually they off themselves or give up. Even if every one of the mass shooters this year was taken down by a cop, it would maybe make up 1% of annual shootings by cops.
I'm not trying to say that mass shootings make up for a lot of cop killings. More supporting the idea that this generation is more violent than any before it. And it's true.
 

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I'm not trying to say that mass shootings make up for a lot of cop killings. More supporting the idea that this generation is more violent than any before it. And it's true.
overall it's false. Even with an increase in mass shootings, violent crimes are way down across the board. Less violence means less violent criminals which means it's a less violent generation.

we're seeing a handful of violent people, usually belonging to fringe extremist groups act out, and is an incredibly small percentage of the actual population.
 

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Frankly I think the terrorists we're seeing (belonging to right wing fringe typically) are specifically acting out against this less violent society.
 

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overall it's false. Even with an increase in mass shootings, violent crimes are way down across the board. Less violence means less violent criminals which means it's a less violent generation.

we're seeing a handful of violent people, usually belonging to fringe extremist groups act out, and is an incredibly small percentage of the actual population.
Again, not talking about the entire population. Just the youth. You can't use crime statistics unless you break it down by age.
 

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Again, not talking about the entire population. Just the youth. You can't use crime statistics unless you break it down by age.
Violent crimes were always driven by youth. You think it was 50 year olds committing all the gang related murders back in the 80s and 90s?
 

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Violent crimes were always driven by youth. You think it was 50 year olds committing all the gang related murders back in the 80s and 90s?
Old people just show them how. No way a Dylan Roof shoots up a church without old ass white supremacists "inspiring" him to.

I think there's a very considerable parallel between our homegrown right wing fringe terrorists and Islamic extremists.
 
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