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Clay_Allison

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BTW what screwy things does FT Worth do every few months you were referring to that. The few things I know about that happened in our dept our leadership took care of.
I thought you were with Garland PD?

The most recent one that I thought was Ft Worth, I think because it was reported by the Star Telegram, was actually in LaPorte. The others I had seen recently were reports of incidents that happened in 2013, typical "wrong house" killings. In one they responded to the wrong house on a burglary call and shot a 72 year old man. The other they left a suspect face down, cuffed until he suffocated (something I'd be charged with manslaughter for if I did to an inmate). Not sure if they've done anything lately but sometimes these things don't make it to the news until a lawsuit is filed and the complainants go take the story to the media.

Almost all of the bad stories I see are from union states where it is ridiculously hard to fire public employees (same places where you hear horror stories from their school systems as well).
 

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The old man shooting was a bad deal, and I wish it had gone down differently. But the old guy had a gun, refused several orders to put it down and then raised it to point it at the officers. Both are good kids and it still haunts them. The other thing you're talking about was 15 years ago or more. I don't remember an in custody death recently that wasn't due to the person being so high on dope it was amazing they were still walking to begin with.
 

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The old man shooting was a bad deal, and I wish it had gone down differently. But the old guy had a gun, refused several orders to put it down and then raised it to point it at the officers. Both are good kids and it still haunts them. The other thing you're talking about was 15 years ago or more. I don't remember an in custody death recently that wasn't due to the person being so high on dope it was amazing they were still walking to begin with.
May 27, 2013 (time the news item was posted).

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/27/man-dies-after-police-tase-him-family-puzzled/

This one. Useless no knock, tase and then hold a fat man on his stomach until he dies. Mind you, he wasn't fighting, he was alseep when they broke into his home.
 

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Police work is an understandably stressful job, it's currently probably a pretty lousy time to be one. Sort of like being a catholic priest a few years ago, or a postman in the 90s.
I'm genuinely grateful for the peacekeepers who do the kind of crap on a daily basis that would wreck me. I was once a bystander who called 911 and waived down an ambulance for a woman whose car flipped and she was trapped inside. I did my best to talk her through it before first responders started showing up. (EMS, a couple cops, volunteer firemen). The roads had been iced over, and the little town where it had happened was pretty much down to their last man. I heard about the wrecks that had also happened, a couple of fatalities, over the radio. It fucked me up for the rest of the night. I can't imagine having to be the guy who has to deal with a family who just lost their kid in an accident.
As much as I will continue to scream for accountability and reform. I think the service that officers provide, particularly in catastrophic situations, is very important.
 

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Another reason for the artificially low number of police complaints in iamtdg's video. This is what happens when you try to file a complaint. Cops don't have to shoot people to be wrong, being aggressive and attempting to intimidate the public to prevent them from exercising their rights is also wrong.
 

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I don't now nor have I ever denied that it happens, but percentage wise it's a small number of the 750,00 plus cops out there. I bet it isn't any larger a percentage than that of jailers who abuse or mistreat inmates. And most in leadership are trying to get rid of it.
 

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I don't now nor have I ever denied that it happens, but percentage wise it's a small number of the 750,00 plus cops out there. I bet it isn't any larger a percentage than that of jailers who abuse or mistreat inmates. And most in leadership are trying to get rid of it.
Well, numbers were put to paper, but Clay decided he didn't like how they looked or how they were gathered. So, try again.
 

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I don't now nor have I ever denied that it happens, but percentage wise it's a small number of the 750,00 plus cops out there. I bet it isn't any larger a percentage than that of jailers who abuse or mistreat inmates. And most in leadership are trying to get rid of it.
It's probably less of a percentage, to be honest. The pay is lower for prisons, the standards for hiring are lower, and you're not working out in the public eye. But everyone hates "prison guards", no one mistakes us for heroes.

I don't defend TDCJ at all. It's just as badly in need of reform as policing, if not more, though the most common problem is corruption, dirty officers working for the inmates for bribes, less so abuse. We actually do have a grievance system and correctional officers aren't as loyal to each other and willing to cover for each other as cops, for better and worse. I think it comes from having a more diverse workforce. People who have less in common are less likely to close ranks. Also we work unarmed and outnumbered at least 50 to 1 on a regular basis. If a CO is routinely abusive the inmates will get their chance to retaliate. Right before I started at my unit the inmates cornered an officer in a hallway and beat the shit out of him. When you deal with people with long sentences and long memories, who form into gangs, it's better not to go out of your way to make enemies.

Unfortunately it's hard to get people to care about prison reform unless there's something like a mass riot or breakout, something that would take an incredible amount of deterioration in security to allow. I think a massive riot will occur and we'll lose the interior of a unit soon. It's happened twice in recent years in private units and ours are only a bit better. Some of our West Texas units are at or below 40% staffing. A major security breach is inevitable.
 

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As I've said before Brother, I in no way would ever want to do the job you do. Ever. And I don't mean to disparage it either. I know there are plenty of good folk doing the hard work. I'm just sort of sick of this thread in general.
 

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Heavily armed drug cops raid retiree’s garden, seize okra plants

Heavily armed drug cops raid retiree’s garden, seize okra plants

Georgia police declare war on okra

By Christopher Ingraham

Georgia police raided a retired Atlanta man's garden last Wednesday after a helicopter crew with the Governor's Task Force for Drug Suppression spotted suspicious-looking plants on the man's property. A heavily-armed K9 unit arrived and discovered that the plants were, in fact, okra bushes.

The officers eventually apologized and left, but they took some of the suspicious okra leaves with them for analysis. Georgia state patrol told WSB-TV in Atlanta that "we've not been able to identify it as of yet. But it did have quite a number of characteristics that were similar to a cannabis plant."

Indeed! Like cannabis, okra is green and it has leaves.

Okra busts like these are good reason for taxpayers to be skeptical about the wisdom of sending guys up in helicopters to fly around aimlessly, looking for drugs in suburban gardens. And that's not to mention the issue of whether we want a society where heavily-armed cops can burst into your property, with no grounds for suspicion beyond what somebody thought he saw from several hundred yards up in a helicopter.

Marijuana eradication programs, like the one that sent the helicopter up above the Georgia man's house, are typically funded partly via the Drug Enforcement Agency's Cannabis Eradication Program. Many of these funds come from the controversial asset forfeiture programs, which allow law enforcement officials to seize property from citizens never even charged - much less convicted - of a crime.

The Cannabis Eradication programs have historically inflated the size of their hauls by including non-psychoactive "ditchweed" in their totals of plants seized. In past years, ditchweed accounted for up to 98 percent of seized outdoor plant totals. According to the ONDCP, ditchweed still makes up an unspecified percent of outdoor plants seized.

It is also unclear how many of the seized plants are actually okra.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/06/heavily-armed-drug-cops-raid-retirees-garden-seize-okra-plants/?postshare=1961425520267593
 

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For the pro death penalty crowd. Congrats. You may have killed an innocent

For the pro death penalty crowd. Congrats. You may have killed an innocent

A dad was executed for deaths of his 3 girls. Now a letter casts more doubt.

CORSICANA, Tex. — More than a decade after Cameron Todd Willingham was executed for the arson murder of his three young daughters, new evidence has emerged that indicates that a key prosecution witness testified in return for a secret promise to have his own criminal sentence reduced.

In a previously undisclosed letter that the witness, Johnny E. Webb, wrote from prison in 1996, he urged the lead prosecutor in Willingham’s case to make good on what Webb described as an earlier promise to downgrade his conviction. Webb also hinted that he might make his complaint public.

Within days, the prosecutor, John H. Jackson, sought out the Navarro County judge who had handled Willingham’s case and came away with a court order that altered the record of Webb’s robbery conviction to make him immediately eligible for parole. Webb would later recant his testimony that Willingham confessed to setting his house on fire with the toddlers inside.

Jackson’s handling of the case is now under investigation by the State Bar of Texas, following a formal complaint of prosecutorial misconduct last summer. That grievance asked that Jackson be sanctioned or even prosecuted for falsifying official records, withholding evidence and obstructing justice.

On Monday, an attorney for Jackson said he expected the Texas bar to notify his client soon that it will pursue formal charges of misconduct. The attorney, Joseph E. Byrne, said Jackson would seek to have any such charges heard by a jury, as the bar rules allow.

Regardless of when Jackson would have learned of a possible deal, he would have been legally bound to disclose any such favorable treatment of a witness to the defense. For Willingham — who maintained his innocence until he was executed in 2004 — the revelation might have been sufficient grounds for a new trial.

To death penalty opponents, Willingham’s case is among those that have come closest to proving for the first time in the modern era of capital punishment that an innocent person has been put to death in the United States.

In an e-mail, Byrne said he could not comment on any of the specific allegations against Jackson, because they involved pending litigation. But he added, “We are confident that a Texas Jury who hears all of the evidence in this case will find that Mr. Jackson has done nothing inappropriate.”

Jackson did not personally comment in response to e-mails or telephone calls requesting he address the matter.

Jackson has long denied that the state cut any sort of deal with Webb for his testimony. But Jackson recently amended his account, telling the Texas bar that he had intervened on Webb’s behalf after Webb’s attorney told Jackson in 1996 that she believed her client’s conviction should have been for the lesser charge. Webb’s attorney said she based this belief on her negotiations with Jackson’s boss, the district attorney, Jackson said.

At the time of the fire that erupted in the small frame house Willingham shared with his wife and three daughters, he was 23 years old, an out-of-work car mechanic with a volatile marriage and a local reputation as something of a troublemaker. He said he awoke from a nap to find the home so filled with smoke and flames that he could not locate his sleeping children and was barely able to stumble out of the house alive.

Webb later said that while they both were being held in the Navarro County jail, Willingham spontaneously confessed to him that he had set the fire to cover up his wife’s abuse of one of the girls. Autopsies of the girls showed no signs of abuse — but it was the strongest evidence the prosecution had other than the finding of arson by fire investigators. That finding has been discredited by a series of forensic experts.

In two days of interviews recently with the Marshall Project, Webb gave the most detailed account to date of how he came to testify against Willingham. He said that Jackson threatened him with a life sentence in the robbery case — a possibility under Texas law because Webb had several prior convictions — unless he testified.

“I did not want to see Willingham go to death row and die for something I damn well knew was a lie and something I didn’t initiate,” Webb said.

“I lied on the man because I was being forced by John Jackson to do so,” Webb said. “I succumbed to pressure when I shouldn’t have. In the end, I was told, ‘You’re either going to get a life sentence or you’re going to testify.’ He coerced me to do it.”

During Willingham’s three-day trial in August 1992, Jackson pointedly asked Webb on the witness stand whether he had been promised a lighter sentence or some other benefit for his cooperation. Webb told the judge and jury that he had not.

Documents published last year by the Marshall Project and The Washington Post showed that during and after Webb was in state prison, he received thousands of dollars in aid from a wealthy local businessman, Charles S. Pearce Jr. Webb said in interviews that Pearce had helped him at the behest of Jackson; Patrick C. Batchelor, the district attorney; and the county sheriff. Jackson later denied that claim, saying that any support Pearce gave “had no connection” to Webb’s testimony in the Willingham case.

But in his formal response last September to the misconduct complaint, Jackson revised his long-standing assertion that Webb had not cut any sort of deal in return for his testimony.

This time, he said that after receiving correspondence from Webb questioning his sentence, he turned to Webb’s former defense attorney, April Sikes, who had worked with Jackson as a prosecutor before joining the defense bar. Sikes “indicated to me that she believed Webb’s conviction should be a second-degree felony because he cooperated in the Willingham case,” Jackson said. He added that this was based on “her recollection of negotiations with Patrick Batchelor.”

Whether Jackson then discussed Sikes’s recollection with Batchelor is unclear. Jackson also says that Batchelor met with him prior to Willingham’s trial and “was adamant that we were not to offer Webb anything in return for his testimony.” Neither Batchelor nor Sikes responded to written questions that were sent to them by overnight mail.

Jackson said that he “was not the prosecutor responsible for the Webb case,” despite the fact that he appeared in court at Webb’s guilty plea. He was merely standing in for Batchelor on that day, he said, but “had no input into the plea agreement with Webb . . . or the drafting of the judgment.”

Legal experts say that even if Jackson did not make a deal with Webb himself and was unaware of one at the time of Willingham’s trial, he would still have been obligated to report to Willingham’s defense attorney in 1996 if he believed one had been made.

“The prosecutor’s office had a duty to disclose the agreement,” said Stephen A. Saltzburg, a professor at the George Washington University Law School. “Whenever that was discovered, it should have been disclosed.”

In his response to the bar complaint, Jackson said that he tried to help Webb get out of prison early and orchestrate his transfer back to the county jail but insisted that he had done so to try to protect Webb from unspecified threats of “murder, injury, or threats by the AB [Aryan Brotherhood] or Willingham sympathizers.” Jackson said in his response to the bar, “In my opinion this is proper conduct and certainly not evidence of a pre-trial agreement, inducement of Webb to give perjured testimony, or other wrongdoing.”

A letter that Webb said he sent to Jackson on June 24, 1996 — a signed, carbon copy of which he kept in his voluminous record of prison correspondence and provided to the Marshall Project — indicates that Jackson had promised to help Webb.

“Dear John,” Webb wrote. “Recently, as I was going over my case notes, I noticed that you had told me that the charge of aggravated robbery would be dropped, or lowered, to robbery. . . . You told me this would be done before my transfer to TDC [Texas Department of Corrections].” Webb was transferred from the Navarro County Jail to the Texas prison system in the fall of 1992.

Webb explained that prison officials were still calculating his sentence as an aggravated offender, a first-degree charge. “There may be an error in the paperwork, or in TDC’s computer and they are not following the agreement we entered,” Webb wrote.

In what appears to have been an attempt to pressure Jackson, Webb said that if Jackson could not “take care of it on your own,” Webb might file a court motion to request the adjustment — a move that might have brought his purported deal with Jackson to light as Willingham was appealing his death sentence.

Webb had written weeks earlier to the Navarro County judge who had handled his case and Willingham’s, Kenneth “Buck” Douglas, asking to be moved back to the Corsicana jail or into protective custody and writing that “the state offered me certain benefits in exchange for my testimony.”

Webb also addressed that document to Jackson. In the June letter, he went further, pressing Jackson to check whether Webb’s case file reflected a conviction for aggravated robbery and, if so, to seek a court order changing the record “to clarify any problems.”

Within three weeks after Webb’s letter, Jackson did just that: He first persuaded Douglas to enter a new judgment in Webb’s case, officially recording his conviction as second-degree robbery.

Jackson then wrote to the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, appending the judgment and saying the court order confirmed that Webb had been convicted of the lesser charge. The result was that Webb, to whom Jackson sent a copy, became immediately eligible for parole.

Webb’s letter to Jackson was never placed in the public file of Webb’s case or the district attorney’s internal file on the case, which was turned over to the nonprofit Innocence Project in response to a disclosure request.

Although Jackson declined to answer questions about whether he received Webb’s letter and what he might have done about it, in his response to the Texas bar complaint, Jackson said he sought the order from Douglas “upon the request of Johnny Webb.” Jackson also said that in July 1996, the issue of the “inconsistent judgment” was raised “most likely through letters from Webb.”

In Jackson’s response to the bar complaint, he also provided other details that seem to jibe with Webb’s account.

Jackson acknowledged that around the time Webb went off to state prison in 1992, he checked with a court clerk about Webb’s conviction and was surprised to see that the trial judgment was contradictory. It listed robbery instead of aggravated robbery as the crime to which Webb had pleaded but included the penal code for aggravated robbery nonetheless.

An undated note that was discovered in the clerk’s file of the case years later seemed to indicate that Jackson had tried to use the ambiguity in Webb’s favor: It said that if a Texas corrections official called for clarification, “tell them ROBBERY with No Deadly Weapon Used. . . . This is what John Jackson wants it to be.”

Jackson has denied that he wrote the note or asked the court clerk to put such a note in the file.

“As a matter of due process, Jackson’s alleged unawareness of the deal at the time of the trial would not matter,” said Bennett Gershman, a law professor at Pace Law School in White Plains, N.Y., and a national expert on the ethical and legal duties of prosecutors. “He still would be deemed responsible for the nondisclosure.”

Webb regrets his decision in 1992, saying that if he had refused to testify and gotten a life sentence, he probably would have been paroled after 20 years. “As it is,” Webb said, “I’m stuck in this Willingham thing for the rest of my life.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/a-dad-was-executed-for-deaths-of-his-3-girls-now-a-letter-casts-more-doubt/ar-AA9zJmD
 

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Someone give me a TL;DR version, cause all I see is a letter that had nothing to do with the case. And if the idea is that he didn't get a mistrial because of a lawyer being inappropriate then it still doesn't prove the dude was innocent. It just proves his trial was handled inappropriately. Someone clear it up for me.
 

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Someone give me a TL;DR version, cause all I see is a letter that had nothing to do with the case. And if the idea is that he didn't get a mistrial because of a lawyer being inappropriate then it still doesn't prove the dude was innocent. It just proves his trial was handled inappropriately. Someone clear it up for me.
I see it the same way. The pro death position has nothing to do with ethics problems of individuals in the system. Those incidents occured regardless of anyones individual position on the death sentence.
 

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Someone give me a TL;DR version, cause all I see is a letter that had nothing to do with the case. And if the idea is that he didn't get a mistrial because of a lawyer being inappropriate then it still doesn't prove the dude was innocent. It just proves his trial was handled inappropriately. Someone clear it up for me.
So instead of reading it for yourself and drawing your own conclusion you would rather somebody else give an opinion you can piggyback.

If I gave you my version would it matter?

This explains a lot about your arguments around here.:lol
 
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