Archer: Mel Kiper Jr. has Cowboys taking DT in first mock

[ravidubey]

Did you know the Jet's running game last year was only slightly below ours as a team? Now certainly the Jets RBs aren't shit but Chris Johnson is basically washed up and now one would call Chris Ivory a stud.

The Jets had about 120 carries from WRs and QBs. If you don't count those the stats drop over 600 fewer yards and YPC down to 4.2. The 49ers had almost as many non-RB carries and the Seahawks had more.

Besides, the running game doesn't mean much if your overall offense sucks.

NY's talent was so limited they had little choice but to keep things tight, mix in a bunch of gadget runs, and hope for a win at the end. Teams could play the Jets straight-up and still win. Jets and 49ers were #3 and #4 in rushing, but they were 20th and 22nd in total offense because their running games weren't dangerous enough to keep defenses from shutting down the passing game.

Dallas's running game forced 8 in the box and they ran on teams even then because Murray is a special player. You could take away his best run every few carries and he's still a stud. You take away Randle's best run and the rest of his carries YPC are beyond terrible. He's a once-per-game shot in the arm, then he's done.

On top of things Murray could pass protect and catch the ball very effectively. I like Chris Ivory, but he's not in Murray's league. At least not the DeMarco Murray of 2014.

 

[L.T. Fan]

The Jets had 507 rushes for 2280 yards.

They apparently didnt have a QB so to speak and had to run the ball. It was probably contributory to Ryan's demise.

 

[Clay_Allison]

They apparently didnt have a QB so to speak and had to run the ball. It was probably contributory to Ryan's demise.

Yep. That's why it's kind of odd that he would go to Buffalo, when Atlanta was supposedly interested. He's just going to have the same problems there.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The Jets didnt have a QB so they had to run it.

That's true but conversely you could say that the defense probably stacked the box.

My whole point is that you don't need this single workhorse back that everyone seems to want to use a first round pick on. Personally I can't think of anything that would be a bigger waste of resources. And yes Todd Gurley could be the next Trent Richardson. I want nothing to do with a corner in the first but I can see more value in a first round corner then a first round RB, which basically the entire NFL agree with. Not sure why some on this board are struggling to see why first round RBs are silly.

 

[ravidubey]

That's true but conversely you could say that the defense probably stacked the box.

They had about 120 non-RB runs to compensate for this. It artificially jacked up their rushing stats.

 

[Clay_Allison]

They had about 120 non-RB runs to compensate for this. It artificially jacked up their rushing stats.

Might as well have been running the Wishbone.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

They had about 120 non-RB runs to compensate for this. It artificially jacked up their rushing stats.

So teams should run more with their WR's is what your saying? Running game is a running game, I don't give a shit who is carrying the ball.

 

[ravidubey]

So teams should run more with their WR's is what your saying? Running game is a running game, I don't give a shit who is carrying the ball.

It's the reason you cited them in the first place, though, because their running game was statistically ranked so high. I'm saying their ranking is just numbers jacked up artificially by "trick" runs. Strip those away from the Jets and their numbers drop over 600 yards and 120 carries.

Of the top four running games, Seattle, Dallas, NY Jets, and 49ers only Dallas didn't have @120 or more non-RB carries.

Dallas got there straight up with only 36 carries from non-RBs (for a whole 67 yards), and almost all of these were desperation runs from QBs not by design like in NY, Seattle, or SF.

 

[L.T. Fan]

All i am trying to say is Dallas has a priemier RB and some good backups. They need to try to keep them and distribute the workload better. My position is i hope they do what is reasonable to keep Murray rather than looking around for a replacement. I would like to see a deal done. I have already said what i think is reasonable and i hope it comes about. Murray is a scarace commodity. He cannot be replaced as eazly as some think.

 

[Carp]

I'm curious to see what happens with Harris and Beasley...WR may be a need in the draft too. Not a need I guess, but I would not be mad at some top end speed added to the WRs.

 

[VA Cowboy]

I'm curious to see what happens with Harris and Beasley...WR may be a need in the draft too. Not a need I guess, but I would not be mad at some top end speed added to the WRs.

Beasley is a RFA so I think he'll be back. Harris is likely gone. I guess it depends on how much the staff likes Street. I'd say we wouldn't draft a WR before the 4th round.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Beasley is a RFA so I think he'll be back. Harris is likely gone. I guess it depends on how much the staff likes Street. I'd say we wouldn't draft a WR before the 4th round.

I think a speedy return guy could be a need after letting Harris walk. I think the staff really likes Street which is why I don't think you'll see a WR until later with a guy who could be an explosive returner.

 

[Donpingon]

I feel like we've always missed a Santana Moss/Desean Jackson type...just look at what TY Hilton has done for the Colts

 

[VA Cowboy]

I think a speedy return guy could be a need after letting Harris walk. I think the staff really likes Street which is why I don't think you'll see a WR until later with a guy who could be an explosive returner.

We will need a returner. Just hope we look for a WR who also can return kicks and not just look for a returner and hope he can play WR too.

 

[Carp]

Beasley is a RFA so I think he'll be back. Harris is likely gone. I guess it depends on how much the staff likes Street. I'd say we wouldn't draft a WR before the 4th round.

Beasley should be back...he and Romo work well together. Always have liked Harris, but Spillman kind of took his role as the top ST tackler in my eyes and his returns can be improved upon, so I am alright with him going. I like Harris though.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I'm curious to see what happens with Harris and Beasley...WR may be a need in the draft too. Not a need I guess, but I would not be mad at some top end speed added to the WRs.

Harris can and should be replaced. So far Beasley is a plus to the recieving corp. I remember having this conversation lazt year. My position was the same then.

 

[Deuce]

I'm curious to see what happens with Harris and Beasley...WR may be a need in the draft too. Not a need I guess, but I would not be mad at some top end speed added to the WRs.

Phillip Dorsett please.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Murray is a scarace commodity. He cannot be replaced as eazly as some think.

Well hell, if we are talking about using a first round pick then I'd sure as hell rather resign Murray. Of course I don't think there is any need to use a first round pick on a RB or invest big money in Murray. And just to clarify I really like Murray and I really like Gordon.

 

[Carp]

Phillip Dorsey please.

Dorsett for sure. I really love Agholor and Lippett, but they will go before I am willing to go WR. Guys like Christion Jones and Tyler Lockett...even Rashad Greene interests me.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Dorsett for sure. I really love Agholor and Lippett, but they will go before I am willing to go WR. Guys like Christion Jones and Tyler Lockett...even Rashad Greene interests me.

Lockett is a great receiver and good punt returner. He would be a good replacement for Harris but he is smaller than I prefer.