2014 College Football Chatter...

[Deuce]

I feel like if you are sitting at 5 you should STFU.

If you went to 8 teams this year you are going to have at least two 2 loss teams. There are just always going to be people on the edge who feel they deserve a shot. Maybe you go with the big 5 conference winners, then 3 wild card teams. At least 5 of the spots would have definitive standards to get in.

That's what I've said in the past I want to see.

5 auto-bids to P5 conference winners. 1 auto-bid to G5 best team (currently goes to Peach Bowl) which is given the automatic 8th seed and then 2 at large teams based on old BCS poll standards. We would basically get all the teams currently being talked about being on the bubble, plus Arizona and Northern Illinois as the low seed Cinderella's. That's good stuff.

 

[skidadl]

That's what I've said in the past I want to see.

5 auto-bids to P5 conference winners. 1 auto-bid to G5 best team (currently goes to Peach Bowl) which is given the automatic 8th seed and then 2 at large teams based on old BCS poll standards. We would basically get all the teams currently being talked about being on the bubble, plus Arizona and Northern Illinois as the low seed Cinderella's. That's good stuff.

That would be a huge improvement. I just like the idea of this:

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/d2

 

[Deuce]

That would be a huge improvement. I just like the idea of this:

http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/football/d2

I'm hesitant to go over 8 teams because you would have to go up to at least 12. If you do that, you're looking at 9-3 teams getting in. Do we want to reward teams that were just above average?

 

[Deuce]

The best part is, you can still keep the Bowls. Take the old BCS bowls and let them rotate as the semi's and Championship games. Then take the next tier of bowl games like Peach, Citrus, Chick-Fila-A, etc and make them round 1. They would probably love it since a 2/7 matchup will probably include 2 much better teams than they typically get.

 

[jeebs]

The best part is, you can still keep the Bowls. Take the old BCS bowls and let them rotate as the semi's and Championship games. Then take the next tier of bowl games like Peach, Citrus, Chick-Fila-A, etc and make them round 1. They would probably love it since a 2/7 matchup will probably include 2 much better teams than they typically get.

Great, so you get to ruin the regular season and the bowls, but in return we get 4 games, half involving two loss teams. Thanks

 

[skidadl]

I'm hesitant to go over 8 teams because you would have to go up to at least 12. If you do that, you're looking at 9-3 teams getting in. Do we want to reward teams that were just above average?

Yes. More teams. Could ole miss win a couple of games against someone else in the current top 8? Probably.

 

[Deuce]

Great, so you get to ruin the regular season and the bowls, but in return we get 4 games, half involving two loss teams. Thanks

Bowls wouldn't be ruined. Last years Peach Bowl saw a 4 loss Aggie team play in it. You tell me they wouldn't rather have better qualified teams playing for them? Plus the game itself will be more meaningful as the winner moves on.

 

[jeebs]

Bowls wouldn't be ruined. Last years Peach Bowl saw a 4 loss Aggie team play in it. You tell me they wouldn't rather have better qualified teams playing for them? Plus the game itself will be more meaningful as the winner moves on.

Why does calling the playoff game "the peach bowl" add anything to the playoff game?

 

[Deuce]

Why does calling the playoff game "the peach bowl" add anything to the playoff game?

No, adding playoff implications adds to the Peach Bowl.

 

[jeebs]

No, adding playoff implications adds to the Peach Bowl.

I don't disagree with that. I am just not willing to beggar the regular season, the rest of the bowl games, and the championship in return for improving 4 bowls.

 

[Plan9Misfit]

The best part is, you can still keep the Bowls. Take the old BCS bowls and let them rotate as the semi's and Championship games. Then take the next tier of bowl games like Peach, Citrus, Chick-Fila-A, etc and make them round 1. They would probably love it since a 2/7 matchup will probably include 2 much better teams than they typically get.

Chick-Fil-A is the Peach Bowl.

 

[Deuce]

I don't disagree with that. I am just not willing to beggar the regular season, the rest of the bowl games, and the championship in return for improving 4 bowls.

I just don't see how that happens. Regular season is still fine because there's only 2 at large bids. There isn't much more of a greater emphasis on winning your conference than that. The Championship game will never be better when someone has to win multiple games against top 10 teams to get to it and the rest of the bowl games are already meaningless to fans outside of the 2 participating teams. Anyone here care about the Bitcoin.com Bowl or the Miami Beach Bowl this year? I'm guessing I'm the only one since that's where my school is expected to be.

 

[Deuce]

Chick-Fil-A is the Peach Bowl.

I was getting it confused with Outback I think...anyhow, the playoff could include Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar and then a rotational mixture of Peach, Gator, Citrus, Liberty, Holiday, Outback and Cotton to fill out the field.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think it is possible for one of those teams to win. Teams get hot or other teams don't show up. The point is that more teams could have a legit shot at winning.

Well, I guess it could happen. but if you start to think along those lines, then where do you draw the line on how many participants you have?

We can't have 32, so someone somewhere is going to feel slighted.

Which leads me to....

If you're sitting at 9, you most definitely will have had at least 2 losses and maybe 3. As far as I'm concerned, STFU because you blew it. 1 loss teams are going to happen to elite programs because going undefeted, even in weak conferences, is extremely hard. So making room for all the 1 loss teams would be ideal, IMO. But if you do worse than that, you don't belong in the conversation.

Exactly.

That was part of the point I was trying to make earlier. Even in a 12 or 16 team playoff, you're not going to make everyone happy. But the idea is that you aren't leaving a 1 loss team or a team with a legitimate gripe for the NC out of it like we've seen so many times before.

With an 8 team playoff, you're giving all of the teams that I think legitimately deserve a shot to play for the NC a chance at getting in that game, and that's ultimately what's most important. If you are out of the top 8, then tough shit.

 

[Texas Ace]

I suppose in that system you could say that. I like the idea that a team with loses can work their way back. We've had, what, two 7 lose teams win the super bowl in the NFL?

Yea, but the NFL is a different game.

In theory, what you say makes sense, but the talent discrepancy is much bigger in college than it is the NFL.....even with big time schools. Miss St is a 2 loss team, but I don't think their talent compares at all with the likes of Alabama, FSU, Oregon, etc.

I think it's least likely to see a 7th or 8th seed get hot and make a run than it is a WC team in the NFL.

 

[Texas Ace]

[MENTION=10]Carp[/MENTION], [MENTION=12]Deuce[/MENTION], [MENTION=19]skidadl[/MENTION] - I agree with all of your ideas on standardizing the qualification guidelines.

This would help to clean up a lot of the mess while also cutting down significantly on the controversies that surround the voting. By creating a set of guidelines, it leaves little room to complain since most of your participants won't be determined by a vote system.

Also, if you're giving 5 auto bids to each P5 conference champion, then those games as well need to be standardized. In other words, let's look at TCU and Baylor who are the topic of biggest argument being made right now in regards to the playoffs. So, since there isn't a conference championship, then how does one team get crowned a conference champion over the other?

But if you you do a head to head conference championship game, then it has to make sense in regards to playoff implications. Take the SEC champ game for example. Mizzou has zero chance of making it into the playoffs, so why even have them play in it? (I'm speaking in regards to the future)

Instead of doing it this way, all conference championship games should consist of the top 2 teams in the entire conference regardless of whether they are in the west, east, north, or south division. Do it this way or don't have a championship game at all, and instead treat the conferences like the NFL treats its divisions and use the same tiebreaking system that they use in order determine a champion in the event that you have a tie.

 

[Deuce]

@Carp, @Deuce, @skidadl - I agree with all of your ideas on standardizing the qualification guidelines.

This would help to clean up a lot of the mess while also cutting down significantly on the controversies that surround the voting. By creating a set of guidelines, it leaves little room to complain since most of your participants won't be determined by a vote system.

The last change I would make would be to bring back the BCS formula. Human element is still involved, but just by a small percentage unlike the current committee style. Then the BCS rankings would be used for seeding and selecting the at large teams.

 

[skidadl]

I still say that a true tournament style deal would be cool. Do it like D2 or D3. Those divisions have been doing it fine with that system. More games, more interest, more money...it is a win win.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2 lose team get hot and win it.

 

[jeebs]

Well, I guess it could happen. but if you start to think along those lines, then where do you draw the line on how many participants you have?

We can't have 32, so someone somewhere is going to feel slighted.

Which leads me to....



Exactly.

That was part of the point I was trying to make earlier. Even in a 12 or 16 team playoff, you're not going to make everyone happy. But the idea is that you aren't leaving a 1 loss team or a team with a legitimate gripe for the NC out of it like we've seen so many times before.

With an 8 team playoff, you're giving all of the teams that I think legitimately deserve a shot to play for the NC a chance at getting in that game, and that's ultimately what's most important. If you are out of the top 8, then tough shit.

I would rather 2 deserving teams were left out of the tournament rather than let 2 undeserving teams into an expanded playoff.

If you are the 5th best team, fuck you. Playing for the title should be reserved for the top two teams, but way to often the top 2 teams can't be decided, so I am all in favor for the 4 team (to ensure the two top teams play). But I am not upset if #5 doesn't have a shot.

College football is too streaky, and has to many upsets, I don't want that in my college football national champion.

 

[skidadl]

Per footballscoop Nebraska is pushing hard for Bielema.