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Absolutely. Here's another stat.
Through five games, @KJMcDaniels is holding players he's faced to 32.5% shooting, a full 12% lower than their collective average FG%.
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Through five games, @KJMcDaniels is holding players he's faced to 32.5% shooting, a full 12% lower than their collective average FG%.
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The rich get richer!!!
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Let's hope they brought ankles for DRose.
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This is a very good day for college football but there are some damn good NBA match ups today as well.
I'm going to have to sneak away from football to catch some of the NBA action.
Golden State v. Rockets should be a lot of fun. I've got the Warriors but David Lee being out does worry me some.
I'm going to have to sneak away from football to catch some of the NBA action.
Golden State v. Rockets should be a lot of fun. I've got the Warriors but David Lee being out does worry me some.
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It's early, but the winner of this game can make the argument for being the West's best team.
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Rose is basically back, he's miles better than he was at this time last year and I think he's getting pretty close to to his level of play pre-ACL. Now he just has to stay healthy, I'm not particularly optimistic about that but we'll see.
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He's looked quite good when he's been on the court.
They need him though because Hinrich is so fucking bland. Brooks is ok but he's that sparkplug off the bench, not a starter.
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Derrick Rose is a bitch.....period.
That team has made a reputation out of being tough and physical, and a big reason for that is because of how so many if them have played while hurt, especially Noah.
So for Rose to come out and say that he's essentially saving himself for the future? What a bitch.
I would hate that guy if he were on my team.
He's soft, heartless, and selfish, and he just became one of the players I dislike the most in the NBA. He doesn't deserve those teammates.
Trade his ass to L.A. So Kobe can call him out every day and see how he likes it.
That team has made a reputation out of being tough and physical, and a big reason for that is because of how so many if them have played while hurt, especially Noah.
So for Rose to come out and say that he's essentially saving himself for the future? What a bitch.
I would hate that guy if he were on my team.
He's soft, heartless, and selfish, and he just became one of the players I dislike the most in the NBA. He doesn't deserve those teammates.
Trade his ass to L.A. So Kobe can call him out every day and see how he likes it.
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Simp still loves him unconditionally.
I'm with you, Ace. Rose is soft and selfish.
Gotta be hard for his teammates to have to play with a quitter. And after hearing this I certainly wouldn't be voting him Team Captain going forward.
I'm with you, Ace. Rose is soft and selfish.
Gotta be hard for his teammates to have to play with a quitter. And after hearing this I certainly wouldn't be voting him Team Captain going forward.
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I already thought he was soft for not even trying to play in the playoffs in 2013 when I honestly think he could have. Iman Shumpert had the same injury at the same time and was playing by February, but Rose wouldn't even try to play in the playoffs despite that entire team gutting it out.
Noah was playing on one leg, Robinson was hurt, Hinrich was hurt, Butler was hurt, and Deng was battling injuries. All of their injuries were significant enough that they all either missed games or were game time decisions each night.....but yet he wouldn't even try to play.
And now this? Noah should walk on over and have that homo a tampon.
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It would be funny as hell if his teammates left dozens of boxes of tampons in front of his locker.
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November 12, 2014, 8:52 PM
Derrick Rose declined to address reporters Wednesday, presumably to save his voice for his Basketball Hall of Fame induction speech in 2029..
That's not the real reason. And perhaps that's not entirely fair. But Rose invited such ridicule by linking his legitimate decisions to sit recent games because of two sprained ankles with his desire to one day walk without a limp at his son's high school graduation.
Rose's son, P.J., is 2.
That would make Rose approximately 41 when P.J. graduates. Most dads start saving money for college when their kids are young. Apparently, Rose is saving his body. That's fine if Rose was a middle linebacker. But a point guard?
"A lot of people don't understand that when I sit out it's not because of this year — I'm thinking long term,'' Rose said. "I'm thinking about after I'm done with basketball, having graduations to go to, having meetings to go to. I don't want to be in my meetings all sore or be at my son's graduation all sore just because of something I did in the past. Just learning and being smart."
No, it was a dumb thing to say for someone paid $18.86 million a year to play basketball. That's $230,000 per game. Some things are better left unsaid. Bulls fans making a fraction of that money per year, wearing blue and white collars to work, hardly want to hear Rose make it harder for them to relate to the kid from Englewood.
If Rose had been talking about preserving himself for the grind of the NBA playoffs instead of life after basketball, Chicago would have shrugged. Instead, Rose sounded like a spokesman for Charmin explaining his play-it-safe approach on a team full of guys like Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah who routinely risk long-term pain for short-term gain.
Rose defenders complaining about the conversation veering away from basketball again need to realize he steered it that direction. David Axelrod, a former top adviser to President Barack Obama and Bulls season-ticket holder, tweeted: "Folks should lay off @drose. He made (a) Herculean effort to get back to the @chicagobulls. And we need him healthy & strong in May and June.''
Agreed, but Rose's comments had nothing to do with May and June 2015 — and that was the issue. An experienced, effective communicator like Axelrod, come to think of it, could provide a valuable service to a point guard known to muddle the message.
The overriding message through eight games: Being wise with his body, Rose the basketball player remains on track for a starring role on a Bulls team that looks like the best in the Eastern Conference. But Rose the face of the franchise needs to stop making the city cringe so people aren't distracted from that.
Of course he is to "blame" for what he said, but he's just a young guy playing basketball, not a public official. This is "gotcha" journalism much in the manner of following electoral candidates. In today's stir-the-pot social media platform world, opportunists...
If Rose had been getting good PR advice — or any at all — he would have faced the media Wednesday and, with an air of self-deprecation and a disarming smile, chalked up the interview to a poor choice of words. Whether it was an apology or explanation, Rose missed an opportunity to close a gap with his fan base much wider than it was before injuries changed him forever.
You remember those days, when Rose was more impetuous than out of touch. Take Jan. 29, 2011, for instance — the middle of Rose's MVP season. Before the Bulls hosted the Pacers at the United Center, Rose discussed why playing through stomach ulcers during a regular-season game in the dead of winter mattered.
"It'll take a lot to get me to not play,'' Rose said then. "We're going to do anything to get this win. If that's me playing just a couple of minutes or whatever, I'm willing to do it.''
Two knee surgeries later, Rose sounds like a guy with scars to more than just both knees. Psychologically, the impact of two seasons in recovery surely affected Rose's mindset. Rose ponders life beyond basketball instinctively perhaps because bad luck since April 28, 2012, conditioned him to think in those terms.
Of course, Rose wants to feel whole to enjoy his son's milestones like any good dad. That's not necessarily the problem in his honesty. The problem was Rose lacked the savvy to understand how giving voice to those innermost thoughts would further harm his reputation. In pro sports markets like Chicago's, perception becomes reality quicker than Rose on a fast break.
Nobody knows defense like Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, so naturally the stance he took on Rose was impenetrable. Rose's teammates followed suit.
"Sometimes we all say things that we probably could say differently,'' Thibodeau said. "The bottom line is this: He was injured. He had two sprained ankles. So he did the right thing. And when he was better, he played. It's really that simple.''
Thibs is right about the bottom line but wrong about his conclusion. Nothing ever is simple with Rose. But that's the tangled web he wove for himself.
Derrick Rose declined to address reporters Wednesday, presumably to save his voice for his Basketball Hall of Fame induction speech in 2029..
That's not the real reason. And perhaps that's not entirely fair. But Rose invited such ridicule by linking his legitimate decisions to sit recent games because of two sprained ankles with his desire to one day walk without a limp at his son's high school graduation.
Rose's son, P.J., is 2.
That would make Rose approximately 41 when P.J. graduates. Most dads start saving money for college when their kids are young. Apparently, Rose is saving his body. That's fine if Rose was a middle linebacker. But a point guard?
"A lot of people don't understand that when I sit out it's not because of this year — I'm thinking long term,'' Rose said. "I'm thinking about after I'm done with basketball, having graduations to go to, having meetings to go to. I don't want to be in my meetings all sore or be at my son's graduation all sore just because of something I did in the past. Just learning and being smart."
No, it was a dumb thing to say for someone paid $18.86 million a year to play basketball. That's $230,000 per game. Some things are better left unsaid. Bulls fans making a fraction of that money per year, wearing blue and white collars to work, hardly want to hear Rose make it harder for them to relate to the kid from Englewood.
If Rose had been talking about preserving himself for the grind of the NBA playoffs instead of life after basketball, Chicago would have shrugged. Instead, Rose sounded like a spokesman for Charmin explaining his play-it-safe approach on a team full of guys like Jimmy Butler and Joakim Noah who routinely risk long-term pain for short-term gain.
Rose defenders complaining about the conversation veering away from basketball again need to realize he steered it that direction. David Axelrod, a former top adviser to President Barack Obama and Bulls season-ticket holder, tweeted: "Folks should lay off @drose. He made (a) Herculean effort to get back to the @chicagobulls. And we need him healthy & strong in May and June.''
Agreed, but Rose's comments had nothing to do with May and June 2015 — and that was the issue. An experienced, effective communicator like Axelrod, come to think of it, could provide a valuable service to a point guard known to muddle the message.
The overriding message through eight games: Being wise with his body, Rose the basketball player remains on track for a starring role on a Bulls team that looks like the best in the Eastern Conference. But Rose the face of the franchise needs to stop making the city cringe so people aren't distracted from that.
Of course he is to "blame" for what he said, but he's just a young guy playing basketball, not a public official. This is "gotcha" journalism much in the manner of following electoral candidates. In today's stir-the-pot social media platform world, opportunists...
If Rose had been getting good PR advice — or any at all — he would have faced the media Wednesday and, with an air of self-deprecation and a disarming smile, chalked up the interview to a poor choice of words. Whether it was an apology or explanation, Rose missed an opportunity to close a gap with his fan base much wider than it was before injuries changed him forever.
You remember those days, when Rose was more impetuous than out of touch. Take Jan. 29, 2011, for instance — the middle of Rose's MVP season. Before the Bulls hosted the Pacers at the United Center, Rose discussed why playing through stomach ulcers during a regular-season game in the dead of winter mattered.
"It'll take a lot to get me to not play,'' Rose said then. "We're going to do anything to get this win. If that's me playing just a couple of minutes or whatever, I'm willing to do it.''
Two knee surgeries later, Rose sounds like a guy with scars to more than just both knees. Psychologically, the impact of two seasons in recovery surely affected Rose's mindset. Rose ponders life beyond basketball instinctively perhaps because bad luck since April 28, 2012, conditioned him to think in those terms.
Of course, Rose wants to feel whole to enjoy his son's milestones like any good dad. That's not necessarily the problem in his honesty. The problem was Rose lacked the savvy to understand how giving voice to those innermost thoughts would further harm his reputation. In pro sports markets like Chicago's, perception becomes reality quicker than Rose on a fast break.
Nobody knows defense like Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau, so naturally the stance he took on Rose was impenetrable. Rose's teammates followed suit.
"Sometimes we all say things that we probably could say differently,'' Thibodeau said. "The bottom line is this: He was injured. He had two sprained ankles. So he did the right thing. And when he was better, he played. It's really that simple.''
Thibs is right about the bottom line but wrong about his conclusion. Nothing ever is simple with Rose. But that's the tangled web he wove for himself.
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Yea, imagine if the guy played football.
I'm sure he would've submitted his retirement papers by now.
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TORONTO -- After admitting on Tuesday that he was thinking about life after basketball as it pertained to his playing schedule this season, Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose says he does not understand why so many people got upset by his comments.
"No," he said before Thursday's shootaround. "No, but I could care less."
Five-time NBA All-Star Chris Webber weighs in on Derrick Rose's remarks about sitting out games and which team will represent the Eastern Conference in the NBA Finals.
After coming into this season having played just 10 games in two years, Rose spoke openly Tuesday about how he wanted to keep his long-term health intact. He didn't shy away from those comments on Thursday.
"Really, I was just being myself," he said. "As long as I'm being myself that's the only person I can be and that's about it. But as far as saying anything, blame me for thinking about the future, I'll probably think different, but that's all I was doing."
Rose admitted that it did bother him that so many people questioned whether he was fully committed to the team.
"Yeah, to a certain degree," he said. "Of course it's going to happen, but at the same time I can't do anything about it. I just got to let God handle that and just put every performance and every article behind me every day."
Rose also acknowledged that the two knee injuries have changed his perspective. He has also missed four games already this season because of two sprained ankles, but is expected to play Thursday night against the Toronto Raptors.
"Yeah, just letting me know what's real," Rose said. "As long as I'm being myself and inspiring people the way that I am and touching people the way that I am, that's all I can do, caring about myself and just being positive."
While Rose may not agree with how his comments were taken by some fans, he understands that everything he does will be put under a microscope as both a former MVP of the league, and as a player that is trying to climb his way back to an elite level after so many injuries.
"It comes with the territory," he said. "I know that I've been [in the spotlight] ever since I came into the NBA. As far as everything that comes along with my story, missing two years, of course this is going to happen so I'm not worried about it as long as I'm being myself."
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He is just trying to inspire people.
"No," he said before Thursday's shootaround. "No, but I could care less."
Five-time NBA All-Star Chris Webber weighs in on Derrick Rose's remarks about sitting out games and which team will represent the Eastern Conference in the NBA Finals.
After coming into this season having played just 10 games in two years, Rose spoke openly Tuesday about how he wanted to keep his long-term health intact. He didn't shy away from those comments on Thursday.
"Really, I was just being myself," he said. "As long as I'm being myself that's the only person I can be and that's about it. But as far as saying anything, blame me for thinking about the future, I'll probably think different, but that's all I was doing."
Rose admitted that it did bother him that so many people questioned whether he was fully committed to the team.
"Yeah, to a certain degree," he said. "Of course it's going to happen, but at the same time I can't do anything about it. I just got to let God handle that and just put every performance and every article behind me every day."
Rose also acknowledged that the two knee injuries have changed his perspective. He has also missed four games already this season because of two sprained ankles, but is expected to play Thursday night against the Toronto Raptors.
"Yeah, just letting me know what's real," Rose said. "As long as I'm being myself and inspiring people the way that I am and touching people the way that I am, that's all I can do, caring about myself and just being positive."
While Rose may not agree with how his comments were taken by some fans, he understands that everything he does will be put under a microscope as both a former MVP of the league, and as a player that is trying to climb his way back to an elite level after so many injuries.
"It comes with the territory," he said. "I know that I've been [in the spotlight] ever since I came into the NBA. As far as everything that comes along with my story, missing two years, of course this is going to happen so I'm not worried about it as long as I'm being myself."
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He is just trying to inspire people.
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What a bitch that guy is.
From his health issues to his faggy attitude, to not wanting to help recruit anyone, the guy is just a straight douche.
Sorry Simp, but he alone almost makes me want to see the Bulls fail, which is a shame because I admire that team.
From his health issues to his faggy attitude, to not wanting to help recruit anyone, the guy is just a straight douche.
Sorry Simp, but he alone almost makes me want to see the Bulls fail, which is a shame because I admire that team.