Sturm: Garrett Overview - 6 Years of Data

[VA Cowboy]

Rex? Really?

 

[skidadl]

Garrett is very intelligent. That's not the question at all. I think his problem is that he's too rigid and he lacks creativity… He's more of a methodical coach. Making adjustments is not his strength either. Having said all that I'm quite certain that if given a real offensive line his the type of coaching can succeed.

I would say that in terms of game day coaching and game planning he is equal to Parcells. Parcells was not an elite game day coach in my opinion. His strength was more on building a team as a whole. He was a master at that. Sure Garrett is not elite but neither is anyone else that Jerry is going to bring it.

 

[Deuce]

Parcells might not have been an elite gameday coach, but he wasn't below average which is what I equate Garrett to.

Poor adjustments, poor play calling and needing his assistants to call timeouts or tell him to challenge plays too many times.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Game management for Garrett has been atrocious. Game-planning, or at least sticking to it has been poor. Always errors on the side of the pass. Abandons the run at first sign of trouble. Obviously OL horrible the last couple of years but he's been pass happy from day 1.

 

[skidadl]

I would abandon the run too if I was working with that OL.

 

[VA Cowboy]

But like I said, it wasn't just the last year or two that he went pass happy.

 

[NoDak]

Well just as soon as everyone else says that there is no possible way for them to know that Garrett ISN'T better than Lovie Smith, I'll do the same. They don't know it any more certainly than I do yet they seem to be saying things in absolutes.

People are going off things Smith HAS accomplished in the past. You are going off wishes and hopes for Garrett. Certainly not anything he has already shown. Big difference.

 

[NoDak]

Garrett is very intelligent. That's not the question at all. I think his problem is that he's too rigid and he lacks creativity… He's more of a methodical coach. Making adjustments is not his strength either. Having said all that I'm quite certain that if given a real offensive line his the type of coaching can succeed.

I would say that in terms of game day coaching and game planning he is equal to Parcells. Parcells was not an elite game day coach in my opinion. His strength was more on building a team as a whole. He was a master at that. Sure Garrett is not elite but neither is anyone else that Jerry is going to bring it.

I actually like Garrett. And I do think he could be a good coach. But watching people anoint him already, and make excuses for him is funny. Normally smart people lose any common sense they have when trying to defend him.

 

[BipolarFuk]

There is little doubt in my mind the next HC here will have to be a Tampa 2 guy.

Lovie or Gruden at the top of Jerrah's list most likely.

I'd throw in the dark horse of pulling Dungy out of retirement also.

 

[Smitty]

Garrett is very intelligent. That's not the question at all. I think his problem is that he's too rigid and he lacks creativity… He's more of a methodical coach. Making adjustments is not his strength either. Having said all that I'm quite certain that if given a real offensive line his the type of coaching can succeed.

I think that's pretty much exactly what I have said multiple times now. I agree his flaw is that he can't adjust his gameplan in a way to make it work with this personnel. But that is the case for 4/5ths of the coaches in this league.

 

[Smitty]

But like I said, it wasn't just the last year or two that he went pass happy.

Well he'll always be pass happy. But back in 2007 it was simply pass-heavy, not pass-exclusive. There is nothing wrong with pass heavy if it's working and you have some balance with the run.

 

[VA Cowboy]

We hired Wade mainly because we just HAD to have a 3-4 HC. Next we're going to have to hire a HC willing to take on Kiffin/Marinelli. Absolutely ludicrous the crap Jerry does.

 

[Smitty]

People are going off things Smith HAS accomplished in the past. You are going off wishes and hopes for Garrett. Certainly not anything he has already shown. Big difference.

But I'm not saying that Garrett should be considered equal to Smith in past accomplishments.

I am more saying that I do not think Smith's accomplishments from 6 years ago are a good predictor of how his next coaching stop will be. There is no way to say Lovie Smith was more than a very, very average head coach the last 6 seasons. He had 1 playoff appearance out of the past 6 years. The rest of the time he hovered around the 8-8 mark. If that is the time period you are looking at, I see no reason to say that is a better coaching job than what Garrett has done. I'm saying Garrett's last two years are roughly equivalent to the last 6 years of Lovie Smith's term in Chicago. It's not like I'm cherry picking Smith's resume... that's more years than not, Lovie Smith has been average.

You can't simply "erase" Smith's past accomplishments, but a 6 year streak of mediocrity interrupted by 1 playoff appearance calls into serious doubt his ability to replicate his 2006 coaching performance.

And frankly.... I don't particularly think he did any kind of masterful job in 2006 to begin with, I think the Bears D just got hot and they rode that to a playoff win streak. I mean, better than we've seen around here, but not exactly the model I want to build after.

 

[Deuce]

I don't think the next HC has to be a Tampa 2 guy. I can easily see an offensive guy who doesn't care what D is run and is willing to keep the staff intact.

In short, welcome home, Norval.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And frankly.... I don't particularly think he did any kind of masterful job in 2006 to begin with, I think the Bears D just got hot and they rode that to a playoff win streak. I mean, better than we've seen around here, but not exactly the model I want to build after.

All your bitching about our offensive line making it possible to win in this league and Lovie has proven he can do it with basically no offense at all. Not saying I want Lovie, but if there is anyone that can deal with our team's retarded concept of talent on offense, it is a dude that builds defense that can carry franchises.

 

[Clay_Allison]

It's funny how Smitty dismisses Lovie Smith's actual accomplishments in favor of the "feel" he has for Jason Garrett. Going with your gut over actual evidence is how Jerry operates and it's why he makes poor coaching hires like Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, and Dave Campo.

 

[Smitty]

It's funny how Smitty dismisses Lovie Smith's actual accomplishments in favor of the "feel" he has for Jason Garrett. Going with your gut over actual evidence is how Jerry operates and it's why he makes poor coaching hires like Jason Garrett, Wade Phillips, and Dave Campo.

They aren't dismissed. He hasn't done anything in 6 years.

Funny how you have no tolerance for Garrett after two 8-8 seasons but you think Lovie is an upgrade when his track record in that time is not good at all.

 

[Smitty]

All your bitching about our offensive line making it possible to win in this league and Lovie has proven he can do it with basically no offense at all. Not saying I want Lovie, but if there is anyone that can deal with our team's retarded concept of talent on offense, it is a dude that builds defense that can carry franchises.

He hasn't done that though. The Bears have gone to the playoffs once in 6 years. That defense is not "carrying" that franchise anywhere.

 

[NoDak]

Gingernuts

I didn't know where else to put it. Figured in a garrett/schmitty thread was as good a place as any.

 

[Cotton]

Greatness.