NBA Chatter Thread

[Simpleton]

Sour grapes. Again, next off season the Knicks will have a ton of cap space. Amare and Bargnani are off the books. And unlike Chicago guys will got to NYC and MSG to play. They will not be a shit team for long.

Yea, I'm sure guys will flock there, that's why they've won so much over the last 50 years.

 

[Texas Ace]

http://grantland.com/features/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-legacy/

Great article.

The one he wrote about why Lebron went back to Cleveland was excellent too.

The stuff about Jordan was particularly interesting.

 

[Tony D]

Yea, I'm sure guys will flock there, that's why they've won so much over the last 50 years.

We'll see. I'm sure more guys will flock there than Chicago the last few years. At the end of the day New York City is still New York City.

 

[Simpleton]

The one he wrote about why Lebron went back to Cleveland was excellent too.

The stuff about Jordan was particularly interesting.

It was very good, and while I like that he is going back home I don't believe for a second that he would be doing this if Cleveland didn't have a very good young player in Irving and a number 1 pick who oozes potential in Wiggins, not to mention the flexibility to possibly trade for Love.

It's the second time that he decided to move to greener pastures once the going got tough and I think he knew that going back to Cleveland was not only a good basketball move, but the best PR move possible. If he had went to a team like Phoenix or whoever the story would be about him abandoning his team again when things got tough, instead the story is about him going back home.

And that's fine really, I think he also knows that in a few years he will start slowing down and he wants to mold a guy like Wiggins to potentially carry him through, kind of like Robinson and Duncan, and if that's the case I think it's pretty cool.

But I'm not going to be blinded by this "dying to go home" bullshit, there's a reason he only signed a 2 year deal and there's no way he'd be doing this if Cleveland had a roster in shambles.

 

[Simpleton]

We'll see. I'm sure more guys will flock there than Chicago the last few years. At the end of the day New York City is still New York City.

We will see, looking at the list of possible free agents I expect most of them to not even hit free agency. They may be able to grab a guy like Gasol but it will surely take the max to attract a guy like that to a team that probably wins about 35 games this year. With Melo making upwards of 25 and another good but not elite player getting paid the max I can't see them winning anything.

If Melo really was all about NYC, winning for his hometown, blah, blah, blah, he'd have taken about 18-20 million a year, but he isn't, he's about his money and winning comes 2nd.

 

[Jiggyfly]

It was very good, and while I like that he is going back home I don't believe for a second that he would be doing this if Cleveland didn't have a very good young player in Irving and a number 1 pick who oozes potential in Wiggins, not to mention the flexibility to possibly trade for Love.

It's the second time that he decided to move to greener pastures once the going got tough and I think he knew that going back to Cleveland was not only a good basketball move, but the best PR move possible. If he had went to a team like Phoenix or whoever the story would be about him abandoning his team again when things got tough, instead the story is about him going back home.

And that's fine really, I think he also knows that in a few years he will start slowing down and he wants to mold a guy like Wiggins to potentially carry him through, kind of like Robinson and Duncan, and if that's the case I think it's pretty cool.

But I'm not going to be blinded by this "dying to go home" bullshit, there's a reason he only signed a 2 year deal and there's no way he'd be doing this if Cleveland had a roster in shambles.

He signed a 2 year deal because everybody expects the cap to go up to 80 million in 2 years.

 

[Texas Ace]

I agree about Melo.

It's all about the money for him which is sad because as Simmons' story states, it would have been fun to see him on a real team.

The Knicks aren't winning shit while he's still in his prime.

 

[Simpleton]

I agree about Melo.

It's all about the money for him which is sad because as Simmons' story states, it would have been fun to see him on a real team.

The Knicks aren't winning shit while he's still in his prime.

Yea, I liked his comparison of Dirk on the 2011 Mavs, saying that Carmelo can do alot of what Dirk did but he needs a team around him to make up for his deficiencies. Kind of goes back to what I was saying about the Bulls making up for what Melo doesn't do well and vice versa, but even if he had went to Houston or whoever at least it would've been him legitimately trying to win.

Going back to NY is nothing but a money grab and anybody who says otherwise is dense as a brick wall.

 

[Simpleton]

He signed a 2 year deal because everybody expects the cap to go up to 80 million in 2 years.

Yes, also to give himself an out and to keep pressure on the organization to make the kinds of moves that he wants.

 

[Simpleton]

As an aside, McDermott had another impressive SL game. I'm not one to get particularly excited about SL but we all know his shooting will translate so it's exciting to see that right off the bat. It's crazy how he sets up 2-3 feet behind the line without thinking twice and consistently hits them.

 

[Carp]

I agree about Melo.

It's all about the money for him which is sad because as Simmons' story states, it would have been fun to see him on a real team.

The Knicks aren't winning shit while he's still in his prime.

The Knicks will be better and I do think Jackson will do his best to get players. Calderon was a big add for them too.

The fact of the matter is that he would have had to leave 50 mil on the table to sign elsewhere...not sure if anyone would not take that deal.

 

[Carp]

Yea, I'm sure guys will flock there, that's why they've won so much over the last 50 years.

Players always talk about MSG and winning there is like no other place. It is a draw for sure.

 

[1bigfan13]

Yes, also to give himself an out and to keep pressure on the organization to make the kinds of moves that he wants.

There's no way in hell that Lebron leaves Cleveland again. Not after that letter.

He'd be nuked by everyone. If he left again it would by worse than the decision.....BY FAR.

As Jiggy mentioned the only reason he's on a 2 year deal is because of the cap increasing in a couple of years. It's purely salary cap/new TV deal related. Not about tightening the screws on the Cavs front office to make roster moves.

 

[Carp]

There's no way in hell that Lebron leaves Cleveland again. Not after that letter.

He'd be nuked by everyone. If he left again it would by worse than the decision.....BY FAR.

As Jiggy mentioned the only reason he's on a 2 year deal is because of the cap increasing in a couple of years. It's purely salary cap/new TV deal related. Not about tightening the screws on the Cavs front office to make roster moves.

Yep...the max salary is going to increase...he is not leaving.

 

[1bigfan13]

The Knicks will be better and I do think Jackson will do his best to get players. Calderon was a big add for them too.

The fact of the matter is that he would have had to leave 50 mil on the table to sign elsewhere...not sure if anyone would not take that deal.

Exactly. I can't fault him for that.

Winning a title is important but I'm not giving up $50 mil to do so. Since it's not our money, it's easy for us to say he should have signed elsewhere so that he has a better chance to win.

Also, would you leave $50 mil on the table and roll the dice that Derrick Rose will actually stay healthy? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't bet a month's salary that Rose will last an entire season let alone $50 mil.

Then you also have to realize that even if you take the pay cut and go to Chicago there's no guarantee that you win a title. The West is still stacked and you still have a couple of strong teams at the top of the East.

I have no problem with Melo's decision.

 

[Carp]

The biggest complainers about Melo are a Rockets fan and the Bulls fans...so there is that.

 

[Smitty]

Yea, I'm sure guys will flock there, that's why they've won so much over the last 50 years.

Gsm

 

[Smitty]

FWIW, I actually would leave $50 million on the table. Because it's not actually $50 million. The total difference in Carmelo Anthony's career earnings, after endorsements and all other sources of income, and taking into account taxes, will be something like 350 million versus 390 million.

It sounds like sour grapes because I'm a Bulls fan and my team just missed out on Carmelo Anthony, but I actually do believe this. The difference between that much money is simply negligible. At that point the ring would be more fulfilling in my life than the extra $40 million.

Also, keep in mind that Carmelo Anthony is now locked into that contract the next five years. The bulls offered him the chance to get out after two years when the cap shoots up. So he would've recouped some of that money.

Final point. The health of Rose is a bonus, not definitive. Even without Derrick Rose, the Bulls are a much better contender than the New York Knicks.

 

[Deuce]

Gsm

Not really. Guys do flock there, they just made bad choices. Amare used to be great, but in NY he wasn't. Chandler was supposed to be the rim protector they needed, he wasn't. With all the space they have, they'll make waves.

Them sucking forever is just wishful thinking on parts of fans of teams who are their rivals.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think the Mavs are gonna be solid this year.

I think 6th seed with maybe even a 5th if they get some lucky bounces here and there.

Either way, we won't be fighting just to make the 8th seed this time around.