Hypothetical Question: Post-Romo

[boozeman]

Further correction. Aikman was earmarked before Landry left. It was a follow through with the Jones era.

Yep.

Landry showed up at the Cotton Bowl practices UCLA was having at Texas Stadium and there was a big deal.

There was also a play where Aikman got his knee submarined and Verne Lundquist was talking about the entire city of Dallas gasping.

He was about as sure to be a Cowboy as could be. That Mandarich talk was BS.

 

[data]

And Jerruh was glad he followed through after he saw Aikman in the shower.

 

[data]

I wonder if a Phil type poll is in order here.

Maybe I should Tony Banks as an option. He is one of life's unanswered question as a Cowboys fan.

 

[NoDak]

Further correction. Aikman was earmarked before Landry left. It was a follow through with the Jones era.

And? I wasn't saying it was some kind of genius move only Jimmy would have done. Only that he was the one in charge of the roster being built at the time, in response to ravi saying Jerry had taken him in the first, like it set some kind of precedent.

 

[L.T. Fan]

And? I wasn't saying it was some kind of genius move only Jimmy would have done. Only that he was the one in charge of the roster being built at the time, in response to ravi saying Jerry had taken him in the first, like it set some kind of precedent.

My point was that Johnson didn't even have Aikman on his radar ever. He was honed in on Walsh being the QB for Dallas.

 

[NoDak]

My point was that Johnson didn't even have Aikman on his radar ever. He was honed in on Walsh being the QB for Dallas.

Ok. I have no idea why it is you feel you need to argue this point with me. I haven't said anything regarding this either way. I'm not saying WHY Aikman was drafted. Or WHY Walsh was drafted. Only that Jimmy was in charge of the roster at the time. Here ya go, check this out...

Jones drafted Troy Aikman and Steve Walsh with first round picks, so there definitely is precedent.

And that is all I was responding to. That Jerry did not make those picks. That there is NO precedent already set for Jerry taking 1st round QBs as was claimed by Ravi.

Not to mention, that was 25 years ago... Some precedent.

 

[ravidubey]

Bottom line was Jones' name was on the draft card for both Aikman and Walsh no matter who recommended it. Jones is, was and until the day he croaks ever shall be the guy who actually drafts the players.

Jones understands the commitment it takes to develop a QB and will not draft one in any high round if he already has a long term starter in place. There is no real evidence that he would not draft a QB in the 1st round if there is a need.

In fact, the years he really could have done so in 04 and 05, his well-respected head coach requested RB and defensive front players instead. Wouldn't it have been nice to have drafted Rodgers instead of Spears?

Anyway, there will be no 1st (or 2nd-3rd) round QB while Tony Romo is the long term starter.

 

[Cotton]

I think the Hutchinson/Henson/Leaf/Wright/Stoerner/Testaverde days are plenty of proof that he won't draft a QB high even when there is a glaring need.

 

[data]

I think the Hutchinson/Henson/Leaf/Wright/Stoerner/Testaverde days are plenty of proof that he won't draft a QB high even when there is a glaring need.

You forgot Anthony Wright and Randall Cunningham.

 

[Rev]

Bryce Petty.


Have to hold out hope that the drafting philosophy has changed after taking 3 offensive linemen in the first round.

 

[NoDak]

Bottom line was Jones' name was on the draft card for both Aikman and Walsh no matter who recommended it. Jones is, was and until the day he croaks ever shall be the guy who actually drafts the players.

Oh, his name was on the card you say? BFD. If you're somehow trying to say that he had actual input to who those players were to be, you've lost your mind. Maybe once Jimmy left, but certainly not while he was here.

Anyway, there will be no 1st (or 2nd-3rd) round QB while Tony Romo is the long term starter.

Wait, what? I thought there was "definitely a precedent."

 

[ravidubey]

I think the Hutchinson/Henson/Leaf/Wright/Stoerner/Testaverde days are plenty of proof that he won't draft a QB high even when there is a glaring need.

He drafted Carter in the 2nd round of 2001, the offseason following Aikman's departure. The Cowboys didn't have a 1st rounder that year.

Carter had issues and was released after the 2004 draft, but had been the Cowboys' starter in the 2003 playoffs. In the 2004 draft, Jones had thought Parcells had rejuvenated Carter's career and was focused on improving other areas of the team-- a playoff team.

1989-2000: Aikman starting, hurt first game of 2000
2001: Drafted Carter
2002-2003: Not ready to give up on Carter, but took a chance on Hutchinson with no pick
2003: Believed Carter or Hutchinson was the guy, and with Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Ragone, et al the QB class after Palmer was worse.
2004- Believed Carter was a playoff QB, though took a chance on Henson

Carter was released in August 2004.

So we're really talking about 2005, and that year Parcells demanded the rebuilding of the defensive front. I think Payton and Parcells had faith in Romo and Bledsoe for the long and short term, and it's been legitimately all-Romo since.

 

[ravidubey]

Wait, what? I thought there was "definitely a precedent."

Not with a long term starter in place. Dallas had no such guy in 1989 when they drafted both Aikman and Walsh.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Ok. I have no idea why it is you feel you need to argue this point with me. I haven't said anything regarding this either way. I'm not saying WHY Aikman was drafted. Or WHY Walsh was drafted. Only that Jimmy was in charge of the roster at the time. Here ya go, check this out...



And that is all I was responding to. That Jerry did not make those picks. That there is NO precedent already set for Jerry taking 1st round QBs as was claimed by Ravi.

Not to mention, that was 25 years ago... Some precedent.

No argument from me. Just a comment.

 

[Cotton]

You forgot Anthony Wright and Randall Cunningham.

Wright is in there. I did miss Cunningham, though.

 

[Cotton]

He drafted Carter in the 2nd round of 2001, the offseason following Aikman's departure. The Cowboys didn't have a 1st rounder that year.

Carter had issues and was released after the 2004 draft, but had been the Cowboys' starter in the 2003 playoffs. In the 2004 draft, Jones had thought Parcells had rejuvenated Carter's career and was focused on improving other areas of the team-- a playoff team.

1989-2000: Aikman starting, hurt first game of 2000
2001: Drafted Carter
2002-2003: Not ready to give up on Carter, but took a chance on Hutchinson with no pick
2003: Believed Carter or Hutchinson was the guy, and with Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Ragone, et al the QB class after Palmer was worse.
2004- Believed Carter was a playoff QB, though took a chance on Henson

Carter was released in August 2004.

So we're really talking about 2005, and that year Parcells demanded the rebuilding of the defensive front. I think Payton and Parcells had faith in Romo and Bledsoe for the long and short term, and it's been legitimately all-Romo since.

Dude, there is absolutely no way to excuse Jerry's horrific history with QB's. None.

 

[ravidubey]

Dude, there is absolutely no way to excuse Jerry's horrific history with QB's. None.

I'm not excusing it. I'm saying if there is no projected long term starting QB on the roster that he would be as open to a 1st round QB as anyone.

The only reason he didn't draft Manziel just two months ago is because Romo is on the roster. Has everyone just forgotten?

 

[NoDak]

Could you link us to the story that shows us it was the only reason? I must have missed it.

Thanks.

 

[Cotton]

I'm not excusing it. I'm saying if there is no projected long term starting QB on the roster that he would be as open to a 1st round QB as anyone.

The only reason he didn't draft Manziel just two months ago is because Romo is on the roster. Has everyone just forgotten?

History has proven otherwise.

 

[Rev]

I'm not excusing it. I'm saying if there is no projected long term starting QB on the roster that he would be as open to a 1st round QB as anyone.

The only reason he didn't draft Manziel just two months ago is because Romo is on the roster. Has everyone just forgotten?

There was talk that he had to be talked out of Manziel so not really sure Romo was the reason.