2013 NFL Draft Chatter Thread--25-27 Apr

[Tony D]

We have 3 of the next 49 picks

 

[Deuce]

Can somebody please explain to me what in the flying fuck the Jets are going to do with Sheldon Richardson running a 3-4?

They have Coples and Wilkerson both playing at a very high level at DE in that defense, so where is Richardson going to play?

OLB? NT?

Nope.

Retarded pick.

I think Wilkerson could hold up at NT.

 

[Rev]

I will take Frederick and a third over Floyd. Would of liked to have had more for that move down but at least they made the correct choice in moving down.

 

[BipolarFuk]

 

[BipolarFuk]

Pete Prisco had this guy going 24 to the Colts in his final mock if that is any consolation to anyone.

 

[Deuce]

He's Channing Tatum with an epic beard. What's not to love?

 

[VA Cowboy]

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Jerry is so predictable.

 

[Smitty]

Pete Prisco had this guy going 24 to the Colts in his final mock if that is any consolation to anyone.

After thinking about it last night, this is my take on what probably happened.

The Cowboys got caught flat footed. Again. They were probably hoping that one of the OLs would last since OLs generally DO tend to fall, or in the alternative, at least Richardson (the "quick twitch" DT Jerry referenced) or very possibly even Vaccaro. They were quiet on him, but he went so soon ahead of them it might explain their next trade.

Since they had been expecting a guy they liked to be there, and had probably been expecting to stay put and take him, when Richardson and Vaccaro went off the board fairly late in the process, they hadn't been adequately working the phones to map out a trade down. So now at this point, late in the game, they've either gotta stick to their boards or they've gotta make an emergency trade down.

Sticking to their board means taking Floyd at this point, who apparently at least Jerry doesn't love (though clearly Ciskowski did -- probably Jerry apologists will say Jerry "listened to his coaches" in Kiffin, trying to find Kiffin a quick twitch prototype, and Floyd wasn't it). So Jerry overrules the Scout and possibly Jason Garrett and says to move down because he determines that Floyd isn't a fit for Kiffin.

I say this must be the case, because they admitted they had 19 first round grades on their board, and they were at pick 18. So there were still 2 players left with first round grades on the board, someone made an executive call not to take a first-round graded player at the 18th pick. Given Ciskowski's opposition to trading, I'm guessing Jerry made this call.

The thought process probably was, "We'll move down to the bottom of the round before the run on 2nd round OLs starts and we'll get our pick of them there." My guess? They were probably eyeballing Pugh, who they were rumored to love.

But since they don't have a lot of time to work the phones now, they kinda have to take the best offer out there. Apparently some other team also had a deal on the table for them and backed out. This is now screwing Jerry Jones because he's got a scout who wants to stay and take Floyd, but he's trying to max out the value for that pick now that all his elite players are gone, minus the one he has probably determined doesn't fit Kiffin.

So now Jerry takes a bad deal to try to salvage what is growing into a disaster. He doesn't do a horrible job -- a third rounder to move down that far is not the end of the world. I will take it in this draft knowing I didn't win the trade, but not feeling like I got robbed either.

Then, as I said, Pugh and Long go in the next two picks. I was shocked to see those picks go there and I bet the Cowboys were too. I guess that is the decision they thought they were making -- Floyd, or Pugh and a third. And they took Pugh and a third and then he wasn't there.

Now Frederick... he was a second rounder in most people's eyes. I'm guessing the team saw him that way too.

But I will give them this credit. He probably was one of their top 2nd rounders or indeed THE top 2nd round grade. Instead of getting cute and trying to trade down again to 40 and "match their grade on the player with the right pick" they just sat there at 31 and made the pick. So what they did is, properly identify that there was a run on OLs, and properly identify that they had a good player available to them, and instead of continuing to get cute to try to maximize value, they should just get the player in hand, even if early.

I can live with that decision.

They tried to line up value on with pick spot on Max Unger in 2009 and it backfired. Would Frederick have been an A pick at 45? Absolutely. But if they move down to 40 and tried to wait for him there, and then he went at 38, we'd be left holding the bag AGAIN.

Take the guy now and cut your losses. We can salvage this with a good draft still.

 

[Carp]

Flatfooted is Schmitty's new catch phrase.

 

[ravidubey]

I will take Frederick and a third over Floyd. Would of liked to have had more for that move down but at least they made the correct choice in moving down.

Given the reaches for OL after 18, the extra 3rd makes a big difference.

 

[Carp]

I know there is some hand wringing over not taking Floyd, but there was a large group of us asking why he was rated so highly. I never got it. Not going to say I had Frederick going in the first either, but I do think this guy will be a player, we just took him too high. Also, clearly they did not think the OL was fine, I don't think they are finished there either, so I am glad they at least recognize interior line as an issue.

 

[2233boys]

Fing homers you make me sick.

 

[Angrymesscan]

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Jerry is so predictable.

This is the best of the worst case scenario, although I don't love the pick they got a big ugly which is what I wanted, maybe even the best that was left. At 18 all the guys I liked were gone (I think Floyd isa Spears) so trading back was the right thing to do imo and looking at what Atlanta gave the trade seems fairish. You even mention the fact that the 2nd and 3rd's have increased value in this draft. So I can't bitch and moan...

 

[Carp]

I do think that Warford could be there when we come around...same with Cyprien, Short, Swearinger, and Carradine. Also, it will be pretty interesting if Lacy is still on the board when we come up at 47.

 

[ravidubey]

Yeah, well, Elam is gone already, he went to Baltimore.

But I agree, Frederick's speed and athleticism problems are overrated.

What I really like his his smarts. That Milwaukee paper claimed he might be the smartest in the draft. We really, really could use that.

What I find unreal is that a slow 40 time can know a fricking offensive lineman out of the first round entirely. One team had him 25-40 and after the 40 time said they totally changed their minds.

WGAS how well this guy can chase down a fumble? Seriously, THAT cost him an entire round grade?

 

[Carp]

Jesse Williams is another guy I am intersted in...thought he would go to the Colts.

 

[BipolarFuk]

By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
April 26, 2013 2:27 am ET

With the first day of the draft in the books, our attention shifts to Friday and the second round of the 2013 NFL Draft. Below is a look at how the second round might shake out:

33. Jacksonville – Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
34. San Francisco (KC) – Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama
35. Philadelphia – Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
36. Detroit – Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State
37. Cincinnati (OAK) – Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State
38. Arizona – Matt Barkley, QB, Southern Cal
Cleveland (exercised pick in Supplemental pick)
39. New York Jets – Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
40. Tennessee – Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
41. Buffalo – Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
42. Oakland (MIA) – Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame
43. Tampa Bay – Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
44. Carolina – Keenan Allen, WR, California
New Orleans (forfeits pick)
45. San Diego – Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
46. Buffalo (STL) – Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
47. Dallas – Johnathan Cyprien, S, Florida International
48. Pittsburgh – Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
49. New York Giants – Sio Moore, OLB, Connecticut
50. Chicago – Arthur Brown, OLB, Kansas State
51. Washington – Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn
52. New England (MIN) – Robert Woods, WR, Southern Cal
53. Cincinnati – Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
54. Miami (IND) – Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State
55. Green Bay – David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado
56. Seattle – Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
57. Houston – Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
58. Denver – Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
59. New England – Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
60. Atlanta – Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
61. San Francisco – Robert Alford, CB, SE Louisiana
62. Baltimore – Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech

 

[VA Cowboy]

I do think that Warford could be there when we come around...same with Cyprien, Short, Swearinger, and Carradine. Also, it will be pretty interesting if Lacy is still on the board when we come up at 47.

If we're looking to predict players at 47 we should be scouting 3rd/4th round talent.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Jesse Williams is another guy I am intersted in...thought he would go to the Colts.

Question: Would Jesse Williams be in play for the cowboys or is he more of a NT in a 3-4?” - @BryanBroaddus Believe he has knee issues

 

[Smitty]

Getting Cyprien there would be great. And it looks like it leaves Warford on the board for maybe even the third round. That'd be a big score.