very true.Can't discuss this year's draft until 3 years down the road. Can't discuss the 2011 draft because it's water under the bridge.
Who said you can't discuss the draft? All I said is for me I see no point in lamenting over what has already been done. You guys can discuss it all you want.Can't discuss this year's draft until 3 years down the road. Can't discuss the 2011 draft because it's water under the bridge.
And yet again you bring nothing to the conversation except for being a douchebag.LT is set in his ways.
He's not a dipshit.
That may very well be valid, I'm just saying you can't know when you haven't even see him in a single practice. But some people make statements with such certainty that this was a bad pick or that was a bad pick when it hasn't even had a chance to play out.If Hitchens was picked as late as Brady was this wouldn't be an issue
And yet again you bring nothing to the conversation except for being a douchebag.
He may very well turn out to be decent though he looks like a st/career backup to me, that he was drafted based on our mid round drafting strategy of whichever coordinator yells the loudest is the stigma that's attached to him though fair or notThat may very well be valid, I'm just saying you can't know when you haven't even see him in a single practice. But some people make statements with such certainty that this was a bad pick or that was a bad pick when it hasn't even had a chance to play out.
If the guy ends up being a 16 game stater that makes All Pro, it was a good pick no matter where it was acquired.
I will say this though, some people get way too wrapped up in draft magazines and Mel Kiper's ratings. We see a bunch of draft sites rating a guy as a sixth or seventh round pick and we all immediately freak out like he is a huge reach in the fourth. What we need to understand are those draft sites aren't even close to accurate depictions of any individual teams draft boards. Half the NFL will have a guy rated as a third round pick and the other half may have the same player as a UDFA.That explains it. You'd obviously have no problem if they just picked names out of a hat. That's cool. But some of us realize that draft should be about rating the players and selecting the best ones first. But hey, why fret over details.
Yep. Like somebody mentioned earlier, people would have been perfectly happy if we had taken guys like Jackson Jeffcoat or Kelcy Quarles in the 3rd or 4th. Hell, I was one of them. Mainly because of what we read about them from so-called draft experts in the months leading up to it. Certainly not because we scouted them like it was our jobs. But the people that count, the 32 teams, didn't agree with us. But that will easily be forgotten...I will say this though, some people get way too wrapped up in draft magazines and Mel Kiper's ratings. We see a bunch of draft sites rating a guy as a sixth or seventh round pick and we all immediately freak out like he is a huge reach in the fourth. What we need to understand are those draft sites aren't even close to accurate depictions of any individual teams draft boards. Half the NFL will have a guy rated as a third round pick and the other half may have the same player as a UDFA.
Not saying that I expected Hitchens to go in the fourth round but I'm also not going to say he was going to go undrafted simply because Mel Kiper had him rated there. In recent history Dallas has done a pretty good job rating LBers. So if Dallas gave the guy a third round rating and took him in the fourth I'm completely ok with it. Now if we gave him a fifth round rating we have problems.
Yep..that's been the case ever since I first began posting on the net over 15 years ago. Its always either too early to judge or its "beating a dead horse. "Can't discuss this year's draft until 3 years down the road. Can't discuss the 2011 draft because it's water under the bridge.
I would agree that the Cowboys know more than every other draft expert/prognosticator if these types of discrepancies have historically proven the Cowboys to be right. But Ive seen too many Stanbacks, AOA's, Arkins, Brewsters, etc etc over the last 20 years to where we dont deserve the benefit of the doubt when a player is taken 2+ rounds higher than the overwhelming consensus has him rated.jI will say this though, some people get way too wrapped up in draft magazines and Mel Kiper's ratings. We see a bunch of draft sites rating a guy as a sixth or seventh round pick and we all immediately freak out like he is a huge reach in the fourth. What we need to understand are those draft sites aren't even close to accurate depictions of any individual teams draft boards. Half the NFL will have a guy rated as a third round pick and the other half may have the same player as a UDFA.
Not saying that I expected Hitchens to go in the fourth round but I'm also not going to say he was going to go undrafted simply because Mel Kiper had him rated there. In recent history Dallas has done a pretty good job rating LBers. So if Dallas gave the guy a third round rating and took him in the fourth I'm completely ok with it. Now if we gave him a fifth round rating we have problems.
If he was a small schooler that I'd never heard of like those guys I would agree. Or just a crazy convert such as moving a QB to WR. I actually am very familiar with Hitchens and he comes from a school and conference that puts some excellent LBers in the NFL. This isn't the same bullshit gem find from Ball State.But Ive seen too many Stanbacks, AOA's, Arkins, Brewsters, etc etc over the last 20 years to where we dont deserve the benefit of the doubt when a player is taken 2+ rounds higher than the overwhelming consensus has him rated.j
The fact he was from a Big Ten school like Iowa is even bigger reason to agree with the consensus. It's not like he snuck through the crack from obscurity and we out-scouted everyone.If he was a small schooler that I'd never heard of like those guys I would agree. Or just a crazy convert such as moving a QB to WR. I actually am very familiar with Hitchens and he comes from a school and conference that puts some excellent LBers in the NFL. This isn't the same bullshit gem find from Ball State.
Also 90 percent of the so called experts are just tweaking what the other ones say. What it comes to is that a lot of NFL teams weren't conveying to the experts their love of Hitchens.
That's the point. We didn't necessarily out scout anyone. We out scouted Mel Kiper and Todd McShay. We have no idea what the other 31 NFL teams thought about the player.The fact he was from a Big Ten school like Iowa is even bigger reason to agree with the consensus. It's not like he snuck through the crack from obscurity and we out-scouted everyone.
A good point - but for the Claiborne trade-up, we would have picked Bobby Wagner in the 2nd.In recent history Dallas has done a pretty good job rating LBers.
You keep acting like it's only Kiper and McShay, but I've yet to see anyone else have him higher than the 6th round.That's the point. We didn't necessarily out scout anyone. We out scouted Mel Kiper and Todd McShay. We have no idea what the other 31 NFL teams thought about the player.
Thank you. I think.LT is set in his ways.
He's not a dipshit.