Hill: Why not Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys?

[L.T. Fan]

If Jones traded up to get Claiborne, I think he surely would do likewise for Manziel. Next year's top 16 pick should seal it nicely.

I wish I could say that's not going to happen but with Jones in the mix expect the unexpected.

 

[p1_]

I wish I could say that's not going to happen but with Jones in the mix expect the unexpected.

By now we should all know what we're dealing with here.

 

[Smitty]

This is page 4.

You're doing it wrong.

162 responses, then.

 

[Smitty]

FWIW, I would not bet that us taking Manziel is very likely. Even if he's available. It's maybe a 25% chance.

But that's infinitely better than in the past, where we simply were not going to take a QB that slipped to us, for any reason.

 

[Cotton]

Checkdowns: Manziel to Dallas Would Require “Draft Day” Drama
BY ROB PHILLIPS on APRIL 25, 2014

*Three years ago, Tony Romo uttered this magical cliché after beating the 49ers with a broken rib: “It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season.” This week, what a great way to salute his return to team workouts following back surgery: It’s football offseason and usually football players lift football weights during football offseason. Welcome back, Tones.Cowboys-Goalpost

*If Johnny Manziel winds up a Dallas Cowboy, as the Worldwide Leader hypothesized this week, it will mean one of two things: 1) Texans GM Rick Smith pulls a Sonny Weaver Jr. from “Draft Day”: he discovers no Aggie teammates attended Manziel’s birthday party last December, passes on him with the top pick and sparks a Johnny Football free-fall all the way to Jerry Jones at No. 16. 2) Jerry pulls a Sonny Weaver Jr. from “Draft Day”: he mortgages the team’s entire future, trades three first-rounders and moves up for Manziel because, well, Romo’s retiring.

*Jokes aside, this just can’t happen for two reasons: 1) Manziel will not fall out of the top 10. Besides the intrigue of his unique talent, he’s a walking turnstile for teams that need butts in seats. Frankly, I’m shocked the Jaguars aren’t drooling all over themselves at No. 3 with a chance at this marketing dream: Tim Tebow with actual talent. 2) If Romo is truly healthy, and if the Cowboys are truly all-in for the remainder of his prime, then they’re not trading up several spots – and losing several draft picks in the process – for a rookie quarterback who can’t help them until at least 2016.

*Will the schedule be as tough as it looks? Impossible to say because inevitable injuries will impact the Cowboys and their opponents. Regardless, they still must play five of their final seven games away from home. Brutal. A 7-4 record entering December may be required.

*As second-place finishers in the NFC East, the Cowboys by rule would’ve been slotted against San Francisco in any season because the Niners also finished second in the NFC West. But it’s just plain bad luck to draw the entire West division this year. Road trip to Seattle? Eeeesh.

*Early-season swing game: Sept. 28 at home vs. the Saints. Last November’s 49-17 loss in New Orleans was Dallas’ first truly bad loss of 2013, and things plunged from bad to historically bad for the defense in the final six weeks. Standing up to Sean Payton and Drew Brees could build confidence entering the second quarter of the season.

*Contrary to conspirators’ beliefs, the NFL isn’t screwing the Cowboys in December. The league generally prefers late-season division games for everyone because there’s more intrigue with more at stake.

*No sarcasm intended here: I look at the list and think, “On paper the Cowboys could win all 16 and lose all 16.” Nearly every game is a toss-up. Maybe that’s just the league’s “Any Given Sunday” parity. But it also speaks to the 8-8 track they’re on until proven otherwise.

 

[p1_]

FWIW, I would not bet that us taking Manziel is very likely. Even if he's available. It's maybe a 25% chance.

But that's infinitely better than in the past, where we simply were not going to take a QB that slipped to us, for any reason.

Why do you put it so low? That jackass Jerry has been fellating Man-zeal up in his suite already, not to mention the other reports of
Jerry fawning. That seems somewhat indicative to me.

 

[p1_]

*No sarcasm intended here: I look at the list and think, “On paper the Cowboys could win all 16 and lose all 16.” Nearly every game is a toss-up. Maybe that’s just the league’s “Any Given Sunday” parity. But it also speaks to the 8-8 track they’re on until proven otherwise.

8-8 baby here we come. Has any team gone four straight seasons at 8-8? We just may be the first.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

If Jones traded up to get Claiborne, I think he surely would do likewise for Manziel. Next year's top 16 pick should seal it nicely.

This certainly isn't impossible. I don't think Jerry necessarily wants to draft a QB this year. I think Jerry really wants to draft D-lineman (You can tell from our visits at least that we are looking). However I think Manziel is a unique talent that Jerry may view as too good to pass up at 16. I don't know however if Jerry wants him that bad that he would trade up for him. I mean Claiborne wasn't a need really either, Jerry just fell in love with the player.

The only pick I feel comfortable saying is highly likely for Dallas at 16 if he is available is Aaron Donald. But even that with Jerry could be in question.

 

[Bob Roberts]

I'm sure Jerry looks at Johnny Foosball and sees all the $ he can make marketing that little shit. I mean, he sees how he can win a championship with that little shit.

 

[jsmith6919]

This certainly isn't impossible. I don't think Jerry necessarily wants to draft a QB this year. I think Jerry really wants to draft D-lineman (You can tell from our visits at least that we are looking). However I think Manziel is a unique talent that Jerry may view as too good to pass up at 16. I don't know however if Jerry wants him that bad that he would trade up for him. I mean Claiborne wasn't a need really either, Jerry just fell in love with the player.

The only pick I feel comfortable saying is highly likely for Dallas at 16 if he is available is Aaron Donald. But even that with Jerry could be in question.

I think the only way we move up is if we get a favorable deal to do so, when Jerry gets the chance to make himself feel like he got over on someone he's more apt to take it

 

[Cotton]

I think the only way we move up is if we get a favorable deal to do so, when Jerry gets the chance to make himself feel like he got over on someone he's more apt to take it

The problem is Jerry's trade value chart is all fucked up.

 

[skidadl]

In his first stint with the team, he had QC, Ryan Leaf, and Anthony Wright. Then coming back he had McGee from the start.

He developed none of them.

WTF was he supposed to do with those players?

 

[NoDak]

WTF was he supposed to do with those players?

I said pretty much the same thing.

Unk will be in shortly to ask if that means you think Wilson is a good coach.

 

[Deuce]

WTF was he supposed to do with those players?

There's lots you can do with them. Teach them to read the defense better and make better decisions for one thing.

 

[NoDak]

There's lots you can do with them. Teach them to read the defense better and make better decisions for one thing.

Oh, come on. You know it's not that easy. Not everyone is capable of learning that easily.

 

[skidadl]

There's lots you can do with them. Teach them to read the defense better and make better decisions for one thing.

Are you suggesting that if there was better coaching they would have succeeded?

 

[boozeman]

I cannot believe some of you are defending the virtue of Wade fricking Wilson.

 

[p1_]

I cannot believe some of you are defending the virtue of Wade fricking Wilson.

I'm with you, but by the same token, when you're given turds and asked to churn out quality QB play, you're not dealing in reality.
That said, I wouldn't miss the guy if he were hit by a bus crossing a busy intersection. But that's me.

 

[NoDak]

I cannot believe some of you are defending the virtue of Wade fricking Wilson.

It's not defending Wilson at all. It's saying no coach could have turned those three bums into an actual real live NFL QB.

 

[Cotton]

I cannot believe some of you are defending the virtue of Wade fricking Wilson.

No shit.