Hatcher Signs With Redskins

[Clay_Allison]

So you are including the Parcells' years? Many don't.

The Parcells years weren't more successful for a reason named Jerry Jones.

 

[hstour]

Parcells had his own misses, especially in drafting for the OL.

Rob Petitti and Jacob Rogers were two notable misses with 2nd & 3rd round picks. Stephen Peterman was a good 6th round pick that Parcells cut that went on to have a solid career in Detroit.

 

[Deuce]

Parcells had his own misses, especially in drafting for the OL.

Rob Petitti and Jacob Rogers were two notable misses with 2nd & 3rd round picks. Stephen Peterman was a good 6th round pick that Parcells cut that went on to have a solid career in Detroit.

You are correct in the misses, but getting them mixed up. Peterman was a 3rd I believe and Petitti was like a 7th.

Still, for all his missed he rebuilt this team rather quickly. Something nobody did the prior 10 years and since.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Actually, no. Investment could be any type of investment. Capital expenditures, manpower expenditures, etc.

Are you saying that you can't measure the effectiveness of the investment of a 1st round draft pick? You hear quite often that a team "invested" a 1st round draft pick in a player and the measurement against that is generally did the player become an effective starter for that 1st round investment.

I am saying you cannot measure a return on investment of a player in dollars and cents because there are too many factors to evaluate that cannot be quantified into money values. In my view the closest you could ever calculate a player in pure dollars and cents would be if they were acquired and subsequently traded. Then all the prior accomplishments would be voided because there would be no tangible way to put a value on then. The value of accomplishment would be subjective and debatable. That being the case, a value would be all over the board which would skew any ROI formula.

 

[boozeman]

The Parcells years weren't more successful for a reason named Jerry Jones.

Sure, but Parcells was limited in his own way. He made the recommendations he did in the 2003 offseason where we basically rested on the playoff berth from the year before. We had a chance to get better at QB with Jake Delhomme and elected instead to keep Carter, only to march him out the door and bring in Vinny Testaverde. He allowed Mo Carthon to talk Jones into Julius Jones when we had Stephen Jackson staring at us in the face. He wanted Bobby Carpenter.

 

[Clay_Allison]

Sure, but Parcells was limited in his own way. He made the recommendations he did in the 2003 offseason where we basically rested on the playoff berth from the year before. We had a chance to get better at QB with Jake Delhomme and elected instead to keep Carter, only to march him out the door and bring in Vinny Testaverde. He allowed Mo Carthon to talk Jones into Julius Jones when we had Stephen Jackson staring at us in the face. He wanted Bobby Carpenter.

Sure, and worse than that Parcells was too old and disinterested to build a real staff. He kept Zimmer around because he wanted a yes man, even after he made the decision to move to the 3-4. He wouldn't let Payton be the offensive coordinator and utterly wasted the guy for the entire time he was in Dallas.

 

[boozeman]

Sure, and worse than that Parcells was too old and disinterested to build a real staff. He kept Zimmer around because he wanted a yes man, even after he made the decision to move to the 3-4. He wouldn't let Payton be the offensive coordinator and utterly wasted the guy for the entire time he was in Dallas.

All of his good buddies like Groh, Hennings, etc. from New York were elsewhere.

Offense was alright. Payton was a decent choice. Rat Salad was not the worst. David Lee was very good. But the rest of them, especially on defense, yikes.

He just ran out of his good buddies and depended on a lot of the cruddy hanger-ons like Carthon.

 

[Clay_Allison]

All of his good buddies like Groh, Hennings, etc. from New York were elsewhere.

Offense was alright. Payton was a decent choice. Rat Salad was not the worst. David Lee was very good. But the rest of them, especially on defense, yikes.

He just ran out of his good buddies and depended on a lot of the cruddy hanger-ons like Carthon.

Payton wasn't one of his old buddies. If he had given a shit he could have called around and picked up someone with a bright future, or simply hired Dick Lebeau, who had just been fired in Cincinnati. He just didn't have it in him to string together enough hours to be a Coach/Shadow GM. He'd do some good things and leave other things as "that will do" "that's good enough" "fuck it" or whatever else you say when you want to go home and watch some horse racing.

 

[boozeman]

Payton wasn't one of his old buddies.

I didn't imply that he was. He did better with the guys he didn't "know, okay?"

 

[Clay_Allison]

I didn't imply that he was. He did better with the guys he didn't "know, okay?"

And he might have done it more if he hadn't been burned out and only taking Jerry's money to recover from his divorce.

 

[boozeman]

And he might have done it more if he hadn't been burned out and only taking Jerry's money to recover from his divorce.

No way man.

He came to Dallas because like, it's like "the big stage in Vegas". I mean, every high profile head coach would just love to come work for Jerry Jones.

 

[1bigfan13]

Sure, but Parcells was limited in his own way. He made the recommendations he did in the 2003 offseason where we basically rested on the playoff berth from the year before. We had a chance to get better at QB with Jake Delhomme and elected instead to keep Carter, only to march him out the door and bring in Vinny Testaverde. He allowed Mo Carthon to talk Jones into Julius Jones when we had Stephen Jackson staring at us in the face. He wanted Bobby Carpenter.

I remember how pissed I was when that happened. Easily the best RB in the draft fell right into our laps and we trade back like some dumbasses. The RB position was our biggest need that year as well.

I was posting at ESPN at the time and me and the rest of the posters were livid.

IIRC, leading up to the draft Jackson was projected as a top 5-10 pick and he fell to the 20s.

 

[Carp]

I stopped watching the draft that year when we passed on Jackson.

 

[Deuce]

The moments leading up to the trade down were great on the ESPN board. I believe my post was entitled "Pop the champaign" or something to that effect.

 

[boozeman]

I stopped watching the draft that year when we passed on Jackson.

I actually was so stunned during all that trade down business I had grease on the stove to fry wings and started a grease fire in my kitchen. That was not a good draft day. No sir.

 

[Cotton]

I actually was so stunned during all that trade down business I had grease on the stove to fry wings and started a grease fire in my kitchen. That was not a good draft day. No sir.

 

[1bigfan13]

The moments leading up to the trade down were great on the ESPN board. I believe my post was entitled "Pop the champaign" or something to that effect.

Oh, hell yeah. We were all high fiving each other. Because heading into the draft we figured we'd have to settle on the 2nd or 3rd best RB. Jackson was thought to be out of the question unless we traded up.

So we were celebrating like crazy when he was still on the board in the 20s. Then I started getting worried because we were taking too much time for what should have been a slam dunk pick. And sure as shit these jackasses outsmarted themselves with that dumbass trade.

Good times.

 

[1bigfan13]

I actually was so stunned during all that trade down business I had grease on the stove to fry wings and started a grease fire in my kitchen. That was not a good draft day. No sir.

 

[boozeman]

Glad you find it funny, asshole. The way I have it figured, Jones, Parcells and Carthon owe me about $500 bucks I had to pay for a new cover over the stove.

 

[Deuce]

Oh, hell yeah. We were all high fiving each other. Because heading into the draft we figured we'd have to settle on the 2nd or 3rd best RB. Jackson was thought to be out of the question unless we traded up.

So we were celebrating like crazy when he was still on the board in the 20s. Then I started getting worried because we were taking too much time for what should have been a slam dunk pick. And sure as shit these jackasses outsmarted themselves with that dumbass trade.

Good times.

I knew there was a problem when they had a camera fixed on Jackson and he just sat there dumbfounded, wondering why he wasn't getting a phone call.