The Outrage Thread

[Irving Cowboy]

The fact that two of his three shots went through the open driver's side window is what really bothers me.

 

[Cujo]

Tim does an excellent breakdown of this incident starting at 8:25.

 

[Bipo]

The fact that two of his three shots went through the open driver's side window is what really bothers me.

Exactly. Why was that cunt of a human being firing those shots?

 

[Cujo]

Exactly. I've said I don't agree with what he did, and I don't. But I also see how difficult it is in real time to draw that line. Does this mean people can drive their cars at you and turn away at the last second and you're to blame if you defend yourself? Or drive at high speeds a foot from you and you should do nothing? Because people will push that line as far as they possibly can.

Yeah, I love how everyone watches it in slow fucking motion and tells you, defiantly, how this officer should have handled it. The Tim Pool video breaks it down perfectly and points out things we missed initially. But everyone already has their minds made up. We can't objectively agree on anything being "good" or "bad." Case in point, the entire left is siding Russia, China, and a murderous dictator who BIDEN placed a bounty on during his administration.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The fact that two of his three shots went through the open driver's side window is what really bothers me.

Yeah the shots through the drivers windows were wrong. I just have a hard time expecting any human to be able to go from shooting at a person to a split second later going no, don't shoot another shot. There is no time in between for your brain to process.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It's all because it was an ICE agent. I think many opinions would be different if that was just two neighbors arguing and one of them blocked the road and then got in their car and accelerated in the direction of the other neighbor.

But I'm a criminal defense attorney, so that's the perspective I try to take. I don't really give a shit that the guy was an ICE agent or not an ICE agent. I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard or a lower standard.

 

[Texas Ace]

The fact that two of his three shots went through the open driver's side window is what really bothers me.

Exactly.

And you know how you have the right to protect your home and you can shoot somebody if they trespass but yet you can't walk over to them and finish them off?

A guy went to prison here in Texas for doing that a few years back and that's exactly what this is.

He used excessive force and executed her -- Plain and simple.

It won't matter in the end because he's fully protected, but it's not right.

 

[Bipo]

If you think this soccer mom with no criminal record was trying to run over an officer, you are just delusional imo. She was likely panicked, tried to drive away and was blown the fuck away by one of the sociopathic pieces of shit that infiltrate law enforcement at every level.

 

[NoDak]

All three shots were fired in about a second. It’s not like he had time to think between shot 1 and two. He obviously thought he was in danger of being hit by the vehicle when she accelerated towards him and he draws his weapon and fires.

I’m not going to pretend like I know what law enforcement trains in a situation like that when discharging your weapon, but we were always trained after acquiring your sight line, fire until the threat is suppressed. Usually 2-3 shots. That first one doesn’t always find its target.

 

[NoDak]

Exactly.

And you know how you have the right to protect your home and you can shoot somebody if they trespass but yet you can't walk over to them and finish them off?

A guy went to prison here in Texas for doing that a few years back and that's exactly what this is.

He used excessive force and executed her -- Plain and simple.

It won't matter in the end because he's fully protected, but it's not right.

I don’t agree with this at all.

 

[Texas Ace]

I don’t agree with this at all.

Then we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Bipo]

ICE officers are specifically trained to approach a vehicle from a "tactical L" or 90-degree angle, and never from the front.

Why did the officer place himself in a dangerous situation like that? That is not a part of his training. He had time to reach for his gun and within that time he could have moved further out of the way. She clearly is turning her vehicle to get out of there not to intentionally hit him.

One side has to make this woman out to be some raging homicidal lunatic who tried to run over an officer. Because legally for him to claim self defense that's what it has to be. But that's a big stretch people are making to fit that narrative.

 

[NoDak]

Then we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one.

That’s fine. I just don’t understand how you could think anybody could process things so quickly. All three shots were fired in a space of about a second. When the first shot was fired, the vehicle was moving towards him and made contact. In hindsight and with video, we have the ability to see that her wheels were in the process of turning right as she moved forward. He did not.

So in the space of that second or so, the vehicle accelerates into him as he draws and fires the first shot. He steps to his right, while firing the next two shots. Meanwhile, the vehicle is now moving towards it’s right. Which now places the open drivers window into his sight line. Again, this all happens in a second or two. But to listen to a fucking idiot like Bipo, he had time to premeditate those last two shots thru the open window, committing murder. Can’t say it enough… all three shots were squeezed off in about ONE SECOND.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And you know how you have the right to protect your home and you can shoot somebody if they trespass but yet you can't walk over to them and finish them off?

I think that's a pretty poor comparison. This would be more akin to shooting somebody and then they turn their body to run and the second and third shots go through their back. You're using an example where a person would have a reasonable amount of time to consider or think about their actions. And comparing it to a bang/bang (No pun intended) situation where a person has no time to actually process the change in circumstances.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Because legally for him to claim self defense that's what it has to be. But that's a big stretch people are making to fit that narrative.

This is someone who has absolutely no idea what the term "legally" means. That's not at all what it has to be in order for it to be self defense.

 

[Bipo]

This is someone who has absolutely no idea what the term "legally" means. That's not at all what it has to be in order for it to be self defense.

Perhaps, but they are spot on about this supposedly highly trained ICE agent not following his training.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Perhaps, but they are spot on about this supposedly highly trained ICE agent not following his training.

That they may be. I'm not going to pretend to know what their training specifically is. I see badly trained officers every day that have no idea what the NHTSA manual says or what their policy is on camera footage. I'd expect better training for an ICE agent than a police officer which is why I can only really judge it like these are two normal people.

The only thing I can judge the guy on is what he says is "legal" and that I can tell you doesn't contain a lick of truth. I actually find it funny how people who have no idea about the law try to use the term "legally speaking,"

 

[Bipo]

 

[Cujo]

Bottom line is this, if you don't want these types of shootings to occur, don't be out fucking with them every goddamn day. They get driven at, shot at, things thrown at them, roads blocked by vehicles, every single f'ing day. The left are constantly out there testing the boundaries of LEOs and everyone is going to act surprised when something like this happens? It's important to view it in its broader context. She wasn't coming home from the grocery store. She was blocking the f'ing road and they were trying to get her to move and she ignored commands from them. Her 'wife' is outside taking video, God knows what that was about.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

When the first shot was fired, the vehicle was moving towards him and made contact.

that vehicle did NOT make contact with him.