2025 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

I think we should tap the brakes on Revel. He has potential but we have no idea what he's going to look like in the pros or if he'll even get and stay healthy.

Potential is there but we shouldn't be counting on that until we see it and see it consistently.

Ok, so let's say pencil him in with Bland. I mean let's be realistic, it's all projections with NFL players. Even the proven vet could fall off a cliff tomorrow. I'm sure the Cowboys thought they knew exactly what Diggs would look like going forward when they gave him a contract. And in the end, he has had two years of season ending injuries and declined play.

So sure, I'm projecting that the first round talent Revel has will show out. But even first round picks fail all the time. And so do free agent signings. And sometimes the late round picks become studs. All I'm saying is that they drafted Revel with the idea that he is a long term solution at corner. If they didn't they wouldn't have drafted the guy. And I agree with them.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Right, I'm never too hyped about a third rounder, but Revel looked really, really good.

We're assuming it doesn't take too long for his knee to recover, of course.

 

[Texas Ace]

Wasn't there an issue with the production and being questioned about his ability up until midseason? I thought I remember hearing that on the local sports talk shows around here.

@Texas Ace am I remembering wrong?

If true then it would support this concern.

You're not wrong at all, which is why I wasn't crazy about him as a RB, not even for Texas.

He's not a starter, not even at the collegiate level.

But he does have 2 elite skills that I think could allow him to become a productive player in the NFL, and those are elite speed, and he's an elite receiver out of the backfield. And while he's nothing special as an actual RB, he will hit you some home runs if you create some holes.

With the right creative mind, he could cause a lot of problems for defenses but that would be more as a receiver than a RB, kind of like Brian Westbrook was for the Eagles all those years, but obviously to a lesser extent.

With that being said, I think he's definitely an upgrade over Rico Dowdle, so hopefully all those RBs we have can combine to make for one solid all around running game.

 

[ravidubey]

If Revel’s healthy, he’s in the rotation on Sunday. It’s that simple. Rn we have no idea if he’s truly healthy, because only the eye test works there. Can’t trust what the player, the team, the team doctors, or the team shills tell you regarding health.

 

[ravidubey]

Blue fell to the 5th round for a reason. Elite speed is such a difference maker for RB’s that it usually pushes them much higher. NFL scouts must have seen very average skills and work ethic for Blue.

Blue reminds me in ways of a faster, lighter, and far less productive version of Michael Wiley, who I was super excited to see Dallas draft in the 5th round in 2000.

Wiley did well when he got his brief moments on the field but couldn’t stay healthy at the pro level. Bill Parcells wasn’t having it three years later and cut him, despite Wiley averaging over 7 yards per carry two years in a row.

Back then our OL was really overrated and we NEVER threw the ball to RB’s by design.

For Blue to succeed he’s going to need help at the LOS or scheming to get him in space vs LB’s because I don’t see him breaking many tackles in crowds. It’s going to require a patience and vision at the handoff, and he’s likely going to be tempted to hit the line full speed.

I feel like if he really had vision, patience, or tackle breaking skill he’d never have made it to the 5th round.

 

[NoDak]

Blue fell to the 5th round for a reason. Elite speed is such a difference maker for RB’s that it usually pushes them much higher. NFL scouts must have seen very average skills and work ethic for Blue.

Blue reminds me in ways of a faster, lighter, and far less productive version of Michael Wiley, who I was super excited to see Dallas draft in the 5th round in 2000.

Wiley did well when he got his brief moments on the field but couldn’t stay healthy at the pro level. Bill Parcells wasn’t having it three years later and cut him, despite Wiley averaging over 7 yards per carry two years in a row.

Back then our OL was really overrated and we NEVER threw the ball to RB’s by design.

For Blue to succeed he’s going to need help at the LOS or scheming to get him in space vs LB’s because I don’t see him breaking many tackles in crowds. It’s going to require a patience and vision at the handoff, and he’s likely going to be tempted to hit the line full speed.

I feel like if he really had vision, patience, or tackle breaking skill he’d never have made it to the 5th round.

Also have to take into consideration the crazy depth at RB in this draft. In a “normal” year, he probably would have been a 3rd rounder.

 

[ravidubey]

Also have to take into consideration the crazy depth at RB in this draft. In a “normal” year, he probably would have been a 3rd rounder.

It was definitely a factor.

The one thing a back can’t learn is speed, and Blue has it big time. But he wasn’t a starter on his own team and took three years to earn even a significant role at Texas. The NFL is not that patient

 

[bbgun]

 

[Genghis Khan]

We'll see. I also think these mid season returns are kind of a coin toss as far as if they make any kind of impact.

Guy won't have played in a game in about a year and won't have had a camp. Hard to believe he'll hit the ground running.

 

[Bipo]

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[Bipo]

Tyler Smith's contract among things to watch at Cowboys camp

FRISCO, Texas -- Here are five things I'm wondering about as the Dallas Cowboys get set to open training camp in Oxnard, California, on Tuesday.

1. Aside from Micah Parsons' contract situation, I wonder if the Cowboys look to extend the contract of Pro Bowl left guard Tyler Smith while in Oxnard.

With the retirement of Zack Martin, Smith is the leader of the group. Technically, he is under contract through 2026 since the Cowboys have already picked up his fifth-year option. But why not get ahead of these things when it comes to players the team will want around for years to come?

The Cowboys did something similar with Trevon Diggs back in 2023, although injuries have caused Diggs to miss 21 games the past two years.

Smith is everything the Cowboys want in a lineman. He is tough, smart, strong, just 24 years old, and he grew up not far from The Star. It will be a pretty penny, likely something along the lines of becoming the highest-paid guard in the NFL.
The Kansas City Chiefs signed Trey Smith to a four-year deal worth $94 million. The Eagles' Landon Dickerson was the highest-paid guard at $21 million per; now it's $23.5 million for Trey Smith. Would the Cowboys be wise to match that? Go a little higher in the average? Probably so.

Smith recently made an agent change, moving to Joe Panos. In 2014, Panos was Tyron Smith's agent when he signed his eight-year extension. The Cowboys had exercised Tyron Smith's fifth-year option in 2015, but signed him in training camp. So there's a good working history between the club and agent.

2. I wonder if the Cowboys want to see what they have at cornerback for a few practices -- and maybe even a preseason game -- before looking for help.

We know it's unlikely that Diggs will be available Week 1 as he rehabs his (twice) surgically repaired left knee. We know rookie Shavon Revel Jr. is coming back from a torn ACL and is likely to start camp on the non-football injury list.

Do the Cowboys want to keep DaRon Bland outside or shift him into the slot? Can Kaiir Elam continue what was a solid offseason into a solid camp when the pads come on? Is Israel Mukuamu a real candidate to play the slot?

Stephon Gilmore is available and made a visit to The Star in the offseason, though it was unofficial. He turns 35 in September, but he can still help a defense. Would Mike Hilton be an option if the Cowboys want slot help? Guys such as Elam, Caelen Carson and Juanyeh Thomas will have a chance early in camp to show they can handle whatever is asked of them.

3. For all of the love that tight end Brevyn Spann-Ford received for his offseason work, I wonder if folks are sleeping on Luke Schoonmaker, the second-round pick in 2023. He performed decently at times last season when Jake Ferguson was hurt.

Like Spann-Ford, he also worked with the first-team offense in the spring. This is the first offseason Schoonmaker was able to be a full participant. Injuries his first two years kept him off the field and hurt his development. I'm told he was one of the more impressive players in the weight room in the offseason. Spann-Ford's development is nice, but don't forget about Schoonmaker just yet.

4. In going over a 53-man roster projection that will run in a couple of days, I had a glut of offensive linemen. I actually went with 11 on the final 53, but it got me wondering if the Cowboys could make a trade on the offensive line for some help.

Brock Hoffman has shown he can be at least a spot starter. T.J. Bass has played well in limited action. The Cowboys signed Robert Jones in free agency as well as added Saahdiq Charles and Hakeem Adeniji. All have started games in their careers. We know teams always need offensive line help, but the Cowboys might have some depth that could allow them to make a deal.

5. I wonder how many undrafted free agents make the 53-man roster. Spann-Ford was the only one last season. In 2023, fullback Hunter Luepke, Bass, tight end Princeton Fant and defensive end Tyrus Wheat all saw action.

The top choices would appear to be linebacker Justin Barron and safety Alijah Clark. Maybe it's because of the money they were guaranteed -- $254,000 and $259,000 respectively -- but there are depth questions at their positions that will help their cases.

Tyler Smith's contract, Luke Schoonmaker's role among things to watch at Cowboys camp

Here are five things to consider as the Cowboys get set to open camp, and Micah Parsons' contract is not one of them.

www.espn.com

 

[Rev]

Tyler Smith's contract among things to watch at Cowboys camp

FRISCO, Texas -- Here are five things I'm wondering about as the Dallas Cowboys get set to open training camp in Oxnard, California, on Tuesday.

1. Aside from Micah Parsons' contract situation, I wonder if the Cowboys look to extend the contract of Pro Bowl left guard Tyler Smith while in Oxnard.

With the retirement of Zack Martin, Smith is the leader of the group. Technically, he is under contract through 2026 since the Cowboys have already picked up his fifth-year option. But why not get ahead of these things when it comes to players the team will want around for years to come?

Tyler Smith's contract, Luke Schoonmaker's role among things to watch at Cowboys camp

Here are five things to consider as the Cowboys get set to open camp, and Micah Parsons' contract is not one of them.

www.espn.com

LoL. Evidently somebody doesnt pay attention to how the hillbillies do contracts.

 

[Simpleton]

LoL. Evidently somebody doesnt pay attention to how the hillbillies do contracts.wn

The fact that he hired Tyron's agent could be a sign that he's willing to play ball on an extension though.

 

[boozeman]

 

[Rev]

The fact that he hired Tyron's agent could be a sign that he's willing to play ball on an extension though.

Oh. Im sure he is willing. Micah has been willing for a year. Its the other two shits that arent.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I just realized that Jeremy Fowler and Chris Fowler are not the same person.

Then it occurred to me that maybe they are father and son.

I looked it up and no, apparently they are unrelated.

It was quite a rollercoaster for a minute.

I'm going to check if Dante is related now. Be right back.

 

[Smitty]

He signed that massive deal and proceeded to pay 13 games and log 3 interceptions in two seasons, and is injured to start this year.

As I told everyone, we should have traded him before signing him to that deal.

Just like I said it with DeMarcus Lawrence prior to 2019 that we should have traded him instead of giving him $100 million. And he never once got double digit sacks again after that contract, in fact he never even cracked 6.5.

You pay elite players. You pay Micah Parsons.

Or you extend EARLY for relative discounts, like, Odigizua.

You don't pay elite free agency market prices to keep non-elite players (or non-elite positions like CB).

Lawrence was a very good player but saving $100m in conjunction with the first and third we could have gotten, would have been a way better outcome than his decent run defense and 6 sacks a year afterwards. Same with Diggs. Should have been traded before signing that deal. He was never gonna be Dick the Night Train Lane and get 8 interceptions a year.

 

[Smitty]

Good riddance.

He has a nose for the ball which was great, but not even Deion was that fucking scared of physical contact.

Combine that with his crazy salary and injury, and I don't think he's worth keeping around past this season barring a great season from him.

Does he have a nose for the ball?

He had 11 interceptions one year.

Other than that, his max is 3.

 

[Simpleton]

He signed that massive deal and proceeded to pay 13 games and log 3 interceptions in two seasons, and is injured to start this year.

As I told everyone, we should have traded him before signing him to that deal.

Just like I said it with DeMarcus Lawrence prior to 2019 that we should have traded him instead of giving him $100 million. And he never once got double digit sacks again after that contract, in fact he never even cracked 6.5.

You pay elite players. You pay Micah Parsons.

Or you extend EARLY for relative discounts, like, Odigizua.

You don't pay elite free agency market prices to keep non-elite players (or non-elite positions like CB).

Lawrence was a very good player but saving $100m in conjunction with the first and third we could have gotten, would have been a way better outcome than his decent run defense and 6 sacks a year afterwards. Same with Diggs. Should have been traded before signing that deal. He was never gonna be Dick the Night Train Lane and get 8 interceptions a year.

You can't just assume that we could get a 1/3 for a guy like Lawrence circa 2019ish, I highly doubt anybody would've given that up for him.

Maybe a 1 or early 2 but a 1/3 was not going to happen.

 

[ravidubey]

Lawrence was a very good player but saving $100m in conjunction with the first and third we could have gotten, would have been a way better outcome than his decent run defense and 6 sacks a year afterwards. Same with Diggs. Should have been traded before signing that deal. He was never gonna be Dick the Night Train Lane and get 8 interceptions a year.

Especially once the franchise tag showed us who Lawrence was, a very good player but clearly one who dialed it back once he got paid real money.

A monster deal after two successive franchise tags revealed declining production just isn't getting it done.