President Trump Thread (Part 2)

[Cujo]

FACT CHECK: Did Obama Deport More People Than All Previous Presidents Combined? | Check Your Fact

Removal orders have historically involved bureaucratic paperwork and backlogged court proceedings run by immigration judges. But a law passed by Congress in 1996 gave immigration authorities more flexibility.
Agents could now issue “expedited removal orders” without the need to go before an immigration judge.
The authority was initially only extended to ports of entry like airports and sea ports, but a regulatory change in 2004 allowed agents to remove new entrants at or near the southern border. President George W. Bush nearly doubled the number of removals from FY 2001 to FY 2008, and Obama continued to issue record numbers of removal orders.
By FY 2013, 44 percent of all removals fell under the “expedited removal” category. The Center for Immigration Studies notes that more than half of the removals attributed to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in 2012 wouldn’t have counted as removals in previous years.

The number of removals also rose due to the creation of DHS in 2002. From 2003 to 2008, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) grew from 10,000 to 17,000 agents, and ICE grew from 2,700 to 5,000 agents. By the time Obama assumed office in 2009, he wielded what the Migration Policy Institute (MPI) has called a “formidable immigration machinery” that would issue up to 434,000 removals a year.
But critics of Obama argue that removal orders paint an incomplete picture of immigration enforcement. Before expedited removals became a popular tool for enforcement, immigration authorities would rely on a less formal method of deportation called a return (formerly known as a “voluntary departure“).
Under a return, immigrants apprehended by agents agree to leave the country before their court cases are settled.
Due to the high volume of border crossers that began in the 1970s and the bureaucratic process of formally removing someone from the country, returns were the primary way in which the government enforced immigration law for many decades.
And illegal immigrants had an incentive to comply – waiting for a formal removal comes with harsher legal consequences if an immigrant attempts to reenter the country at a later date.

So where was the outrage then, Irv?

 

[Irving Cowboy]

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So where was the outrage then, Irv?

Good question. Not sure why it wasn’t a bigger story other than it was being kept quiet.

My only other question is if this figures are true, why was it that Trump was saying that there were “meeyonns and meeyons” if illegals here when he took office in 2016?

 

[NoDak]

My only other question is if this figures are true, why was it that Trump was saying that there were “meeyonns and meeyons” if illegals here when he took office in 2016?

Maybe because illegals were crossing over long before Obama took office?

 

[Cujo]

Good question. Not sure why it wasn’t a bigger story other than it was being kept quiet.

My only other question is if this figures are true, why was it that Trump was saying that there were “meeyonns and meeyons” if illegals here when he took office in 2016?

Even deporting 400k+ a year would only have been ~1.6 million during his 2nd term.

 

[Sheik]

Damn, I got two durs for basically stating what happened. A final removal order is due process any way you look at it.

And before you two dur me again, just know I hate your friggin guts you fuckers.

 

[Genghis Khan]

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So where was the outrage then, Irv?

This is how you know the outrage is fake, and political not a legal or moral argument.

 

[Sheik]

I want them to keep deporting until I can walk through a Home Depot parking lot without being offered flats of strawberries or trunk tamales.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

My only other question is if this figures are true, why was it that Trump was saying that there were “meeyonns and meeyons” if illegals here when he took office in 2016?

You don't think there were?

If not, how many do you think were here?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I want them to keep deporting until I can walk through a Home Depot parking lot without being offered flats of strawberries or trunk tamales.

Why do I get no such offers? Must be too far north.

 

[Foobio]

Damn, I got two durs for basically stating what happened. A final removal order is due process any way you look at it.

And before you two dur me again, just know I hate your friggin guts you fuckers.

There was no notice or ability to respond in the 2025 action, hence the Supreme Court ruling. The broader question is do we have an executive branch that respects the rule of law? It appears that is not the case.

 

[Sheik]

There was no notice or ability to respond in the 2025 action, hence the Supreme Court ruling. The broader question is do we have an executive branch that respects the rule of law? It appears that is not the case.

The removal order was several years back. What was he doing since then? In my opinion he's been steadily breaking the law for years.

I’m just not sure how much due process people want for an illegal with a removal order.

People talk about our broken immigration policies a lot, I’d say the most fucked up part of the policy is they don’t go straight from their removal hearing to a boat or a plane to remove them.

Most of these people are hiding and obstructing the law. Not self deporting.

 

[Cujo]

This is how you know the outrage is fake, and political not a legal or moral argument.

Exactly. Obama does it: complete silence. Trump does it: fucking hysteria.

 

[Cujo]

 

[Sheik]

There was no notice or ability to respond in the 2025 action, hence the Supreme Court ruling. The broader question is do we have an executive branch that respects the rule of law? It appears that is not the case.

To address the second part, I guess that depends on who’s reading and interpreting the law. Every action this administration takes is challenged in court, and more often than not they are allowed to carry on with their agenda when it reaches the higher court.

I would compare the immigration shit going on to the Biden student loan forgiveness stuff. They were struck down in court and still skirted the ruling and kept on with their bullshit.

I’m not up in arms about people being removed who aren’t supposed to be here, and if the law is being skirted and even ignored to some degree, im okay with that. Mostly because I’m not an illegal. I get that my stance is pretty fucked up when people who care deeply about illegals not being afforded protections under the constitution that I don’t think they should be entitled to. If that makes sense. That was a lot to type and it was even harder to read and make sure it made sense. I know what I’m saying. Hope it came across the way I intended.

 

[Sheik]

Why do I get no such offers? Must be too far north.

Probably.

 

[Sheik]

Exactly. Obama does it: complete silence. Trump does it: fucking hysteria.

Obama’s deportation numbers are bullshit. If I recall correctly, they were counting people turned away at the ports of entry as deportations. Which is dishonest and a complete mirage.

 

[Foobio]

…not being afforded protections under the constitution that I don’t think they should be entitled to

Your feelings are in the way of what the law says.
Got it.

 

[Sheik]

Your feelings are in the way of what the law says.
Got it.

I acknowledge the law is what it is. I don’t think my feelings on it supersedes the law.

It’s a dumb law that affords noncitizens who are law breakers the moment their feet touch American soil to take advantage of our system and it’s resources.

 

[Cujo]

Obama’s deportation numbers are bullshit. If I recall correctly, they were counting people turned away at the ports of entry as deportations. Which is dishonest and a complete mirage.

Whether or not they were bullshit is, ultimately, beside the point. Hundreds of thousands of interior removals were made and nobody batted an eye about due process. That's my main point.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

You don't think there were?

If not, how many do you think were here?

Who the hell knows. I know one thing, I'm not going to trust anything that comes out of Trump's mouth.

His figure of 11M jumped by another 10M in just a few days, FFS.

One thing that I considered though is the way the deportations were handled. Someone mentioned that turnaways at the border were counted as "deportations" by Obama. Maybe (probably) true. Nevertheless, the ones where raids were conducted were not being advertised during or after the fact as some show of strength.

Then comes Trump, ever the showman, who makes a huge production out of it for his base because he knows it's like red meat to them, and that's what he cares about most, satisfying them. Meanwhile his economic policies are taking a grinding wheel to just about everyone in the country.