McCarthy Gone - Now the search is on - Schottenheimer Hired

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It feels like we're being prepped for the inevitable. Several writers seem to be pushing a pro Moore narrative.


Excuses are flying for Moore, but he has to prove he knows WTF he's doing with the passing game before I consider him anything more than an Offensive Assistant or maybe Running Game Coordinator.

In Philly you have the NFL's best OL an elite #1 WR and a legit strong #2 WR with good TE's across the board.

Yes I get the QB is Dak 2.0, but that passing game should be off the charts, especially with a back like Barkley keeping the defense honest.

That offense shouldn't be just above average. Moore and Hurts are absolutely unimpressive.
 

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HC- Moore
DC - Zimmer
TE - Witten
Moore and Witten, yeah. I can see that. But Zimmer I think will be gone. He's already hinting at retirement, and unless he gets the head coach spot, I think he will. But that I think is already a forgone conclusion going to be Moore.
 

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Excuses are flying for Moore, but he has to prove he knows WTF he's doing with the passing game before I consider him anything more than an Offensive Assistant or maybe Running Game Coordinator.

In Philly you have the NFL's best OL an elite #1 WR and a legit strong #2 WR with good TE's across the board.

Yes I get the QB is Dak 2.0, but that passing game should be off the charts, especially with a back like Barkley keeping the defense honest.

That offense shouldn't be just above average. Moore and Hurts are absolutely unimpressive.
Dak makes Jalen Hurts look like Quincy Carter as a passer. Now Jalen Hurts is a really good runner and Moore built the strength of his offense around the strength of the running game. It's smart move.

Now I absolutely had problems with some of what Moore did in Dallas with the offense, so if we want to go back that far I'd agree with you.
 

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Moore and Witten, yeah. I can see that. But Zimmer I think will be gone. He's already hinting at retirement, and unless he gets the head coach spot, I think he will. But that I think is already a forgone conclusion going to be Moore.
The reason why I say Zimmer is I think Saleh and Frazier are going to say no thanks to DC.
 

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Moore and Witten, yeah. I can see that. But Zimmer I think will be gone. He's already hinting at retirement, and unless he gets the head coach spot, I think he will. But that I think is already a forgone conclusion going to be Moore.
Yeah I think the only way Zimmer comes back is as a head coach. But I think he would be ok mentoring someone like Witten. Keeps some continuity like these hillbillies love. So that's why I think there is a chance.

But if it's Kellen Moore I don't think you get Zimmer back for the defense.
 

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The reason why I say Zimmer is I think Saleh and Frazier are going to say no thanks to DC.
That's a good possibility. But even if they do, I just have a feeling that Zimmer is on his way out.

Maybe somebody like Eberflus would be willing to come in and try get back on his coaching feet at DC after his crash and burn at HC with Chicago.
 

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That's a good possibility. But even if they do, I just have a feeling that Zimmer is on his way out.

Maybe somebody like Eberflus would be willing to come in and try get back on his coaching feet at DC after his crash and burn at HC with Chicago.
I like Eberflus. Not as a head coach but I think he is a good defensive coordinator. The Bears are a mess and have been a mess.
 

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Jerry can spin shit into gold. He will just spin it as they both always wanted to be together, they just needed to see what else was out there before realizing they had something special. Or some bullshit like that.

In reality, Jerry is just a shitty person. I'm just saying it wouldn't shock me. But if I was a betting man I still have this bad gut feeling that Zimmer is the head coach next year with Witten on the staff.

Oh, I think it's Moore. I'm bracing myself now. Dark days ahead.

I feel like Yoda at the end of Episode III, when most of the good guys have fallen and the Empire has its hooks deep and it's obvious things are going to be bleak for a while.

I wonder how much real estate in Dagobah is going for nowadays.
 

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Oh, I think it's Moore. I'm bracing myself now. Dark days ahead.

I feel like Yoda at the end of Episode III, when most of the good guys have fallen and the Empire has its hooks deep and it's obvious things are going to be bleak for a while.

I wonder how much real estate in Dagobah is going for nowadays.
That would be Louisianna and the average house price is 200k.
 

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I used to follow the Sixers religiously from the 70's to the 90's. Once the NBA (and the Sixers) started becoming a joke and causing me more grief than enjoyment, I stopped following. Why continue to purposely bring anguish into your life, when it starts outweighing why you started following in the first place. Makes no sense to me.

Yeah. Jerry is an idiot. He and his family run the team like a bunch of morons. But I still enjoy following the team. Still enjoy watching the games. Still enjoy following the league. If that ever stops, I'll stop. If I ever start actually hoping that the team fails, I'll just walk away.
I respect your stance on it. For me, walking away means Jerry and his inbred fucktards have won. I understand how many, including myself don’t want that. Unfortunately the only thing that seems to bring any type of change for Jerry & Co is loss of revenue or maybe even more is when people disrespect and question him. I think the end game is hoping the team fails because that’s the only sure way of the fan base turning on these clowns.
 

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:lol @ Jerry thinking Mike McCarthy loved his job so much that he could dictate terms to him.

Talk about being out of touch. Outside of Homer fans, nobody thinks this franchise is top notch. It’s closer to Cleveland than a premium destination.

McCarthy comes out of this smelling like roses.
 

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Revisiting the Issues of Kellen Moore's Plan
Before contemplating a return, perhaps remembering why he left is a great exercise.

Bob Sturm

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News in the last few days that Kellen Moore and Jerry Jones are “interviewing for the head coaching vacancy in Dallas” has confirmed what Vegas has been saying all along; that Moore is the odds-on favorite to be the next head coach in Dallas.

I am not too excited about this.

Now, I won’t elaborate on the obvious follow-up here today, which is rightfully, “Then who is your choice, Bob?” because I am not sure I am too enamored with any of the available names at the moment. It is possible that I remain a believer that they should be casting a much wider net than we expect, but for now, it is kind of the usual suspects.

So, let me keep this to Kellen Moore.

I hope you had a chance to read up on “scheme vs. culture” a few days ago, and we all know the correct answer is definitely going to be “both.” You need both. You need the guys with a strategic advantage but also a leader who gets everyone unified and full of belief in a common cause. “Willing to run through a wall for their coach” is a nice way to say it.

Well, my biggest issue with Kellen Moore is that I cannot convince myself that he is an NFL-head-coach-level leader of men. I just can’t. I always had that problem with Jason Garrett, too. Heck, you could argue that Jerry Jones is attracted to coaches who are not exactly Jimmy Johnson alpha males, if you think about it. Almost every coach since, besides Bill Parcells, has not seemed like the kind of guy who would want to speak publicly if he had a choice about it.

We could also argue that this might not matter as much as NFL Films has led us to believe, but being a big culture-building guy and a believer that if you aren’t building a culture in Dallas, then the default will be back on the Jerry Jones circus culture. This, amazingly, seems to argue that the only culture on the short list that has a chance is Deion Sanders. We just don’t know if it is wise to prefer adding him to this stew.

We could also argue that the “scheme” is what Kellen is all about (aside from already proving he is compliant with the Jones Family Circus biosphere and won’t upset the “way things are around here” at a Garrett level).

But yet, the scheme has been no different in Los Angeles and Philadelphia as it was in Dallas. Really strong numbers and league rankings, decent enough success for the team, and yet in both cities, everyone constantly is upset at the offense for lacking the performances that were promised. In other words, he did not transform Justin Herbert into a superstar, and he does not have the Eagles feeling any better about their offense because of his solutions. They are great because they have a great player at almost every spot on the offense, not because they are tying opponents in knots.

So, that had me circling back to this piece I wrote for The Athletic back in April of 2023 with Ted Nguyen’s help about why Kellen left us wanting more in Dallas. The Cowboys moved on. Now, did they find better solutions? No. They were very good in 2023, but it would be tough to say they were clearly better because they felt the same demise. 2024 was a different animal. Perhaps the lack of non-CeeDee playmakers is the common theme, but either way, the Cowboys, Chargers, and Eagles all were “meh” about Kellen’s job, and yet, he appears to be the Cowboys’ favorite?

I am less than convinced this is the way to go, despite not having a real strong horse I am backing at the moment.

For the benefit of those who have never read this piece, I am reprinting it below. This is from April 11, 2023 and a story entitled, “Why did the Cowboys tire of Kellen Moore and could he figure it out elsewhere?”

I was able to dig into a few topics this week with colleagues and friends about the Cowboys and there was one in particular that I thought I would push out as this week’s Cowboys Riffing and see what you thought about it.

It was a conversation with my buddy Ted Nguyen of The Athletic who is awesome at what he does. Ted was working on a story that turned into this piece as the Chargers are preparing to enter into their own Kellen Moore era and are rightfully excited about it. This piece details what they hope that brings to their young QB and their frustrating endings to the previous few seasons.

Ted asked me what I thought were the major issues with Moore in Dallas and I told him things that I have probably written a dozen times. I was ready to see the era end when the 2022 season came to a close because of three major reasons. Let’s revisit them.

1. The play design was top notch. The offense was wildly inconsistent. Why? How does an offense make sense with great plays and spatial conflicts that allow for guys to be open in space but it cannot find a groove of consistency? The mosaic off an offensive design — be it Bill Walsh or Andy Reid — is to set things up throughout a game so that you have that special play or opportunity at the moments of truth. Too often, what worked for the Cowboys in the early part of the game or in the early parts of the season would not be built upon. Conceptually, this might be vague, but we know it when we see it. The Cowboys would get figured out and there was a sequencing issue that never fully got mastered. Just like a pitcher might set you up early and save the kill shot for when you were stuck with two strikes, an offense should do the same thing. Trouble was, at key moments during key games, it simply never found the solutions at the highest leverage moments.
Where were they?

2. The offense routinely faded after Thanksgiving. This isn’t a passing or rushing observation. This is a schematic problem that reared its head in 2021 and 2022 when things began collapsing at roughly the same time in the year. Teams get a bead on what you like to do and begin to turn the screws on you. They take away your tendencies and strengths and make you beat them with your counters on top of your previous counters. We talked about it at very great length before the playoffs began. The Cowboys were 31st in 2021 and 2022 when it came to first-down runs after Thanksgiving. They were unable to run the ball at all — loaded boxes, empty boxes, you name it. This placed incredible undue stress on an offense that lacked receivers who could get open. Everyone wanted Dak Prescott to do something and he looked for someone to get open who wasn’t named CeeDee Lamb and it wasn’t working. The ball was forced into guys with no separation and we saw how that worked out — or didn’t. Turnovers started happening and without any respect for the running game, the team was out of answers. The fans and media were mad at the QB.

Truth is, the man with the play-sheet has to provide solutions. Sadly, the offensive coordinator seemed to have none, especially when Dallas played a defense that was top notch. The Cowboys escaped that in Tampa Bay, but not in San Francisco. The playoff exits looked painfully similar. Moore had no solutions because he had very few playmakers who could fix things. A slow running back, a few receivers who could not get open and a basic tight end who provided little beyond check-downs. There is a case to be made that Moore had few solutions available and I am sure he is right. We just know it was broken and he wasn’t sure how to fix it. And the clincher is it happened two years in a row from Thanksgiving all the way to the 49ers.

3. The route concepts were never evolved into something better. They were still Scott Linehan’s route concepts. This might be an entire semester’s worth of classes if we wanted to really dig deep into them, but my exact complaints from Linehan’s offense were similar for the exact complaints from Jason Garrett’s offense and yes, they were the exact same complaints for Moore’s offense.

Too often, the Cowboys[‘ offense is built on a foundation of what we call “spot routes,” although the language will vary all over the football world. Spot routes could mean curl and hook patterns, but to me and for this discussion, let’s refer to spot routes as anything that is caught while the receiver is facing the QB and not moving east or west. Comebacks, stops, hooks and curls are the primary routes in this heading, and the Cowboys have loved to run them over the past decade. When you are stationary or even close to stationary and your back is to the end zone for which you wish to score, then you limit the amount of damage an offense can do. Before you claim that this is largely a result of not believing your QB can function in any other offense, remember, this offense was designed with Tony Romo as the QB, so I reject that notion.

The opposite of these routes would be “move routes” which would be anything when a receiver is running toward the end zone or laterally across the defense. Crossers, digs, gos, corners, seams, etc. These are where we allow our playmakers to do the damage and yards after catch are possible. Again, I have heard people continuously blame Prescott for this, but the evidence supports that he is well within the realm of satisfactory at hitting these routes at the NFL starting-QB levels. In other words, people with this opinion are either comparing him to Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes or they are flat-out wrong.

Now, to the evidence that we have gathered from the past four years of the Moore era. There are four Next Gen stats worth considering. The first is “receiver separation.” This is the average distance between the receiver and the nearest defender when the pass arrives. In 2022, the Cowboys finished 30th in this category. Over the past four years with Moore as OC, the Cowboys averaged 25th in the NFL. This is problematic, to say the least. We should not just use this stat, though, because it does factor in a QB’s risk tolerance and his willingness to throw it into tight windows. Also, the deeper you pass the ball, the smaller the windows often get. So, we must cross-reference it with some other statistics — here they are.

The Cowboys finished 25th in wide-open percentage, which measures an open target with separation of at least five yards when the ball arrives. The Cowboys have finished 28th in open percentage (open target with separation of at least three yards when ball arrives). And most damning, the Cowboys finished 29th in yards after catch percentage, which is total yards after catch divided by total receiving yards. In every one of these stats, the Cowboys’ passing offense is in the bottom 25 percent of the league. Look, we all know that they need better playmakers (Noah Brown and Michael Gallup were two of the NFL’s weakest, high-volume receivers at getting separation in 2022), but you also have to run route concepts that lean into the possibility of big plays. Was Dallas productive as an offense? Yes. But, it also never deviated from what it had been doing. And that is to be one of the worst “yards after catch” teams in the league this whole time. Passing yards were accumulated by the pass itself and not a play afterwards. You might claim that this is all because of a QB holding back the team, but again, we saw this with Romo and we saw this with several different play callers. The bones of the offense were hooks, curls, comebacks and such. It never evolved. With Brandin Cooks and Lamb, we may have something new, but I would start with what routes are getting called the most. And I will tell you, I don’t want to see “all-curls” ever called again for a Dallas offense on a big third down. It simply has run its course.

As I told Ted, I don’t mind Moore at all. But, these three things told me it was probably a decent time for Mike McCarthy to make a change. I think Moore has every opportunity to turn into something of a much better coach as he develops, but no, I don’t think they are letting Sean Payton II go right now. Moore is still figuring out what he is and believes. He seemed to be running a lot of Linehan’s stuff and when I see Kansas City and San Francisco and even McCarthy’s old offense in Green Bay, they all were able to find far more separation and yards after catch. There must be a better answer.

In five years, is Moore one of the top head coaches in the NFL? It’s possible. But, for now, he seemed to be a man who had a lot of great ideas, but no convincing overview and philosophy that told you he knew the answers to all of the tests.
It is now Dallas’ job to make sure the next chapter of its offense addresses these three issues.
 
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Interview Gruden, Carroll, Johnson or Brady to prove to the fanbase that you did a wide, diligent search on par with what the Bears are doing. None of this "we knew Kellen was our guy from the beginning" bullshit.
 

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Moore will be head coach next year.


With Witten on the staff.
Are you willing to Bradie Bottle Lock that shit?
 

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Moore will be head coach next year.


With Witten on the staff.
Sadly I think you are right. I just don’t see any options that fit Jerry’s MO.
 

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The reason why I say Zimmer is I think Saleh and Frazier are going to say no thanks to DC.
I could see a chance of Saleh turning up here, if only just to keep his name in lights. I think the guy got screwed over badly with the Diva Rodgers.
 

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If Moore is the coach, I'm splitting for good. What would be the point?
It would be a most underwhelming hire, but I couldn't just walk away.

Way I was raised

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