Eagles at Cowboys | Week 17 Gameday Chatter Thread | 12/29/13

[mcnuttz]

Kidd, have you been watching Romo this year?

He'd have probably missed Dez as well. About two weeks ago there was an article that mentioned that on passes that traveled 25 yards or more in the air, Romo had only connected with Dez on something like 2 of 19.

That's horrid.

Exactly, plays that used to be his bread & butter with T.O.

 

[data]

Did you even know this was a rule? From nfl.com
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The NFL has admitted an officiating error in Sunday's Kansas City Chiefs-San Diego Chargers game that played a role in determining the league's playoff field.

"With 0:08 remaining in the fourth quarter of Sunday's game between the Kansas City Chiefs and San Diego Chargers, Kansas City faced a fourth-and-12 from the San Diego 23. The Chiefs attempted a 41-yard field that was no good," the league said in a statement.

"On the play, San Diego lined up with seven men on one side of the snapper. This should have been penalized as an illegal formation by the defense.

"Rule 9, Section 1, Article 3(b)(1) of the NFL Rule Book (page 51) states that 'No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap.' The rule was adopted this year as a player safety measure.

"The penalty for illegal formation by the defense is a loss of five yards. This rule is not subject to instant replay review.

 

[Jiggyfly]

Come talk to me when he learns how to read defensive coverages. The last time I checked, all he plays is the same reckless sandlot football as Romo. And the last time I checked, that doesn't get us very far....and Romo can read coverages. Manziel will be a massive bust in the NFL unless he learns how to diagnose coverages...and quickly.

Manziel took a massive leap forward this year in reading coverages anybody that watched him play this year could see that.

You need to come up with something else to complain about with Manziel.

 

[Jiggyfly]

The lone bright spot heading into next year is the fact the O-Line looks really good, they kept Orton upright all game which was my biggest worry.

I would draft for guard depth somebody who could push Berny, but they could easily be a top 10 unit.

To bad Garrett will just waste their prime years as well.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't call Orton's play poor. It was solid, IMO. I'd even say he played well if we're grading on a curve due to him being a backup QB.

In far too many of these do or die games Romo's made the exact same mistakes that Orton made. And if you're honest with yourself you would acknowledge that.

Based on that history I doubt the Cowboys win with Romo.

Orton was solid if you Take away the two picks. And of course you can't take them away. Those picks along with Murray's fumble lost the game. We even had a chance to win at the end if not for Orton's brutal interception throw.

This is Orton's 70th career start and he gets paid big money for a backup. So no, no curve. The whole point of him being here is to lessen the drop off between Romo and the backup.

It's funny how some people were saying we might be better off with Orton because of the notion that Romo shits the bed in big games. Then Orton goes out and does exactly that and a lot if people want to give Orton a free pass. Fuck that.

As an aside, it's funny how every Romo-shits-the-bed game (excluding the Seattle playoff game, which wasn't a fuckup as a QB) has come under Garrett. And now Orton does the same thing. Maybe our piss poor game manager is the common denominator. Only a fucking retard like Jerry would waste a talent like Romo with a nice coach like Garrett. Get a real coach in here in 2007 and the narrative of Romo and this whole team could have been different.

Back to the game, it's funny how even those propping Orton and denegrating Romo admit Romo is the better QB. So if Romo is the better QB, isn't it logical to assume that the 2 points we lost by could be made up by playing Romo? If we lost by 30, then yeah playing Romo wouldn't have mattered. But losing by 2? You Romo probably would have made up the difference.

As far as throwing picks, Romo only threw 10 this season so let's not act like he would've thrown 2 like Orton did.

 

[ravidubey]

The way the defense played a healthy Romo definitely wins that game. But injuries are part of football and Romo was out, so too bad for us.

 

[Deuce]

Orton was solid if you Take away the two picks. And of course you can't take them away. Those picks along with Murray's fumble lost the game. We even had a chance to win at the end if not for Orton's brutal interception throw.

This is Orton's 70th career start and he gets paid big money for a backup. So no, no curve. The whole point of him being here is to lessen the drop off between Romo and the backup.

It's funny how some people were saying we might be better off with Orton because of the notion that Romo shits the bed in big games. Then Orton goes out and does exactly that and a lot if people want to give Orton a free pass. Fuck that.

As an aside, it's funny how every Romo-shits-the-bed game (excluding the Seattle playoff game, which wasn't a fuckup as a QB) has come under Garrett. And now Orton does the same thing. Maybe our piss poor game manager is the common denominator. Only a fucking retard like Jerry would waste a talent like Romo with a nice coach like Garrett. Get a real coach in here in 2007 and the narrative of Romo and this whole team could have been different.

Back to the game, it's funny how even those propping Orton and denegrating Romo admit Romo is the better QB. So if Romo is the better QB, isn't it logical to assume that the 2 points we lost by could be made up by playing Romo? If we lost by 30, then yeah playing Romo wouldn't have mattered. But losing by 2? You Romo probably would have made up the difference.

As far as throwing picks, Romo only threw 10 this season so let's not act like he would've thrown 2 like Orton did.

I certainly won't give Orton a free pass for his last pick. It was the right read, but a poor throw. His first pick, however, was on Witten. Dropped passes are inexcesable as it is, but for the drop to fly up and into the arms of the defender isn't on Orton. It's bad luck.

Overall, I think Orton did well. I think he did so well the first 3 Q that Garrett felt comfortable abandoning the run game in the 4th (shocking, I know.) to let him win it. That's what got us in trouble.

 

[NoDak]

It's funny how some people were saying we might be better off with Orton because of the notion that Romo shits the bed in big games. Then Orton goes out and does exactly that and a lot if people want to give Orton a free pass. Fuck that.

Yep. As soon as Orton threw that final pick, people were quick to blame Austin for a lazy route. How about it was just a shitty pass, thrown behind him? Pretty much a carbon copy of the one thrown to Witten.

If that was Romo, the torches would have been already lit. But because it was Orton, it's the receivers fault?

Huh?

 

[Genghis Khan]

I certainly won't give Orton a free pass for his last pick. It was the right read, but a poor throw. His first pick, however, was on Witten. Dropped passes are inexcesable as it is, but for the drop to fly up and into the arms of the defender isn't on Orton. It's bad luck.

Overall, I think Orton did well. I think he did so well the first 3 Q that Garrett felt comfortable abandoning the run game in the 4th (shocking, I know.) to let him win it. That's what got us in trouble.

I'd have to see that first pass again but it certainly wasn't a good pass and my memory of it is that it was high and behind Witten. Collinsworth criticized Witten's effort on the throw and that he needed to adjust to it by opening his hips more. I'm sure that's true but that also speaks to a poorly thrown ball if Witten has to adjust to the throw in the first place. At the very least both players had a hand in the pick.

 

[Texas Ace]

Yep. As soon as Orton threw that final pick, people were quick to blame Austin for a lazy route. How about it was just a shitty pass, thrown behind him? Pretty much a carbon copy of the one thrown to Witten.

If that was Romo, the torches would have been already lit. But because it was Orton, it's the receivers fault?

Huh?

That play is 100% on Orton and it's no different than all the other back breaking interceptions Romo has thrown in that exact same situation.

 

[L.T. Fan]

I thought he played as good or better than Tony. He had one pick that was on the receiver (Witten) and a Romoesque failure in crunch time. In between, he had a shitload of yards due to size and arm strength--qualities Tony lacks.

We must have watched different games. Orton is simply not good on the long ball or he did not have sufficient reps with the vertical game receivers. He also was throwing low and hard to the short routes which negated the run after catch efforts. His intermediate passes were some times behind the receivers. For the short time he had to prepare he was okay but Romo would have been much more accurate.

 

[1bigfan13]

Yep. As soon as Orton threw that final pick, people were quick to blame Austin for a lazy route. How about it was just a shitty pass, thrown behind him? Pretty much a carbon copy of the one thrown to Witten.

If that was Romo, the torches would have been already lit. But because it was Orton, it's the receivers fault?

Huh?

Who is saying that the INTs weren't Orton's fault? The media? Those were bad throws.

 

[Texas Ace]

We must have watched different games. Orton is simply not good on the long ball or he did not have sufficient reps with the vertical game receivers. He also was throwing low and hard to the short routes which negated the run after catch efforts. His intermediate passes were some times behind the receivers. For the short time he had to prepare he was okay but Romo would have been much more accurate.

That's what Romo had done all year long.

Been poor on the deep ball, behind or high to receivers on the crossing and intermediate stuff, and throws back breaking picks.

If anything, Orton did a fantastic job imitating Romo last night.

I saw no better or no worse.

 

[1bigfan13]

That's what Romo had done all year long.

Been poor on the deep ball, behind or high to receivers on the crossing and intermediate stuff, and throws back breaking picks.

If anything, Orton did a fantastic job imitating Romo last night.

I saw no better or no worse.

I know right. Orton does practically the same thing that Romo routinely does and suddenly everyone has amnesia and can't recall all the off target passes Romo's thrown this year.

Look I get it.

Orton threw 2 INTs yesterday and was off target on some passes. But Romo has thrown 2 INTs in a game twice this year and missed on several passes as well.

 

[NoDak]

But Romo has thrown 2 INTs in a game twice this year.

That sonofabitch.

 

[dallen]

09?

Trying to get hired? We need a secondary coach

 

[Texas Ace]

I know right. Orton does practically the same thing that Romo routinely does and suddenly everyone has amnesia and can't recall all the off target passes Romo's thrown this year.

Look I get it.

Orton threw 2 INTs yesterday and was off target on some passes. But Romo has thrown 2 INTs in a game twice this year and missed on several passes as well.

Hell, the INT he threw against Green Bay just 2 weeks ago was practically identical to the one Orton threw last night.

Slant to Austin that was way behind....but yet things would've been so different with Romo?



Bullshit.

 

[1bigfan13]

That sonofabitch.

Just being fair to the discussion by pointing out that the production that Orton gave us is similar to what we'd have received from Romo. Reading some of the comments you'd think that Romo has never thrown multiple INTs in a game and always hits the receivers right between the numbers.

 

[NoDak]

Just being fair to the discussion by pointing out that the production that Orton gave us is similar to what we'd have received from Romo. Reading some of the comments you'd think that Romo has never thrown multiple INTs in a game and always hits the receivers right between the numbers.

Just thought it was funny.

Romo has thrown 2 interceptions in a game twice this year. TWICE, I TELL YOU!!

 

[bbgun]

That's what Romo had done all year long.

Been poor on the deep ball, behind or high to receivers on the crossing and intermediate stuff, and throws back breaking picks.

If anything, Orton did a fantastic job imitating Romo last night.

I saw no better or no worse.

He was woefully inaccurate in the first Skins game on SNF and was consistently underthrowing Dez vs. the Packers. I like Tony, and am not lobbying for an open competition in camp next year, but let's get real.