2023 Season | Wildcard Sunday | Packers at Cowboys | Gameday Chatter thread | 1/14/2024

[Tony D]

I don't get it. Those deep Doubs completions are, save for a sack, what you want. Off back-foot floaters into the middle of the field.

Those completions weren't schemed. All broken plays.

How, on multiple occasions, we didn't have anyone in the vicinity to at least disrupt the completion is mindblowing.

That's not a broken play. That's a pattern and throw that was made when we blitzed. We showed blitzed too early and Love changed the play. He knew where he was throwing that ball.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh stop. You would've said hardly any of that before the game. They looked more talented today because those players had better fucking coaches, better play calling, better schemes. The Packers struggled to beat teams like the Bucs and Panthers recently. We out talent those teams and pull away from them and blow them out.

Yes I would. I've said for years that Dak goes into brainlock vs better defenses and/or in big moments. I hoped the new OC and system would help, and it did some, but it couldn't overcome Dak's nature, I guess. Love made some plays today that Dak simply can't make. He's not a finished product yet, but he's probably more talented than Dak.

And our players are very overrated. That's not to say we have no talent, but what we do have is very overstated. Has Zack Martin been All-Pro this year? Hell no. Not even close.

FWIW, I do agree with you that Jerry gets blamed for some stuff that isn't his fault. But ultimately, this is all his show.

 

[Cujo]

Coaching is re-arranging deck chairs. You probably aren’t getting a better coach than McCarthy, even if it’s Belichick. I’m not sure Belichick today is better than McCarthy.

If you can’t fire the GM the most impactful thing, the only thing that truly separates the mediocre teams from one another, is a great QB, and we don’t have one.

I’d just keep taking shots at QBs. Nothing else will do a damn thing.

I agree with this. McCarthy didn't forget how to coach. It's the organization. The infection starts at the top.

 

[chevycowboys]

Does Jerry get this team prepared for a game? Or does McCarthy and Quinn and the rest of the staff?

Dude you can argue about it all you want. But former players have already commented on the circus that goes on in Dallas behind closed doors. That shit didn’t happen with Jimmy and Parcells. The players knew who the boss was. Camp cupcake is not what this team needs

 

[Simpleton]

Yes I would. I've said for years that Dak goes into brainlock vs better defenses and/or in big moments. I hoped the new OC and system would help, and it did some, but it couldn't overcome Dak's nature, I guess. Love made some plays today that Dak simply can't make. He's not a finished product yet, but he's probably more talented than Dak.

And our players are very overrated. That's not to say we have no talent, but what we do have is very overstated. Has Zack Martin been All-Pro this year? Hell no. Not even close.

FWIW, I do agree with you that Jerry gets blamed for some stuff that isn't his fault. But ultimately, this is all his show.

Some aspects are overrated but drawing conclusions based on a historically bad performance isn't a good idea either.

There's a reason we went 12-5 and the Packers snuck in at 9-8 and it's because we have top level talent, one of the better rosters in the league. I agree that certain guys are overrated but we're significantly better than Green Bay talent wise and that's why we finished 3 games better in the regular season.

I say roll the dice on Belichick, see if he can get these morons past their mental block, and if not then tear it down.

 

[Tony D]

Yeah the only thing I’d give him a benefit of the doubt on is if Jerry and Co didn’t give him what he needed to run his D, is it really his fault? Trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. My memory of his Seattle D units were fast, physical LBers, big DL/pressure DEs and stellar S play. None of which he has in Dallas.

He's been here long enough. There's no way this far in he's not getting the types of players he wants. I mean the dude has turned down head coaching jobs. For what? To be a DC where the players don't fit his scheme? Not buying it.

 

[Simpleton]

I agree with this. McCarthy didn't forget how to coach. It's the organization. The infection starts at the top.

I don't think Jerry or whoever had anything to do with this performance today, the team was scared to not meet expectations and came out tight and jittery. Lamb was the prime example and the fact that McCarthy had to give him a pep talk halfway through the first quarter illustrated that anxiety the entire group had.

 

[Simpleton]

He's been here long enough. There's no way this far in he's not getting the types of players he wants. I mean the dude has turned down head coaching jobs. For what? To be a DC where the players don't fit his scheme? Not buying it.

He's had a significant say in the personnel brought in.

 

[data]

Dude you can argue about it all you want. But former players have already commented on the circus that goes on in Dallas behind closed doors. That shit didn’t happen with Jimmy and Parcells. The players knew who the boss was. Camp cupcake is not what this team needs

Kinda like throwing a party but having your parents kicking it in the corner.

Everyone notices and behavior affected.

 

[ravidubey]

If McCarthy's job is in question then Dak's should be as well?

I agree Dak!

He feels safe enough to say this because he knows he’s the one Cowboy besides Jerry who can’t be fired.

 

[Tony D]

Dude you can argue about it all you want. But former players have already commented on the circus that goes on in Dallas behind closed doors. That shit didn’t happen with Jimmy and Parcells. The players knew who the boss was. Camp cupcake is not what this team needs

Of course its a circus. McCarthy has absolutely made it at least seem less Ike a circus, brought some consistency. But he definitely doesn't get his team up for big games and definitely has trouble beating teams with more talent on paper. Good coaches in the NFL can do that. That's on him, not Jerry.

Jerry sucks, but you can't just blame him for every single thing bad that happens.

I'm just talking about motivating your team to play a big game. That's it. How is that Jerry's fault?

 

[Couchcoach]

How did McCarthy make him throw those two picks? That pick six would be embarrassing to a junior high QB. And then a third was dropped.

Had that third pick not been dropped, the game would have been put away sooner than it was

 

[data]

well, onto the rest of tonight's game

 

[Tony D]

How did McCarthy make him throw those two picks? That pick six would be embarrassing to a junior high QB. And then a third was dropped.

I'm replying to chevy who said Dak was the reason we were down 14-0.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Some aspects are overrated but drawing conclusions based on a historically bad performance isn't a good idea either.

There's a reason we went 12-5 and the Packers snuck in at 9-8 and it's because we have top level talent, one of the better rosters in the league. I agree that certain guys are overrated but we're significantly better than Green Bay talent wise and that's why we finished 3 games better in the regular season.

That's fair, but I also think it's fair to state that they are a very young team led by a very young QB in his first year starting. And he, and they, improved tremendously as the year went on. They were a different team at the end of the year than at the beginning.

I say roll the dice on Belichick, see if he can get these morons past their mental block, and if not then tear it down.

See, I seem to be one of the few who loves Belichick. I think he's awesome. I love the way he goes about his business. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

But I don't think he can overcome Dak. What's he on, his fourth OC now? And he's going into his ninth year? I think he's at his limit.

To me, the best thing about BB is maybe he could have some clear eyes on which players on this team can play and which ones can't. And maybe Jerry would listen to him on that, which I don't think he does very often around here.

But I seriously doubt Jerry would listen to even him.

 

[shane]

Jerry sucks, but you can't just blame him for every single thing bad that happens.

I'm just talking about motivating your team to play a big game. That's it. How is that Jerry's fault?

McCarthy is a dud, his scheming has been mediocre at best, his game management down the stretch in games has been shit, and he can’t motivate the team in big games.

He is better than Garrett was but that’s not good enough. Fat boy has got to go.

 

[dpf1123]

Since the 90's, we've never had assassins on either side of the ball. The team leader who stepped up when the pressure was on. I thought maybe that was Parsons, but it's not. Romo folded when the pressure got too high, and Dak is somehow worse.

We've consistently had teams that punch down well, but never punch up. When was the last time this team did something like GB just did? Big underdog, on the road and came out throwing haymakers. Maybe ending Brady's career last year but BFD.

Maybe we should have seen this coming. I was mocking who the Packers beat coming into this game. We beat up on a cratering Eagles team, barely beat a Seattle team that didn't make the playoffs, were not competitive against the Bills, and probably should have lost to Detroit. Neither side of the ball looked good over the last half of the season unless we were playing the NFC East

 

[Tony D]

Packers had nothing to lose and played like it. Free and easy. Cowboys played tight and like the weight of the world was on their shoulders.

 

[Sheik]

I’m actually struggling to even strategize about what should happen next with this squad.

It’s like, what changes if anything changes? Nothing really. There’s no way we’ve managed to draft and sign players and coaches over the last 15-20 years that just do the same things in the playoffs no matter what.

It’s the franchise and how they operate. No coach or cluster of players is going to
change the issues with that team.

 

[Simpleton]

I’m actually struggling to even strategize about what should happen next with this squad.

It’s like, what changes if anything changes? Nothing really. There’s no way we’ve managed to draft and sign players and coaches over the last 15-20 years that just do the same things in the playoffs no matter what.

It’s the franchise and how they operate. No coach or cluster of players is going to
change the issues with that team.

That's why I'd roll the dice on Belichick recapturing some of his magic and let's see what happens. If it doesn't work out you start all over, and by then Jerry may be dead so hey.