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That shouldn't have even been a path. But we already decided we will roll with him this year. I'm not going to let a major asset roll out the door for shit because he is "too expensive"
I’m letting him go because he pisses down his leg and shits the bed against teams above .500 and in the playoffs. You don’t pay a B level player A+ money, especially when he gives you C level quality when it matters.
 

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Why would he? Everyone says he’s got the cowboys by the nuts. Why would he want to give that leverage up?

If the team won't give him the contract he wants, and another team will, why would he want to wait a year to go to that team? Take the money now and move on now.

Players waive their no trade clause fairly commonly.

I'm not saying he definitely would, but I am saying they could have traded him despite the no trade clause.
 

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If the team won't give him the contract he wants, and another team will, why would he want to wait a year to go to that team? Take the money now and move on now.

Players waive their no trade clause fairly commonly.

I'm not saying he definitely would, but I am saying they could have traded him despite the no trade clause.
They do waive them, a no trade clause is just a tool to pick the team you're traded to.
 

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I’m letting him go because he pisses down his leg and shits the bed against teams above .500 and in the playoffs. You don’t pay a B level player A+ money, especially when he gives you C level quality when it matters.
And you just learned this now. In my opinion you've already hitched your wagon. And my timeline is the same as your timeline. Just costs more money and has more wins in the meantime.
 

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And you just learned this now. In my opinion you've already hitched your wagon. And my timeline is the same as your timeline. Just costs more money and has more wins in the meantime.
No, it’s not, because I’m letting him walk after the season, not paying him and then eating 2-3 more years of this crap. Dump him and avoid the “what happens next with Dak??” media talk, because that’s all they’ll talk about the moment he signs, and the triple the volume when he fails again in the playoffs.
 

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No, it’s not, because I’m letting him walk after the season, not paying him and then eating 2-3 more years of this crap. Dump him and avoid the “what happens next with Dak??” media talk, because that’s all they’ll talk about the moment he signs, and the triple the volume when he fails again in the playoffs.
So you won't even have a young QB to develop in 2025. You don't have the picks to do it. So you're drafting your guy probably in 2026. Or you took a mediocre QB in 2025 and waste the next 2 years after finding out he is trash.

Either way, I'm getting the pick to get an elite QB a couple years from now. And at least am participating in the playoffs during the mean time.

When you have an NFL player who has value. More value than a third round pick. You're a loser if you let that guy walk out the door over money. It's just a fact. Complete waste of resources. Like dumping Cooper for a fifth level of stupidity.

But if it were up to me Dak would have been gone at the beginning of free agency and I'd be looking at Lance starting and having a top 5 pick along with 2 to 3 extra first round picks. So don't take this as me being a huge fan of Dak.
 

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I’m letting him go because he pisses down his leg and shits the bed against teams above .500 and in the playoffs. You don’t pay a B level player A+ money, especially when he gives you C level quality when it matters.

Absolutely. I really don't care how long it takes to find another qb. At least there's hope in that direction. With Dak, there is none.
 

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When you have an NFL player who has value. More value than a third round pick. You're a loser if you let that guy walk out the door over money. It's just a fact. Complete waste of resources. Like dumping Cooper for a fifth level of stupidity.

But if it were up to me Dak would have been gone at the beginning of free agency and I'd be looking at Lance starting and having a top 5 pick along with 2 to 3 extra first round picks. So don't take this as me being a huge fan of Dak.

Agreed on all counts.

I would also have done everything I could to trade him in the off season.

But now that ship has sailed. They have no good option left but to sign him to whatever.

Because letting him walk after the season for nothing but a comp pick is as insanely nonsensical as trading Amari for a 5th. It's a non-option as far as I'm concerned.
 

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So you won't even have a young QB to develop in 2025. You don't have the picks to do it. So you're drafting your guy probably in 2026. Or you took a mediocre QB in 2025 and waste the next 2 years after finding out he is trash.

Either way, I'm getting the pick to get an elite QB a couple years from now. And at least am participating in the playoffs during the mean time.

When you have an NFL player who has value. More value than a third round pick. You're a loser if you let that guy walk out the door over money. It's just a fact. Complete waste of resources. Like dumping Cooper for a fifth level of stupidity.

But if it were up to me Dak would have been gone at the beginning of free agency and I'd be looking at Lance starting and having a top 5 pick along with 2 to 3 extra first round picks. So don't take this as me being a huge fan of Dak.
You seem to think that this organization will attempt to groom a young QB with Dak under a massive new contract. I’m 100% certain that won’t happen.
 

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You seem to think that this organization will attempt to groom a young QB with Dak under a massive new contract. I’m 100% certain that won’t happen.
Even a massive new contract is only a 4 year deal. Dak isn't signing anything longer than that.

I don't trust this organization to do anything right. All I know is you have to be retarded to let a QB walk for a third round comp pick when the QB has trade value of more than one first round pick. After being runner up in the MVP would have been prime time to pimp him.
 

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Okay.

You just asked a bullet train to Hell.

I hope that works out for you.
How long do you give someone to prove their worth?. Dak has used stats on inferior opponents in the league to continually push his cost to the being the best in the league. What has it yielded except a wait till next tear mentality?. It is now to where the team seemingly can’t do without him.Are you okay paying him to have a decent year because I should think by now it should be clear that he isn’t in the category of a bringing home the bacon.
 

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Even a massive new contract is only a 4 year deal. Dak isn't signing anything longer than that.

I don't trust this organization to do anything right. All I know is you have to be retarded to let a QB walk for a third round comp pick when the QB has trade value of more than one first round pick. After being runner up in the MVP would have been prime time to pimp him.
The likelihood of them trading him is near zero, so it has little to do with the idea of letting him walk being “retarded”. Jerry is too stupid to do the right thing, which would be to let him pick a team to be traded to and send him there. But he’d be equally as stupid to sign him to an extension because that would guarantee that we won’t draft a QB for 2-3 more years, which truly is fucking retarded, poor comp pick value or otherwise. You let him leave, because keeping him puts you in draft purgatory. You’ll never suck enough for a good pick, and you’ll never win anything of note. And, he’ll suck up so much of the cap where we’ll have no money to sign anyone else, even if we wanted to.
 

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The likelihood of them trading him is near zero, so it has little to do with the idea of letting him walk being “retarded”. Jerry is too stupid to do the right thing, which would be to let him pick a team to be traded to and send him there. But he’d be equally as stupid to sign him to an extension because that would guarantee that we won’t draft a QB for 2-3 more years, which truly is fucking retarded, poor comp pick value or otherwise. You let him leave, because keeping him puts you in draft purgatory. You’ll never suck enough for a good pick, and you’ll never win anything of note. And, he’ll suck up so much of the cap where we’ll have no money to sign anyone else, even if we wanted to.
The liklihood of them trading him is zero. That's true, doesn't make it the right choice but I agree. Just like Jerry isn't going to let him walk out the door with no contract either. The only reason there is a chance of Dak walking out the door is because Jerry may not have a choice if Dak tells him to fuck off. Jerry can't franchise him and he can't force him to sign a new deal. If Dak wants out, he can be out.
 

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The liklihood of them trading him is zero. That's true, doesn't make it the right choice but I agree. Just like Jerry isn't going to let him walk out the door with no contract either. The only reason there is a chance of Dak walking out the door is because Jerry may not have a choice if Dak tells him to fuck off. Jerry can't franchise him and he can't force him to sign a new deal. If Dak wants out, he can be out.

From the start of negotiations for the current contract years ago (even during his rookie deal), they've badly - almost comically - mishandled it every step of the way. To the point that they've backed themselves into a corner and the player holds just about all the cards.

To the point that now they can't franchise him, they can't trade him without his consent, and he can just about name his price. And on top of that, he can pretty much demand the exact same situation again - no trade and no franchise. If they don't he can walk for essentially nothing. All this for a guy who is a top 10 - 20 most valuable player in the league (because he is a top 10ish QB).

They've handled this absurdly badly for years.

It's not even about moving on or not, but whether they can get real value out of one of the most valuable players in the league.

It's unconscionable that they've allowed the situation to get to this point.
 

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It is amazing how badly these hillbilly "football people" get destroyed by players in negotiations.

Look how 49ers handled Aiyuk. Got him for a relatively cheap 30 per
 

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It is amazing how badly these hillbilly "football people" get destroyed by players in negotiations.

Look how 49ers handled Aiyuk. Got him for a relatively cheap 30 per
Aiyuk should get a lot less than CeeDee, though. I don't think he's in the same class of WR.
 

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Aiyuk should get a lot less than CeeDee, though. I don't think he's in the same class of WR.
Not sure about that. 49ers run the ball way more and Aiyuk has improved every year like Lamb. He also averaged almost 18 yards per catch in 2023.

Aiyuk's biggest problem was he didn't want to go anywhere else. He shitcanned trades to Pats, Browns, and maybe even Steelers. They knew they had him.
 

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Not sure about that. 49ers run the ball way more and Aiyuk has improved every year like Lamb. He also averaged almost 18 yards per catch in 2023.

Aiyuk's biggest problem was he didn't want to go anywhere else. He shitcanned trades to Pats, Browns, and maybe even Steelers. They knew they had him.
Aiyuk had a fantastic season and he knows he owed a good portion of it to the rest of the offense creating opportunities. He is a strong WR talent, but not one who would lead the league in any category were he not on the 49ers.

Lamb flat out carried the Cowboys. Of course Dallas played some awful competition, but Lamb absolutely led the way. He is truly a #1 WR, while Aiyuk might be but we don’t know for sure.
 

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From the start of negotiations for the current contract years ago (even during his rookie deal), they've badly - almost comically - mishandled it every step of the way. To the point that they've backed themselves into a corner and the player holds just about all the cards.

To the point that now they can't franchise him, they can't trade him without his consent, and he can just about name his price. And on top of that, he can pretty much demand the exact same situation again - no trade and no franchise. If they don't he can walk for essentially nothing. All this for a guy who is a top 10 - 20 most valuable player in the league (because he is a top 10ish QB).

They've handled this absurdly badly for years.

It's not even about moving on or not, but whether they can get real value out of one of the most valuable players in the league.

It's unconscionable that they've allowed the situation to get to this point.
 
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