Supporting Lamb and Parsons

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We all know the situation with Dak, good but not great QB, overpaid but plenty good enough to get us in the playoffs as a high seed, but he's never going to elevate a flawed team by himself to a Super Bowl run. With all that said, we have two very special players in Lamb and Parsons who are top 3ish in the league at their respective positions and both likely future HOF'ers, health willing.

Lamb finished the season 9th in the league in receiving yards despite missing the last two games and playing half a season with a backup QB.

Parsons finished tied for 5th in the league in sacks in 13 damn games, and after spending about half the season down big, which means not many great clear pass-rushing situations to take advantage of. I think we led the league in sacks from the Eagles game onward when Parsons returned, and near the top in turnovers forced. This is regardless of personnel changes, injuries, the offense often sputtering, switching from Quinn to Zimmer, so on and so forth.

For me the focus of the offseason has to be finding "force multipliers" to accelerate the impact these two have, which is probably our best chance at making a Super Bowl run if things miraculously fall in place. We all know that's not happening in FA, at least not external FA, although I think a key part of supporting Parsons is bringing back a handful of the defensive FA's (Osa, Golston, etc.). So we're basically left with looking towards the draft for these additions:

Lamb - Like many have said, we need another playmaker on offense who changes the fact that the gameplan for most opposing defense is "Stop Lamb", and roll the dice with the rest. That needs to change ASAP, whether it's more explosiveness at RB, WR or even TE. It doesn't necessarily mean we need upgrades at 2-3 of those positions, but we need to find at least one potential gamebreaker at one of those positions. I don't really see how we can do that at WR or TE outside of the 1st (McMillan or Warren), although I think we could get a RB outside of the 1st who fits the bill (Hampton, Johnson, Sampson, etc.).

Parsons - The focus needs to be on adding either another pass-rusher (interior or edge) or another massive NT who can shut down the run and make Parsons' life easier by forcing teams into obvious passing situations. Obviously there will be guys available in the 1st who fit the bill, but I think there is depth through the 2nd and maybe even 3rd on the front 7. You should have interior guys like Tyleik Williams, Deone Walker, Shemar Turner, TJ Sanders and Norman-Lott on the interior, and guys like Ezeiruaku, Kennard, Josaiah Stewart and Landon Jackson on the edge dropping to at least the 2nd, and maybe even the 3rd with a few of them.

So what I'm getting at here is unless there's a clear and obvious BPA Lamb-like situation, this better be the focus in the first 2-3 rounds. Given our current roster I don't consider an OL in the first or someone like Starks much of a force multiplier, although I would consider going OL or DB in the 2nd or 3rd.
 

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Whomever we pick has to be a difference maker. Another rusher would be ideal. Where we pick, there might be temptation to grab an OL though.
 

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I bet they don't value edge because, you know, we have Sam Williams coming back.

And you know he'll be 100% because he'll be as diligent and conscientious with his rehab as he is with every other part of his life.
 

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I bet they don't value edge because, you know, we have Sam Williams coming back.

And you know he'll be 100% because he'll be as diligent and conscientious with his rehab as he is with every other part of his life.
This narrative is over played. Every single person we draft has somebody already on the roster that they're replacing.

Williams is far from being somebody that has earned the so-called family portrait status that people love talking about.
 

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OL would be a great addition no matter what.

But I agree we do need another offensive skill player who defenses have to gameplan for
 

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I bet they don't value edge because, you know, we have Sam Williams coming back.

And you know he'll be 100% because he'll be as diligent and conscientious with his rehab as he is with every other part of his life.
I mean I hope Sam Williams does come back strong. Talented guy but he has a two cent head. You just don't know what you'll get. Other than maybe some penalties.
 

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This narrative is over played. Every single person we draft has somebody already on the roster that they're replacing.

Williams is far from being somebody that has earned the so-called family portrait status that people love talking about.
Yeah by this logic we wouldn't have drafted Kneeland last year. This team loves pass rushers. With Lawrence likely heading out the door I don't see them suddenly deciding they don't want one.
 

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I mean I hope Sam Williams does come back strong. Talented guy but he has a two cent head. You just don't know what you'll get. Other than maybe some penalties.
I like Sam Williams. Is he a meathead? Sure. But he has talent. Hopefully it's just a maturity thing, and as he gets a little older, he grows out of it. If he doesn't? Oh well. Sucks, but it's not team crushing, either.
 

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I like Sam Williams. Is he a meathead? Sure. But he has talent. Hopefully it's just a maturity thing, and as he gets a little older, he grows out of it. If he doesn't? Oh well. Sucks, but it's not team crushing, either.
Pretty much how I feel. Some guys mature as they get older. Others stay the same. And truth is some knuckle heads have been very successful in the NFL and some wash out. Would I like to see the guy become an impact player? Of course I would. But it won't impact anyone's draft strategy.
 

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Whomever we pick has to be a difference maker. Another rusher would be ideal. Where we pick, there might be temptation to grab an OL though.
I just don't see it at OL this year in the first.

I actually like the possible value in the 2nd/3rd but I just don't see a guy like Banks or Campbell being a slam dunk BPA where we pick over Jeanty, McMillan or any number of front 7 players.

I love investing in the OL but we need to diversify the resource allocation a bit with 2 of our last 3 1st's going to the OL, on top of the fact that we've developed some nice young players even aside from the studs like Smith and Beebe.
 

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Williams is far from being somebody that has earned the so-called family portrait status that people love talking about.
No one but Garrett has that status, but Williams was said to be a Jerry favorite, which makes sense because he loves his high-ceiling players so much.

I was partly kidding, but I really do bet they have him penciled in as a good starter next year.
 

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I just don't see it at OL this year in the first.

I actually like the possible value in the 2nd/3rd but I just don't see a guy like Banks or Campbell being a slam dunk BPA where we pick over Jeanty, McMillan or any number of front 7 players.

I love investing in the OL but we need to diversify the resource allocation a bit with 2 of our last 3 1st's going to the OL, on top of the fact that we've developed some nice young players even aside from the studs like Smith and Beebe.
There is an outside shot that one of the top two OTs in Campbell/Simmons is what is left at 12.

If I am looking at the dozen likely to go first, you have guys like Campbell, Simmons, Grant, Tyler Warren, Pearce and Burden.

If things break in an off way, a trade down may be the only way to not only get impact and some more.
 

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There is an outside shot that one of the top two OTs in Campbell/Simmons is what is left at 12.

If I am looking at the dozen likely to go first, you have guys like Campbell, Simmons, Grant, Tyler Warren, Pearce and Burden.

If things break in an off way, a trade down may be the only way to not only get impact and some more.
If we trade down 5-10 slots I'd feel a bit better going OL, although I'd honestly probably rather go with someone like Nolen or Mike Green, or obviously one of the guys you mentioned like Grant, Pearce or Warren.
 

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If we trade down 5-10 slots I'd feel a bit better going OL, although I'd honestly probably rather go with someone like Nolen or Mike Green, or obviously one of the guys you mentioned like Grant, Pearce or Warren.
If we trade down 5-10 slots I'd feel a bit better going OL, although I'd honestly probably rather go with someone like Nolen or Mike Green, or obviously one of the guys you mentioned like Grant, Pearce or Warren.
Yeah even in a trade down, I target guys that might have an impact. Egbuka gets more attractive if you drop into the late teens-early twenties too.
 

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Yeah even in a trade down, I target guys that might have an impact. Egbuka gets more attractive if you drop into the late teens-early twenties too.
Yep, I forgot him, he'd definitely be on the list if we move back like that.

I'm generally open to an OL but it has to be a clear BPA situation, like if we trade down to 18 and Banks or Campbell are somehow there, but other than that I'm primarily looking at the skill positions and front 7.
 

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I'd hope for more than that if we're trading down from 12 to like 18-20ish, but yea that's the idea for sure.
Yeah my hope is you're talking second round+ if you moving down. Or future first. I'm not moving down that far for a third or fourth round pick. That would be silly.
 

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Yeah my hope is you're talking second round+ if you moving down. Or future first. I'm not moving down that far for a third or fourth round pick. That would be silly.
We got a mid-3rd for dropping 10 to 12 for Parsons. That’s the starting point from Jones’ own value chart
 
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