QB Performance & W-L Correlation Thread

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Premise: QBs are highly associated and scrutinized for their W-L record, yet are only 1 of 22 starters (not including "idiot kickers", /Peyton). This may unfairly influence a QB's reputation, for better or worse. Cliche example is Dan Marino vs SB-winning Trent Dilfer. I hope to provide insight on the correlation of a QB's passing performance (rushing stats excluded for now) and their W-L record. Which QBs were better supported by their surrounding cast to win a game even with a subpar passing game? Conversely, which QBs were saddled with the most pressure to be perfect to win a game? Ultimately, which QBs got more credit for being a winner or loser than they really should've?

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NOTES:
1. Although NFL's QB Rating (not ESPN's) isn't perfect, it's simplest to throw down onto paper for now. Later, I may revise to ANY/A or frankenstein my own method (including QB rushing TDs or even delete all TDs (QB passes 99 yards but RB with 1 yard TD so QB no credit, is this accurate?)). I figure NFL's QB rating is accurate enough, though.
2. Qualifying Games - I can change this easily (if you want to see scenarios), but a qualifying game has more than 17 pass attempts.
3. Ranges of QB Rating - Also open to changing this, but will purposely have overlapping QB Rating ranges to minimize harsh cut-offs (ie 79.9 QBR games being excluded from 80.0-85.0 range).
4. Qualifying Seasons (Prime) - With focus on QB in their prime, I'll be eliminating certain outlier seasons (ie rookie year, battling nagging injuries, way past prime, etc). I'll try to stick to ~7 seasons and may even divide a QB's career into multiple parts.

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Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Jim Kelly
Brett Favre
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Joe Montana
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QB Passer Rating Categories
ELITE (115+ Passer Rating)
GREAT (95 - 115)
SOLID (85 - 100)
AVG (75 - 90)
POOR (BELOW 80)
* I added overlapping ranges to minimize stats being skewed due to cutoffs (ie, if many 75.1 AVG games were missed in POOR)

TONY ROMO, 110 games total (2007-2014)
- Excluded partial 'rookie' 2006 season & included healthy games from 2008 and 2010 (with 18+ passes attempted).

Overall: 69 Wins - 41 Losses (63% Win), 98.0 Passer Rating
ELITE: 26-4, 87% Win
GREAT: 23-13, 64%
SOLID: 11-11, 50%
AVG: 8-8, 50%
POOR: 9-16, 36%

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TOM BRADY (EARLY YEARS), 125 games total (2001-2009)
- Excluded entire 2008 injury season

Overall: 96 Wins - 29 Losses (77% Win), 93.6 Passer Rating
ELITE: 23-1, 96% Win
GREAT: 29-3, 91%
SOLID: 20-1, 95%
AVG: 20-7, 74%
POOR: 22-23, 49%

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TOM BRADY (LATER YEARS), 122 games total (2010-2017)
- Even though they won Super Bowl in 2018 and went 12-4 in 2019, I excluded these two seasons because his stats diminished starting 2018 and I already included eight full seasons.

Overall: 98 Wins - 24 Losses (80% Win), 101.4 Passer Rating
ELITE: 38-0, 100% Win
GREAT: 29-5, 85%
SOLID: 19-7, 73%
AVG: 12-7, 63%
POOR: 11-13, 46%

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ROETHLISBERGER (EARLY YEARS), 102 games total (2004-2011)
- Included his rookie year 2004 even though I usually shy away from rookie year inclusion, but team went 13-0

Overall: 68 Wins - 34 Losses (67% Win), 91.4 Passer Rating
ELITE: 22-2, 92% Win
GREAT: 22-4, 85%
SOLID: 11-7, 61%
AVG: 19-9, 68%
POOR: 10-19, 34%

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ROETHLISBERGER (LATER YEARS), 102 games total (2012-2018)
- No notes

Overall: 65 Wins - 36 Losses (64% Win), 96.1 Passer Rating
ELITE: 16-4, 80% Win
GREAT: 22-6, 79%
SOLID: 16-10, 62%
AVG: 15-10, 60%
POOR: 8-15, 35%

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PEYTON MANNING (EARLY COLTS), 108 games total (1999-2005)
- Overlapping two seasons from Peyton's LATER COLTS to fit in 7 seasons

Overall: 75 Wins - 33 Losses (69% Win), 96.6 Passer Rating
ELITE: 20-3, 87% Win
GREAT: 23-5, 82%
SOLID: 23-12, 66%
AVG: 19-7, 73%
POOR: 7-15, 32%

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PEYTON MANNING (LATER COLTS), 105 games total (2004-2010)
  • Overlapping two seasons from Peyton's EARLY COLTS to fit in 7 seasons
  • Could've included, but decided to exclude his three productive seasons with Denver

Overall: 83 Wins - 22 Losses (79% Win), 100.0 Passer Rating
ELITE: 27-3, 90% Win
GREAT: 29-5, 85%
SOLID: 20-5, 80%
AVG: 13-3, 81%
POOR: 11-11, 50%

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DREW BREES (EARLY SAINTS), 110 games total (2006-2012)
- Excluded Chargers seasons because...who cares?

Overall: 69 Wins - 41 Losses (63% Win), 98.2 Passer Rating
ELITE: 30-2, 94% Win
GREAT: 22-8, 73%
SOLID: 14-6, 70%
AVG: 9-6, 60%
POOR: 6-25, 19%

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DREW BREES (LATER SAINTS), 104 games total (2013-2019)
- No notes

Overall: 64 Wins - 40 Losses (62% Win), 104.8 Passer Rating
ELITE: 30-5, 86% Win
GREAT: 19-12, 61%
SOLID: 7-10, 41%
AVG: 7-12, 37%
POOR: 8-10, 44%

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AARON RODGERS (EARLY PACKERS), 115 games total (2008-2015)
- Overlapping three seasons from Rodgers' LATER PACKERS to fit in ~7 seasons worth of games

Overall: 78 Wins - 37 Losses (68% Win), 104.5 Passer Rating
ELITE: 39-1, 98% Win
GREAT: 24-10, 71%
SOLID: 16-8, 67%
AVG: 10-14, 42%
POOR: 3-11, 21%

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AARON RODGERS (LATER PACKERS), 109 games total (2013-2020)
- Overlapping three seasons from Rodgers' EARLY PACKERS to fit in ~7 seasons worth of games

Overall: 73 Wins - 34 Losses (68% Win), 103.1 Passer Rating
ELITE: 33-2, 94% Win
GREAT: 23-6, 79%
SOLID: 15-11, 58%
AVG: 10-9, 53%
POOR: 6-12, 33%

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JOE FLACCO (PRIME RAVENS), 111 games total (2008-2014)
- No notes

Overall: 72 Wins - 39 Losses (65% Win), 84.9 Passer Rating
ELITE: 15-2, 88% Win
GREAT: 27-5, 84%
SOLID: 16-4, 80%
AVG: 11-8, 58%
POOR: 18-26, 41%

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MATT STAFFORD (PRIME LIONS), 135 games total (2011-2018)
- No notes

Overall: 63 Wins - 65 Losses (49% Win), 90.5 Passer Rating
ELITE: 24-2, 92% Win
GREAT: 16-15, 52%
SOLID: 16-13, 55%
AVG: 13-19, 41%
POOR: 8-32, 20%

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PHILIP RIVERS (EARLY CHARGERS), 108 games total (2006-2012)
- No notes

Overall: 66 Wins - 42 Losses (61% Win), 94.1 Passer Rating
ELITE: 28-4, 88% Win
GREAT: 14-10, 58%
SOLID: 14-19, 61%
AVG: 9-10, 47%
POOR: 11-20, 35%

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PHILIP RIVERS (LATER CHARGERS), 112 games total (2013-2019)
- No notes

Overall: 53 Wins - 59 Losses (47% Win), 95.5 Passer Rating
ELITE: 26-2, 93% Win
GREAT: 17-15, 53%
SOLID: 9-17, 35%
AVG: 8-19, 30%
POOR: 2-24, 8%

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MATT RYAN (EARLY FALCONS), 108 games total (2009-2015)
- Overlapping two seasons from Ryan's LATER FALCONS to fit in 7 seasons

Overall: 61 Wins - 47 Losses (56% Win), 91.0 Passer Rating
ELITE: 16-1, 94% Win
GREAT: 21-10, 68%
SOLID: 13-13, 50%
AVG: 10-17, 37%
POOR: 12-19, 39%

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MATT RYAN (LATER FALCONS), 111 games total (2014-2020)
- Overlapping two seasons from Ryan's EARLY FALCONS to fit in 7 seasons

Overall: 53 Wins - 58 Losses (48% Win), 97.5 Passer Rating
ELITE: 19-7, 73% Win
GREAT: 18-18, 50%
SOLID: 11-18, 38%
AVG: 9-15, 38%
POOR: 7-16, 30%

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CARSON PALMER (ENTIRE BENGALS ONLY), 95 games total (2004-2010)
- No notes

Overall: 46 Wins - 49 Losses (48% Win), 87.3 Passer Rating
ELITE: 10-3, 77% Win
GREAT: 12-11, 52%
SOLID: 13-10, 57%
AVG: 7-12, 37%
POOR: 11-25, 31%

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ELI MANNING (EARLY GIANTS), 110 games total (2005-2011)
- Excluded Eli's rookie year

Overall: 66 Wins - 44 Losses (60% Win), 83.4 Passer Rating
ELITE: 10-2, 83% Win
GREAT: 13-7, 65%
SOLID: 19-4, 83%
AVG: 20-10, 67%
POOR: 23-29, 44%

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ELI MANNING (LATER GIANTS), 112 games total (2010-2016)
- Overlapped two seasons with Eli's EARLY GIANTS to fit seven seasons while the Giants were still competitive. Excluded 2017-2019 cuz the Giants were dogshit.

Overall: 58 Wins - 54 Losses (52% Win), 86.9 Passer Rating
ELITE: 13-2, 87% Win
GREAT: 16-10, 62%
SOLID: 13-11, 54%
AVG: 16-14, 53%
POOR: 15-29, 34%
 
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QB Passer Rating Categories
ELITE (115+ Passer Rating)
GREAT (95 - 115)
SOLID (85 - 100)
AVG (75 - 90)
POOR (BELOW 80)

Summary of Win % per QB Passer Rating category. Same information as above Post #2. See Post #2 for number of games.

WIN %ELITEGREATSOLIDAVGPOOR
ROMO87%64%50%50%36%
BRADY I9691957449
BRADY II10085736346
PEYTON I8782667332
PEYTON II9085808150
ROETH I9285616834
ROETH II8079626035
BREES I9473706019
BREES II8661413736
RODGERS I9871674221
RODGERS II9479585333
ELITEGREATSOLIDAVGPOOR
STAFFORD9252554120
RIVERS I8858614735
RIVERS II935335308
FLACCO8884805841
RYAN I9468503739
RYAN II7350383830
PALMER7752573731
ELI MANNING I8365836744
ELI MANNING II8762545334
AVERAGE90%70%61%53%35%
 
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QB Passer Rating Categories
ELITE (115+ Passer Rating)
GREAT (95 - 115)
SOLID (85 - 100)
AVG (75 - 90)
POOR (BELOW 80)

% of Games per QB Passer Rating, but shown as # of Games per QB Passer Rating category.

NOTE: This is a manipulation of the raw numbers in Post #2 to make it apples-to-apples to better compare raw numbers QB vs QB. Therefore, take the numbers below with a +/- 2 game margin of error. This is due to each QB having a different number of actual games played, so had to standardize the total number of actual games played and then revise the games-per-passer-rating-category for apples-to-apples relevant to improve accuracy for comparison.


# of GAMESELITEGREATSOLIDAVGPOOR
ROMO3137231626
BRADY I2129192440
BRADY II3632241823
PEYTON I2328352622
PEYTON II3136261723
ROETH I2528193031
ROETH II2230282725
BREES I3331211632
BREES II3934192118
RODGRS I3933232314
RODGERS II3730272019
ELITEGREATSOLIDAVGPOOR
STAFFORD2226242734
RIVERS I3325242032
RIVERS II2731252625
FLACCO1732201944
RYAN I1731262731
RYAN II2535282322
PALMER1527272242
ELI MANNING I1219222950
ELI MANNING II1425232942
AVERAGE2630242330
 
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Help me determine the proper QB rating ranges for what's considered a bad, okay, good, great game.

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Bad - Below 80
Okay - 80 - 90
Good - 90 - 100
Great - 100.0+
 
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Help me determine the proper QB rating ranges for what's considered a bad, okay, good, great game.

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Bad - Below 80
Okay - 80 - 90
Good - 90 - 100
Great - 100.0+
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Depends on the era. If there's a QB Rating+, that might work better.
 
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I can't vouch for this and I've only skimmed it, but the site below has done some interesting QB Rating+ work.

nflgraphs.wordpress.com

Passer Rating+: A stat to compare quarterbacks across eras

The Sabermetric revolution in baseball, which was kickstarted by Bill James with his Baseball Abstracts in the 1980s and took off in the mid-2000s soon after Moneyball came out, has led to a glut o…
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QBR or Passer Rating?
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NFL's longtime QB rating, not ESPN's QBR. ESPN keeps their QBR formula secret, so I can't use it here. I need a metric that I can calculate myself to apply across the decades.

If you have the ESPN QBR format, let me know.

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But, QB Rating should be effective enough for our purposes. These articles state that ESPN QBR correlation to winning is better than NFL's QB Rating, but not by much.

Is ESPN’s QBR the best measure of quarterback play?

One of the very first posts at Football Perspective measured how various passing stats were correlated with wins. One of the main conclusions from that post was that passer rating, because of its heavy emphasis on completion percentage and interception rate, was not the ideal way to measure...
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Post #2 and #3 updated.

Guide to QB Passer Rating categories:
ELITE (115+ Passer Rating)
GREAT (95 - 115)
SOLID (85 - 100)
AVG (75 - 90)
POOR (BELOW 80)

OBSERVATIONS:
#JOE FLACCO is the most fortunate QB of all, generally ranking among the highest in Win % in every QB Passer Rating category. Flacco is especially notable because he ranks among the lowest in number of ELITE games, yet among the highest in POOR games.

# ELI MANNING (EARLY) almost as fortunate as Flacco, ranking high in Win % for SOLID, AVG and POOR games, but not as high in ELITE or GREAT (therefore giving the nod to Flacco). Eli (EARLY) has the dubious honor of posting the least number of ELITE & GREAT games while also having the most AVG & POOR games. Hall of Famer, my ass.

# Comparing BRADY (EARLY) vs (LATER) is interesting. Overall, if Tom Brady retired after 2009, he'd be the most blessed sunovabitch, more than Flacco and Eli Manning; BRADY (EARLY) posted among the lowest number of ELITE games and among the highest of POOR games, but enjoyed the highest Win % in virtually every passing category. Winning 49% of your POOR games! Winning 96% of your few ELITE games! 91% and 95% Win for GREAT and SOLID, respectively....essentially, guaranteed to win as long as you didn't fuck up, but still a coinflip-chance-of-winning if you do fuck up.....then 2008 season ender injury...upon Brady's return, you can cut it with a knife with Brady's transformation. BRADY (LATER) returns to post Top 3 number of ELITE and GREAT games with among the lowest in AVG and POOR games; Brady definitely isn't riding the team's coattails anymore, but still enjoys the comfort of one of the highest WIN % if he does have the occasional AVG or POOR game.

# AARON RODGERS, both (EARLY) and (LATER) are notable because he posts the fewest POOR games...and by a wide margin. Unlike Flacco, Eli Manning and Brady, though, Rodgers posted lower-than-average Win % when Rodgers passed POOR and AVG. As for ELITE, Rodgers is MR.ELITE with the most ELITE games his entire career. Overall, as crazy as it seems, Aaron Rodgers could actually be underrated and there's definitely semblance of a "Packers go as Aaron Rodgers goes."

# Speaking of underrated QBs, there's DREW BREES (especially his later years). Right there with Aaron Rodgers in posting rare POOR games, Drew Brees (LATER) also was in the top group for ELITE and GREAT games. However, despite all those ELITE and GREAT games, BREES (LATER) suffered from much worse Win %. For the QBs with most number of ELITE games, their Win % as follows: Brady 100%, Rodgers 98%, Rodgers 94%, Peyton 90%, Rivers 88%...Romo at 87%...but BREES (LATER) had the worst 86%. Same thing for Win % with GREAT games. BREES (LATER)'s Win % also below average in SOLID and AVG games. Cruelly, BREES (LATER)'s closest Win % to the average is his POOR games, but, yes, is still below average.

# High number of GREAT games is a great segue to what's considered the next tier of QBs (STAFFORD, RIVERS and MATT RYAN), they weren't leaders in ELITE games (usually below average, actually), but posted above-average numbers of GREAT and SOLID games. However, all three suffered from below average Win %.

# BEN ROETHLISBERGER. What's notable about Big Ben is how un-notable the results are. I was expecting bar-setting Win % rivaling Tom Brady, but we all can't be Tom Brady. BEN (EARLY AND LATER) were only top tier in GREAT (which many many QBs would still kill for). For example, compare Roethlisberger's EARLY 85% Win and LATER 79% Win vs Romo 64% Win, Stafford 52% -- Roethlisberger had 26 and 28 GREAT games while Romo had 36 and Stafford 31. Give BEN (EARLY) 85% Win to Romo and that increases Romo's 23-13 record to 31-5 (+8 win improvement) and Stafford from 16-15 to 26-5 (+10 win improvement). Think Romo and Stafford would've gone to the playoffs more often? Lastly, Roethlisberger (EARLY) and (LATER) show very similarly in numbers of games in each QB Passer Rating category. I expected BEN (LATER) to have more ELITE and GREAT games than BEN (EARLY) due to his development/maturation and enjoying Antonio Brown, but (LATER) and (EARLY) ended up essentially the same number of ELITE, GREAT and AVG games. (LATER) did reduce number of POOR games and turned them into SOLID games.

# MATT RYAN. Feel sorry for Matt Ryan (LATER). His Win % is among the lowest, if not the lowest, in every category except POOR. His Win % is closest to the average in the POOR category, but it's still below average. Imagine posting 26 games with +115 Passer Rating, yet only winning 73% - Matt Ryan is the bottom dweller. Hell, Carson Palmer with the Bungals was higher at 77%. That's low.

# PHILIP RIVERS. Across the board in ELITE and GREAT, Rivers WIN % for (EARLY) and (LATER) are middle-of-pack. However, RIVERS (LATER) definitely shows the Chargers decline as a team in comparing Win % with SOLID, AVG and POOR games. RIVERS (LATER) has an 8% Win with his 26 POOR games, going 2-24. If Rivers, throws an INT in the first quarter, you might as well forfeit.

# TONY ROMO. Finally, our boy. Romomania, Romosapiens, Homo for Romo.
  • POOR: Looking at his 26 POOR games, this is a great number. He's has about the same low amount of POOR games as Brady (LATER) (23), PEYTON (22 and 23), Roethlisberger (31 and 25), only clearly bested by Aaron Rodgers (14 and 19). However, Romo's POOR Win % is a respectable 36%, which is inline with Roethlisberger (EARLY and LATER), Peyton (EARLY), Matt Ryan and others. Just looking at POOR, it's not a drastic "as Romo goes, so go the Cowboys." That crown was go to RIVERS (LATER) at frikkin' 8%.
  • SOLID & AVG: Again to Romo's credit, he's below average in posting SOLID and AVG games because he's above average in ELITE and GREAT games. For SOLID and AVG games, his WIN % is below average, but not the worst. Matt Ryan (LATER), Drew Brees (LATER), Aaron Rodgers (EARLY), Stafford, Philip Rivers (LATER) all post lower Win %.
  • ELITE: Romo's above average in number of ELITE games, but clearly a tier below Rodgers, Brees, Brady (LATER). Again, his WIN % is below average, but not the worst. While Brady, Brees (EARLY) ROETH (EARLY) Aaron Rodgers (EARLY and LATER) enjoy higher WIN % in this regard, Romo's WIN % is similar to Drew Brees (ALTER), Philip Rivers (EARLY), Peyton Manning (EARLY and LATER) and SHOCKER Eli Manning (EARLY & AFTER). Again, feel sorry for Matt Ryan (LATER) as Romo's Win % counts his lucky stars.
  • GREAT: Win % here is where the Cowboys failed Romo the most. Romo posted the highest number of GREAT games, but his Win % was below all the QBs with Super Bowl rings - Brady (EARLY and LATER), Peyton (EARLY and LATER), ROETH (EARLY and LATER), RODGERS (EARLY and LATER), Flacco and BREES (EARLY). Poor Tony, right? Well, Eli Manning (EARLY and LATER) posts virtually the same Win % as Romo. Brees (LATER) is about the same as Romo. You know who feels bad? Look at Carson Palmer, Matt Ryan (LATER), Stafford and Philip Rivers (EARLY and LATER). Romo's misery has company.
  • OVERALL Win %. These metrics are sobering for Romosapiens. Romo wasn't as fortunate as Brady, Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning, for sure, but Romo isn't the only one. There isn't anything unique about Romo's stats that scream he deserves it anymore than Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Stafford, or Brees the last 7 seasons. Over and over we've said "if only Romo had a better team, he'd be Super Bowl champ (plural) if not a Hall of Famer." Well, I think these results show that he'd be a Super Bowl champ (plural) only if he had played for the New England Patriots or the Baltimore Ravens, but you could say the same for the aforementioned QBs, too. If anything, I'd say Drew Brees (LATER) and Matt Ryan (LATER) win the Rob Pettiti Award for "I NEED FUCKING HELP HERE" before Romo.
  • OVERALL # of Games. Both good and tempering news here for Romo. Romo distinguishes himself from Stafford and Matt Ryan with the number of ELITE and GREAT games; Romo's distinguished from Rivers, but less so (while Rivers and Romo are similar in ELITE, SOLID and POOR games, Rivers has too many AVG games where Romo has GREAT games...but Rivers Win % is worse than Romo's). However, compared to the top-tier QBs, Aaron Rodgers, Brady (LATER) and Drew Brees are in a tier above Romo in producing ELITE games.
  • OVERALL...I was hoping this project would provide the slam dunk evidence to show that Romo was by far and away letdown by his team the most. It's not slam dunk. While it does strengthen Romo as the best passer of the 2nd tier of QBs (# of ELITE/GREAT vs POOR games), the other 2nd tier QBs suffered more letdowns from their teammates (Win %). Put it this way...no QB went to the Super Bowl with similar Win % to Romo's (ie Super Bowl-appearing QB enjoyed higher Win % than Romo). However, of non-SB QBs, Philip Rivers (EARLY) and Drew Brees (LATER) made Championship Games with Win % lower than Romo. ROETH (LATER) made AFCC with Win % similar to Romo. Eli Manning won two Super Bowls with virtually the same ELITE and GREAT Win % as Romo.
 
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# Comparing BRADY (EARLY) vs (LATER) is interesting. Overall, if Tom Brady retired after 2009, he'd be the most blessed sunovabitch, more than Flacco and Eli Manning; BRADY (EARLY) posted among the lowest number of ELITE games and among the highest of POOR games, but enjoyed the highest Win % in virtually every passing category. Winning 49% of your POOR games! Winning 96% of your few ELITE games! Guaranteed to win as long as you didn't fuck up, but still a coinflip if you do fuck up.....now, BRADY (LATER) posts Top 2 number of ELITE and GREAT games, so Brady definitely isn't riding the team's coattails anymore, but still enjoys the comfort of one of the highest WIN % if he does have the occasional AVG or POOR game.

# AARON RODGERS, both (EARLY) and (LATER) are notable because he posts the fewest POOR games...and by a wide margin. Unlike Flacco, Eli Manning and Brady, though, Rodgers posted lower-than-average Win % when Rodgers passed POOR and AVG. As for ELITE, Rodgers is MR.ELITE, earning the Gold and Bronze (Brady LATER was Silver) in most ELITE games. Overall, as crazy as it seems, Aaron Rodgers could actually be underrated.
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This is obvious to any serious fan of football and why I say Brady would never have won a single Superbowl without Bill Belichick. He is really, really lucky to have had the opportunity.

Brady always had a great defense, coaching, and special teams and had ZERO competition from the AFC East for two decades straight.

Rodgers OTOH is an absolute beast. It's true he grew up in a pass-happy system and maybe being behind Favre all those years helped light a fire under him he might not have developed otherwise, but you can't mistake the insane level of talent. The only year he had a top five defense, he won the Superbowl.
 
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