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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top wide receivers and tight ends
Bob McGinn Apr 15, 2020
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-2017) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts. This will be a nine-part series, starting with receivers.
So many conversations about this class of wide receivers began with a common refrain.

“This is maybe the deepest wide receiver group,” said one longtime AFC personnel man. “But as far as like a Julio (Jones) or Calvin Johnson, absolutely not.”

Johnson (6-5, 239, 4.35) had it all. When he left Georgia Tech a year early to enter the draft in 2007, he was compared by scouts to Jerry Rice, James Lofton, Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald and Keyshawn Johnson. Jones (6-2 ½, 220, 4.39) left Alabama after his junior year and became the sixth overall selection in 2011. People dug deep to come up with comparables for him as well. After nine seasons of superstardom, Johnson walked away from the Detroit Lions whereas Jones’ drive still burns hot after nine years in Atlanta. Their physical gifts led to a consistently unique level of play. Although this certainly rates as the year of the wide receiver, Johnson and Jones have more dominant traits than anyone in the class. Obviously, that doesn’t mean a decade from now there won’t be a player or two who deserves to stand in their company.

The sheer numbers at wide receivers are astounding. “Deepest I’ve ever seen,” said one 20-year scouting veteran. “I like so many of them, and for different reasons.”

One scout counted at least 20 wideouts that “in the right circumstance could actually become a player in this league.” Another said a starter could be uncovered in the fourth round, much like how Washington found Terry McLaurin, its top receiver, in the third round a year ago. “The first 13 or 14 names that we have are all going to play,” an AFC executive said. “There’s some wild cards beyond that. There’s not any game-changers.”

The result, of course, are the NFL’s ever-expanding scouting departments grinding endlessly at tape machines. “It’s the most over-scouted position just because there’s so damn many of them, especially in today’s game,” said one scout. All the attention makes perfect sense given the product that the league office and ownership have promulgated through rules changes favoring scoring. “That’s natural because of the evolution of football,” an executive said in reference to the scrutiny of wide receivers.

As draft boards are made final, we hear about speed, ball skills, explosiveness, run after the catch and other physical traits that are most often weighed to loosen packs of receivers with similar grades. We don’t hear a lot about intelligence, which some scouts have said often separates the haves from the have-nots.

“To me, the hardest transition from college to pro is the wide receiver position,” said an executive. “You have to be smart. Dummies won’t make it.”

The oldest method used by NFL teams to measure intelligence is the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic test. Many in the industry understand the test has its limitations. It’s why the continuing usage of matrices testing involving shapes and other non-reading material is thought by some to provide a clearer model of intellect. Yet, the Wonderlic has survived because teams still view it as a valuable tool in the evaluation of pro football players. The average score of the eight wide receivers voted to the Pro Bowl in 2019 was 21.6. The average score of my top 13 wide receivers in this draft is 17.1.

Two of the three lowest scores among the 2019 Pro Bowlers belonged to first-rounders DeAndre Hopkins (17) and Jones (15). Another first-round pick, Mike Evans, scored 25. The other five players, including two second-round choices, two third-round choices and one fifth, possess a wide array of strengths and weaknesses. The common bond, however, could well be their ability to think on their feet and make critical pre- and post-snap adjustments. Tyreek Hill led that group of five with a Wonderlic score of 27, followed by Chris Godwin (26), Jarvis Landry (23), Michael Thomas (21) and Keenan Allen (19).

My polling of 17 executives in personnel took place in the last 2 ½ weeks. Each scout was asked to rank the wide receivers on a 1 to 6 basis, with a first-place vote worth 6 points, a second worth 5 and so on.

CeeDee Lamb, with 87 points and 10 first-place votes, nosed out Jerry Jeudy, who had 86 and five. Following, in order, were Henry Ruggs (66, one), Justin Jefferson (28 ½), Tee Higgins (25 ½, one), Bryan Edwards (13), Brandon Aiyuk (12), Laviska Shenault (11), Jalen Reagor (10), KJ Hamler (4 ½), Denzel Mims (four), Lynn Bowden (three), Quez Watkins (three), Van Jefferson (two), Gabriel Davis (one) and Michael Pittman (one-half).

Then the personnel men were asked who among the top 10 or 12 players had the best chance to bust. Shenault led the way with eight votes followed by Mims with four, Higgins with two and Hamler, Reagor and Ruggs, each one.

“It’d be foolish for a team to sit there (in the teens) and take a wideout,” one scout said. “You can get another wideout in the second or third, a Bryan Edwards, a Michael Pittman, a Lynn Bowden … it’s a real deep pool but it’s shallow at the top. There’s nobody that’s super elite, height-weight-speed freakish Julio, Calvin Johnson.”

Could someone such as Aiyuk, Edwards, even Quez Watkins emerge as the best in the class three years from now?

“Sure,” said an AFC evaluator. “It all depends on where they go, what the system is and who’s coaching them.”

An NFC personnel director summed up the talent pool at tight end thusly: “It’s the shits.”

Before conducting the poll at tight end, the decision was made to classify Chase Claypool, a wide receiver at Notre Dame, as a tight end. This time, votes were asked to rank the tight ends on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis.

Cole Kmet easily won with 78 points and 11 first-place votes. Following, in order, were Adam Trautman (44, one), Claypool (41, two), Harrison Bryant (29, one), Albert Okwuegbunam (22, one), Devin Asiasi (16, one), Hunter Bryant (nine), Brycen Hopkins (six), Thaddeus Moss (five), Colby Parkinson (four) and Dalton Keene (one).

“It’s not a strong group,” one personnel man said, “when you’re more excited to work with a wide receiver projection (Claypool) than guys that played tight end their whole life.”

Tight ends often are divided into Y (play-side base blocker), U (back-side base blocker), F (detached as a receiver) and H (move). The numbers of conventional Y and U players continues to dwindle. As scouts debate whether a tight end has the speed to threaten a two-deep secondary or blocks well enough in-line, intelligence seems to be a very important factor for the position.

“That’s a killer at tight end,” said one scout. “They’re asked to do so much. It’s hard to play with dumb tight ends.”
My top seven tight ends posted an average Wonderlic score of 27.1.

RANKING THE RECEIVERS



(Photo by Carmen Mandato/Getty Images)

WIDE RECEIVERS

1. CEEDEE LAMB, Oklahoma (6-1 ½, 198, 4.48, 1):
Compared by one scout to Chad Johnson. “You throw the ball up, he’s coming down with it,” said one scout. “He’s got courage. He has better feet than (Justin) Jefferson. I had no idea he could run as good as he did. He’s a great kid on top of it. He’s a no-brainer.” A third-year junior from Richmond, Texas, he “catches the crap out of the ball,” according to another scout. “Great hands. He runs 4.48, which is way fast enough. He runs really good routes. He can go against press and off.” Finished with 173 receptions for 3,292 yards (19.0 average) and 32 touchdowns. “Just a competitive and strong guy,” said a third scout. “Almost an Anquan Boldin-type of receiver. I don’t think he’s a superstar. Lamb kind of maximizes what he has.” Jumps were pedestrian: vertical (34 ½ inches, 10-foot, 4-inch broad jump). So was the bench press (11 reps). “They scheme him up a lot,” said a fourth scout. “Bubble passes. He comes flying around in motion and catches it. It’s like watching the CFL. If you think you’re just going to line him up as a classic X or Z and he’s going to run a full route tree, no. He’s a work in progress, too.” Scored 12 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “He’s wildly overrated,” said a fifth scout. “I don’t see an overwhelming trait. A lot of people point to his run after the catch, but I think you have to evaluate the guys trying to tackle him. He’s playing against some really bad Big 12 defenses. You’re just not going up against NFL people in that league. I’m just not a big believer in his skill set transitioning.”

2. JERRY JEUDY, Alabama (6-1, 193, 4.44, 1): The third-year junior is one scout’s “favorite player to watch in the draft because he’s a very accomplished, precise route runner. You don’t often see that in a draft prospect. He’s very advanced in the route-running.” Backed up in 2017 before starting the past two years. Finished with 159 catches for 2,742 (17.2) and 26 TDs. “He has more of that superstar potential than anyone,” said another scout. “Just a phenomenal route runner. Explosive. Just makes things happen. He had some drops in the LSU game but he came back after that and caught a touchdown and a 2-point conversion. So he’s a competitor and rises up.” Posted a 9 on the Wonderlic. “He was good in the interview with us,” a third scout said. “He really understands football … He’s lived life in the ultimate football playground. Speed merchants on the outside. Point guard at quarterback. 5-star offensive line. Draftable running back. He plays in the slot and was never pressed. He’s got a three-way go every route. If you draft him to be your No. 1 and you put him at X and they have a 6-1 corner rolled up in his face with a safety over the top and a linebacker buzzing from inside, life can be a heck of a lot different. All his game is instincts, getting in and out of breaks. It’ll knock your socks off against Southern Miss and New Mexico State. If you’re set everywhere and you just need a slot guy, he’s like a luxury pick.” From Deerfield Beach, Fla. “I think Calvin Ridley, his former teammate, was a little bit better of a route runner,” a fourth scout said. “He’ll be able to get open. He can really slam on the brakes and lose people. All the physical traits are good, but nothing’s elite.”

3. HENRY RUGGS, Alabama (5-11, 188, 4.24, 1): Ruggs, who’s from Montgomery, Ala., followed a similar career arc as Jeudy, backing up as a freshman and starting two years. “He has a chance to be special because he’s got the rare trait of speed,” said one scout. “But he’s not a one-trick pony. He’s not Ted Ginn, he’s not Darrius Heyward-Bey. He’s not just an outside-the-numbers guy. He’s super athletic (vertical jump of 42), he can run every route. He’s extremely tough. When you talk to the people in Tuscaloosa, he’s the most competitive kid in the program. You want to draft playmakers, and he’s got a chance to be a great playmaker. He’s a significantly better player coming out than Tyreek Hill was.” Finished with 98 catches for 1,716 (17.5) and 24 TDs. “Does that guy turn into Brandin Cooks or Ted Ginn?” said another scout. “Often, when teams try to make (speedsters) into more than they are, they struggle. He may turn into more than that. We’ll see. I don’t see Tyreek Hill.” Third-year junior with a Wonderlic of 20. “If you expect him to come in and be your No. 1 receiver I don’t see that,” said a third scout. “He was really a specialist in their offense where they designed certain plays for him … He is fast, but when people get on him you don’t see the same speed and route running. When he gets the ball, if he has a clear path, he can go. But he’s not a make-you-miss player. I don’t think he’s timid (in traffic). But he’s not a playmaker on the ball so when bodies are around him he doesn’t catch the ball. He’s a space-vertical linear route runner that needs space to catch the ball.”

4. JUSTIN JEFFERSON, LSU (6-1, 202, 4.47, 1-2): Jefferson surprised a segment of the scouting fraternity with his fast 40. “The big thing on him was going to be his speed because he’s such a smooth athlete,” said one scout. “His workout was really good. I don’t think he’ll ever be a Pro Bowl No. 1 guy, but he’s a really good No. 2.” He destroyed Oklahoma in the national semifinals not long before declaring as a third-year junior. “Polished, good hands, does most of his damage from the slot,” another scout said. “Good all-around skill set.” A two-year starter with 165 catches for 2,415 (14.6) and 24 TDs, a third scout says he’s “a solid No. 2, but I don’t see him as a good No. 2,” a third scout said. “I don’t see ultra explosiveness. I don’t see the test numbers. He had a lot of production, but the guys he plays on this level (NFL) will be able to take some of those opportunities away. He can make contested catches. I saw him go through a lot of zone and I saw a lot of clean, free access getting off the line. I want to see him beat more press. I didn’t see that.” Jefferson is from St. Rose, La and scored 19 on the Wonderlic.



“Even going back to his junior year, he only had 33 catches but just grading the flash plays he was better than N’Keal Harry,” one scout said about ASU’s Brandon Aiyuk. (Kevin Abele/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

5. BRANDON AIYUK, Arizona State (5-11 ½, 205, 4.53): Aiyuk played in junior college for two seasons. He played second fiddle to N’Keal Harry in 2018 before breaking out in ’19. “He’s (5-11½) but he’s got an 80-inch wingspan, which is so disproportionately long for his body, so he’s really a big target for a smaller guy,” one scout said. “He has ranginess to him, yet he’s compact enough where his change of direction is great. He’s really explosive on tape. Even going back to his junior year, he only had 33 catches but just grading the flash plays he was better than N’Keal Harry.” He caught 65 balls as a senior, finishing with 98 for 1,666 (17.0) ands 11 TDs. “The first three or four games this year it was kind of whatever,” said another scout. “Then something clicked and he really turned it on. Their offensive line was horrible, so a lot of his deep routes didn’t really have time to develop because the quarterback (freshman Jayden Daniels) had to get the ball out. He became that quarterback’s best friend. He’s underrated. Early on, he comes in as your No. 1 punt returner and kickoff guy.” He has a Wonderlic score of 23. “Explosive with a 40-inch vert, excellent route runner, quickness,” said a third scout. “You could compare Greg Jennings to him. He’s better than Nelson Agholor.” From Reno, Nev.

6. TEE HIGGINS, Clemson (6-3 ½, 215, 4.58, 1-2): More than one personnel man identified him as having the best hands in the draft. “He’s an outside-only guy,” one scout said. “He’s a contested, 50-50 ball guy with strong hands and a big catching radius. He may need some help getting open, but he can catch it. He’s going to be covered a lot but he’s got the catching radius.” Arms measured a position-best 34 1/8 but hands were a small 9 ¼. “Just worried about the 40 time and his inability to separate,” said another scout. “They match up. He is really good down the field going up and getting the football. But getting off press, which you don’t see a lot at the college level, for a guy that isn’t real twitchy, he’ll have to win with size at the line of scrimmage. I think eventually he’ll be able to do it, but it’s going to be a transition for him.” Caught 135 passes for 2,448 (18.1) and 27 TDs. “Behind Ruggs, he’d be my next pick to bust,” a third scout said. “For a big, athletic kind of guy I don’t think he plays very strong. I don’t think he plays very sudden. And I don’t think he’s very tough. For the type of receiver he has to be, being that big guy making plays over people, I just don’t see that grit and toughness that you need. I wasn’t surprised at all (by the slow 40). He’s a buildup (speed) guy. Lot of that (production) was scheming him.” Wonderlic of 11. From Oak Ridge, Tenn.

7. BRYAN EDWARDS, South Carolina (6-2 ½, 212, no 40, 1-2): A four-year starter from Conway, S.C, “he excited me,” one scout said. “There’s a ceiling on him because I don’t think he’s a dynamic athlete. He’s a 4.5’s kind of guy, like a big, physical banger, a guy who will do dirty work. He can play big slot. It’s not like he’s lightning quick, but he’s fluid enough to be a good enough route runner. He’s a lot like Sterling Sharpe was except he doesn’t have the run after. You probably have to have some other pieces around him, guys that are more dynamic playmakers. But if you have that and you throw him in the mix then he’s interesting. I think he’s a great third-round pick.” His value was diminished by the broken foot he suffered while training in February, a meniscus tear in November, a concussion and sports hernia surgery in 2017. “He’s very physical, which I love about him, but it’s kind of counterproductive for him,” said another scout. “Durability is a big problem. I don’t think people give him credit for how athletic he is. I just think he does a lot of things that really matter for that position. He’s one of my favorite players.” Finished with 234 catches for 3,045 (13.0) and 22 TDs, surpassing ex-Gamecock Sharpe in several statistical categories. “He’s really lost steam because of the injury,” a third scout said. “He’s kind of your old school West Coast (receiver) catching slants, breaking tackles and go. There’s a lot of love for that guy in the league.” Edwards scored 28 on the Wonderlic and ranked second among the top 13 wideouts.

Eight. JALEN REAGOR, TCU (5-10 ½, 206, 4.46, 1-2): The third-year junior posted the best broad jump (11-6) of the top 25 wideouts. “Holy shit, he’s exciting,” said one scout. “His speed and run after … we’re looking for explosive playmakers. His punt returns were like holy hell. … His skill set is outstanding.” Finished with 148 catches for 2,248 (15.2) and 22 TDs. “He’s faster and quicker than CeeDee or (Justin) Jefferson,” said a second scout. “He’s tough, he’ll catch in the middle and he takes the ball away from people. But, if the ball’s not coming to him, he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t block. He hardly gets off the line of scrimmage sometimes. He is a talented, talented kid, but his body language and attitude, from film only, is bad. Kind of a reluctant football player. When the ball’s coming to him he’s full-speed.” He posted 13 on the Wonderlic. “He may be the most explosive guy coming out of this draft,” said a third scout. “Quick and aggressive, plays fast, quick hands. Can he be a slot receiver, too? I think he can.” From Waxahachie, Texas. Added a fourth scout: “If I want a jet sweep guy I want Reagor. That (guy) is fast.”

9. DENZEL MIMS, Baylor (6-3, 207, 4.38, 1-2): Among his many achievements at the combine was a position-best 6.66 3-cone. “The 6.6 3-cone is crazy for a guy with that lever system,” said one scout. “He can really go up and make acrobatic plays on the ball. He showed at the Senior Bowl he can beat press coverage and get open at the top of routes. He’s better than Lamb and maybe better than Jeudy. He’s bigger, faster, longer. You’ve got a chance to really hit on Denzel Mims.” Mims was a three-year starter for a Baylor program that has never had a receiver make it big in the NFL. “He’s big, but I see a finesse guy who dropped too many balls in traffic,” a second scout said. “He’s got the height, weight, speed. I’ve seen too many guys with traits like that come in and fail out, and he doesn’t play special teams. I don’t see that kind of dog in him.” A three-year starter, he finished with 186 receptions for 2,925 (15.7) and 28 TDs. “He’s got vertical speed, he does have tracking skills and he understands how to use his size in the red zone,” said a third scout. “He’s an outside receiver. He’s going to need a lot of work on how to run routes. He has tight shoulders. Better high-ball catcher than low-ball catcher. More of a 400-meter guy. He’s got inconsistent hands. He’s going to need work on how to get off press. He’s just got average body control. I got him in the second round.” He’s from Daingerfield, Texas and posted a Wonderlic score of 17.

10. LAVISKA SHENAULT, Colorado (6-0 ½, 227, 4.58, 2-3): Classic boom-or-bust prospect. “Mental and injury,” one scout replied when asked why Shenault was his choice to bust. “He’s always been the best guy on his team. You put him in one position and he’s just going to flounder. He’s head and shoulders in the bust factor above everyone else. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a big fall.” Played split end for the Buffaloes but also did extensive damage as a ‘wildcat’ quarterback. “Little bit immature but, my God, is he big and powerful,” a second scout said. “His ’18 film was way better than his ’19 film. He’s a power guy, and those guys play.” He’s coming off of core muscle surgery in late February and also has had shoulder and turf toe surgery. “He’s kind of got some Cordarrelle Patterson to him in terms of his role,” a third scout said. “Not as explosive. With that body type, I don’t see A.J. Brown. A.J. made so many contested catches and was so productive for three years. A.J. was a receiver when he came out. This guy is an athlete. He’ll have to make a transition to a receiver, and I think he’s going to have a tough time.” Finished with 149 catches for 1,943 (13.0) and 10 TDs. “He’s not bad, just not a lot of personality,” said a fourth scout. “Kind of low-key.” Wonderlic of 14. Small hands (9). A third-year junior from DeSoto, Texas.



“Van Jefferson is not just some polished kid, an overachiever. He’s got serious juice. He’s got a lot more speed than I thought he had. He can break people off and get open,” one scout says on the Florida WR. Kim Klement-USA TODAY Sports

11. VAN JEFFERSON, Florida (6-1 ½, 200, no 40, 2-3): His father, Shawn, has been an NFL wide receivers coach for most of the past 20 years after a 13-year career in which he caught 470 passes for 7,023 (14.9) and 29 TDs. “Arguably he’s the best route runner in the class, and he’s got great hands and he’s mature and his dad is one of the best wide receivers coaches in the league (now with the Jets) and was a good player in his own right,” said one scout. “You knew he’d have some of that stuff just being a coach’s kid. Van is not just some polished kid, an overachiever. He’s got serious juice. He’s got a lot more speed than I thought he had. He can break people off and get open.” Jefferson started 41 of 48 games, finishing with 175 catches for 2,159 (12.3) and 16 TDs. He was unable to work at the combine after doctors discovered a foot fracture that required surgery. “He had a really good game against LSU,” another scout said. “Just kind of thin. Not really a speed guy. He’ll be a good backup. Your worry about Van is this guy is maxed out.” Wonderlic of 12. From Brentwood, Tenn. “Interesting guy,” said a third scout. “Terrible quarterback, terrible offense, but did really well at the Senior Bowl. He’s got size, really good quickness and route savvy. He can separate. He’s going to be a really good pro. He doesn’t have that explosive speed so he’s going to slide. This guy really knows how to play.”

12. MICHAEL PITTMAN, USC (6-4, 223, 4.52, 2-3): His father, Michael, played 11 years as an NFL running back gaining 5,627 yards (4.0 average) and scoring 25 TDs. “Doesn’t get a lot of love because he’s on the West Coast,” said one scout. “But he’s a big-body guy that belongs in the top-10 conversation (at wideout). Tough guy in traffic.” Started 30 of 48 games over four seasons, catching 171 passes for 2,519 (14.7) and 19 TDs. “Same type of guy as Bryan Edwards,” a second scout said. “Makes most of his catches in traffic. Strong after the catch. He surprised me with his speed. He and (Tee) Higgins are basically the same guy. Higgins played with a better team. I remember Pittman’s father in the Super Bowl when he played hard and tough even though the Raiders got beat badly. The son has that type of attitude as well. It’s going to be tough to stop him.” He led the leading wideouts with a Wonderlic of 29 and hails from Woodland Hills, Calif.

13. KJ HAMLER, Penn State (5-8 ½, 178, no 40, 3): Third-year sophomore. “He’s small, but his speed is rare,” said one scout. “He is electric after the catch. He’s a human joystick. He has home-run ability. You’re going to have to scheme him a little bit to get him the ball.” One scout said he had the worst hands in the draft. “He’s like a 50-50 guy,” said a second scout. “He probably has the best chance to bust because he can’t catch. He can stretch the field. He played tough. He went up for balls. The thing that killed me is he can be a return guy, but he just didn’t perform, which is weird. He was just average in every sense of the word.” Finished with 98 catches for 1,658 (16.9) and 13 TDs. “He would run across the formation and he wouldn’t even look and the quarterback is looking at him,” said another scout. “After seeing that three, four, five times, something was up with this kid. He’s a slot receiver. To play outside I think would be ridiculous. He is tiny. Third round.” From Pontiac, Mich, with a Wonderlic of 15.

OTHERS, in order: Lynn Bowden, Kentucky; Quez Watkins, Southern Mississippi; Gabriel Davis, Central Florida; Devin Duvernay, Texas; Isaiah Hodgins, Oregon State; Isaiah Coulter, Rhode Island; James Proche, SMU; Darnell Mooney, Tulane; Collin Johnson, Texas; K.J. Hill, Ohio State; Dezmon Patmon, Washington State; John Hightower, Boise State; Donovan Peoples-Jones, Michigan; Joe Reed, Virginia; Antonio Gandy-Golden, Liberty; Trishton Jackson, Syracuse; Quintez Cephus, Wisconsin; Tyler Johnson, Minnesota.

TIGHT ENDS



“If you want an all-around guy, kind of a Kyle Rudolph-type guy, he’s it,” a scout says of Notre Dame TE Cole Kmet. (Matt Cashore-USA TODAY Sports)

1. COLE KMET, Notre Dame (6-5 ½, 262, 4.68, 1-2): Kmet reminded one scout of ex-Cowboy Jason Witten (6-5 ½, 260, 4.67). “If you want an all-around guy, kind of a Kyle Rudolph-type guy, he’s it,” said another scout. “He’s faster than Kyle, but he doesn’t have the ball skills. He’s had some durability issues. He’s got great intangibles. He can run. He can catch. He doesn’t have an elite trait but you really love the body type and everything about him.” Third-year junior with 60 catches (43 in 2019) for 691 (11.5) and six TDs. “He’s not a talent like Vernon Davis or Evan Engram,” a third scout said. “He’s more of a throwback, classic Y tight end. He’s solid. He won’t fail.” From Lake Barrington, Ill. “I don’t see a great blocker and I don’t see a great receiver,” said a fourth scout. “I see a guy that’s more of a U. I don’t see a great Y. He reminds me a lot of the (Drew) Sample guy that came out last year out of Washington and plays with the Bengals. Some of the workout (numbers) were better than the player he is. I don’t see first round. I think he’s always going to be a solid No. 2 (tight end), maybe a good No. 3.” Wonderlic of 28.

2. CHASE CLAYPOOL, Notre Dame (6-4, 238, 4.44, 1-2): Made 33 starts at WR over four seasons. Some teams are vociferous about him playing outside in the NFL. Others see him as a TE. “I think he’s big enough to be a tight end,” said one scout. “He’s every bit as big as Travis Kelce. He’s faster than Kelce. That’s who I saw.” His combine numbers were the best by a tight end. “I just don’t see the blocker at tight end,” a second scout said. “I don’t see how he holds up. People had the same conversation with Devin Funchess. You’re talking about the Jared Cook’s of the world. That’s just a different body type.” Finished with 150 catches for 2,159 (14.4) and 19 TDs. “The big ones that don’t make it, like Jonathan Baldwin, is because they’ve got a long ways to go because of (lack) of polish,” the second scout continued. “He’s not that far away. He’s fast, aggressive, has good hands. He was a dog on special teams. If you try to make him a multi-cut route runner, it’s going to be a problem. Let him be a big, fast, vertical, take-the-lid-off, contest-catch-winning guy. Mike Evans is a vertical route runner. I’m not calling this kid Mike Evans, but there are some comparable traits.” From Abbotsford, B.C., Claypool is the first Notre Dame signee from Canada since 1994. He posted a Wonderlic score of 27.

3. ADAM TRAUTMAN, Dayton (6-5, 255, 4.78, 2-3): Often compared to TE Adam Shaheen (6-6 ½, 278, 4.81), the Bears’ disappointing second-round pick in 2017 from NCAA Division II Ashland (Ohio), Dayton is a member of the FCS but non-scholarship Pioneer League. “It looked like (NCAA Division III) when I showed up at practice,” said one scout. “Some of the teams they played down south were good. I liked him. He didn’t back down at the Senior Bowl. They (the Flyers) kind of just used him as a pass-catching tight end. He has a big catch radius, soft hands. Needs to work on his lower-body strength and his blocking.” Started 40 of 44 games, catching 178 passes for 2,295 (12.9) and 31 TDs. “He played against little people, but he dominated that level of competition as a receiver and a blocker,” a second scout said. He ran a blazing 3-cone of 6.78. “He’s a poor man’s Cole Kmet,” said a third scout. “He does a lot of things well. He doesn’t do things great. He’s not that fast, not that strong. He’s a good route runner but he’s better laterally than stretching the field.” He scored 27 on the Wonderlic. “If the guy from the Bears (Shaheen) goes in the second, this guy goes in the third,” a fourth scout said. “He’s got a lot of football to learn but he’s got a lot of upside. Good blocker. Works to finish.” Trautman is from Elk Rapids, Mich.

4. HARRISON BRYANT, Florida Atlantic (6-4 ½, 243, 4.73, 3-4): “I have him shadowed across tight end and fullback,” said one scout. “He’s not an old-school thumper where you can run iso with him. With the way it is now, I could see him in a West Coast (offense) almost like San Fran uses their fullback (Kyle Juszczyk). He can line up on the wing, the edge of a formation and run across the formation and you can throw him the ball. He functions enough as a blocker.” Played a flex position under FAU coach Lane Kiffin, surpassing 1,000 yards as a senior. Finished with 148 receptions for 2,137 (14.4) and 16 TDs. His major negative might be an arm length of 30 5/8, shortest at the position. “Not real high on him,” said another scout. “He doesn’t have top size. He has no length. He’s not real strong. The athletic traits are just average.” He posted a Wonderlic of 26 and is from Gray, Ga.



5. ALBERT OKWUEGBUNAM, Missouri (6-5 ½, 258, 4.50, 3-4): A fourth-year junior, one scout said Okwuegbunam is “kind of an enigma to me. Really talented human being in terms of size and athleticism but just doesn’t put it all together. Someone’s going to take him based off potential. If they can get through to the mind to get it out of the body he’ll have a chance. It’s a risk-reward pick that I don’t have interest in. Someone might be silly enough to go second round.” He caught 43 passes from Drew Lock in 2018 but nabbed just 26 in 2019 to finish with 98 for 1,187 (12.1) and 23 TDs. “You’re talking about a 6-6 guy that runs 4.5,” another scout said. “He had a really good junior year. The senior year was off. At least he has dominant traits. You see guys like that go in the third, fourth and fifth rounds and become really good players.” His father emigrated from Nigeria. Okwuegbunam, from Springfield, Ill., posted a Wonderlic of 28 and has the longest arms among tight ends (34 1/8). “He oozes around on routes, lots of drops, timid blocker,” said a third scout. “Non-factor.”

6. DEVIN ASIASI, UCLA (6-3, 257, 4.79, 3-4): He spent one year at Michigan before departing for off-field reasons. He sat out at UCLA in 2017, backed up in ’18 and started in ’19. Almost all of his production (44 catches, 789, 15.2, six TDs) came as a fourth-year junior. “He is a ball-playing Jesse,” said one scout. “You love watching him. He is a competitive kid that will block. He’s tough, he finishes and he’ll go down inside. He’s got good hands, although they didn’t use him much as a receiver. He can run a little bit. He can flex, but he’s not going to challenge the safeties. He is a great utility player to have on your team.” He scored 25 on the Wonderlic and has had weight problems in the past. “He’s one of those dumpy-body looking guys that makes you think he isn’t athletic but he is,” another scout said. “Really good all-around player.” From Shoreview, Calif.

7. HUNTER BRYANT, Washington (6-2, 248, 4.75, 4-5): Personnel men for several teams expressed considerable concern about Bryant, a third-year junior with a long medical history (knee, back, hamstring). He missed time in his first two seasons but started all 12 games in 2019. “He’s a sawed-off, muscled-up dude,” said one scout. “Definitely a receiving tight end. He’s somebody you can move around and kind of take advantage of some mismatches against linebackers. Really good hands. Gives effort in the run game. He does enough. He gets in the way or seals people off. You can put him in the backfield. He’s not going to be that physical root-somebody-out kind of guy when you line him up at fullback. The versatility is what attracts me to him.” Finished with 85 catches for 1,394 (16.4) and five TDs. “I didn’t like him,” said another scout. “Most of these guys will try. He doesn’t even try to block. I don’t think he’s that athletic for being that small. Very inconsistent. Late pick.” He scored 29 on the Wonderlic and is from Issaquah, Wash.

OTHERS, in order: Brycen Hopkins, Purdue; Thaddeus Moss, LSU; Colby Parkinson, Stanford; Dalton Keene, Virginia Tech; Sean McKeon, Michigan; Cheyenne O’Grady, ex-Arkansas; Jared Pinkney, Vanderbilt; Stephen Sullivan, LSU; Charlie Taumoepeau, Portland State; Jacob Breeland, Oregon; Ahmad Wagner, Kentucky; Kyle Markway, South Carolina; Mitchell Wilcox, South Florida.

THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO

Isaiah Coulter, WR, Rhode Island:
Bidding to become the Rams’ first drafted player since 1986 when T Bob White went in the seventh round to the Jets. Lightly recruited, he improved each of his three seasons before surprisingly declaring a year early. Lean at 6-2, 198, but ran fast (4.42) and is a smooth route runner.

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU:
As the son of Hall of Fame WR Randy Moss, there are advantages and disadvantages. Moss played just one season for the Tigers as the fifth wheel in a wildly explosive offense, so scouts wonder how much of his production (47 receptions, four TDs) was the result of defenses basically ignoring him. Medically excluded at the combine, Moss’ 40 time has been estimated at 4.85 and 4.9. At his size (6-2, 250), that type of speed won’t cut it.

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

C.O. Brocato:
Anyone who ever scouted the Southwest knew him and no doubt liked him. For more than 40 years he worked for the Houston Oilers/Tennessee Titans, driving from his home in Arlington, Texas to colleges throughout Texas, Arkansas and elsewhere. Not only was Brocato an engaging personality, he also was a pioneer in terms of drills used at the combine and elsewhere. He deserves credit for coming up with the 3-cone run of today that replaced the outmoded four-square run. He died in 2015 at age 85.

QUOTE TO NOTE

NFC personnel executive:
“Lamb, Shenault and Aiyuk aren’t your natural, traditional, fluid, route-running receivers. They’re almost Anquan Boldin types, but today people say Deebo Samuel. You get the ball out quick, run after catch, end around, slip screens, that kind of stuff they’re doing so much more now of with receivers.”
 
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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top offensive linemen
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-’17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

This is the second of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into the offensive line. You can find Wednesday’s piece on wide receivers and tight ends here.


Accentuating the positive is a way of life for analysts drawing a paycheck from networks that televise National Football League games — and from the league itself. Happy talk makes friends and generates hope while obscuring the stark reality of every draft day.
Jason Licht, the general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, sliced well beyond the Pollyannish last week in a briefing with reporters.
“Across the league, it’s 50-50 whether any first-round pick is going to be a player or not three years down the road,” he said. “It’s 50-50 from the first pick down to the 32nd pick.”

When applied to the tackle position, regarded as one of the best in this draft, it means two of the four players expected to be selected in the first 15 to 20 picks figure to be disappointments, if not busts, by 2023. That grim analysis apparently is why GMs get paid the big bucks.

At least almost everyone is in the same pressurized boat when it comes to tackles.

“There’s no team that feels good about its two tackles,” an AFC personnel man said. “Maybe one or two teams in the league. Everyone needs to get better.

“Where are you going to get them? You’re not going to get a tackle in the third round or the fourth round. If you want a guy, you’ve got to get a guy.”

Since time immemorial, the winners will be the two teams that pick the two tackles who can play and the losers will be the two teams that pick the two tackles who can’t, at least according to Licht’s viewpoint that is widely shared in the league. The prospects/suspects presumably at the head of the class, in alphabetical order, are Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Alabama’s Jedrick Wills and Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs. (Wirfs is ranked below in our Guard category).

“It has talent, but it has questions,” the AFC exec said of the tackle group. “Andrew Thomas had a couple average games late in the season but early played really well. Wirfs is physically gifted, but it doesn’t always translate. With Becton, consistency is the question. Wills, I think he could play left tackle, but that’s going to take some time.”

An AFC personnel director rated Wills No. 1 because he sees him as a complete player. As for the others, he said, “Wirfs has unbelievable athleticism but needs to finish a little better.

“If Becton is motivated enough he can be the best of the group. But he’s going to have to find the work ethic, drive and the coachability that NFL teams will demand.

“Thomas is athletically very gifted. He’s probably got to work on his anchor and his strength a little bit.”

Then there was this from another executive who underscored the crapshoot the draft is at every position.

“I think the tackle class is really overrated,” he said. “There’s not a great one, not a Joe Thomas, in the group. All these guys have their warts.”

Part of the problem is the top four tackles all spent just three seasons in college. Offensive line was the last position to see large numbers of underclassmen declaring for the draft. A general feeling persisted for years that offensive linemen needed as much physical maturation as possible before going pro.

In 2000, just two of the top offensive linemen were juniors. Marvel Smith, a tackle from Arizona State, and Cosey Coleman, a guard from Tennessee, were taken in the second round. In 2010, just three of the top 10 vote-getters in my poll of the top offensive linemen were juniors. Two tackles, Rutgers’ Anthony Davis and Iowa’s Bryan Bulaga, were taken in the first round as was center Maurkice Pouncey of Florida.

In 2020, 10 of the top 11 vote-getters in the same poll asking scouts to rank their top offensive linemen regardless of position were underclassmen. The only senior, Houston’s Josh Jones, finished eighth in the voting.

“If you’re decent now it’s three years and you’re coming out,” one scout said. “Some guys redshirt and come out in two. Not a lot of them stay in college anymore.”

It’s almost reached the point where if a top player plays out his collegiate eligibility something must be wrong with him.
“They’ve been thrust up there as the unquestioned top four because they’re juniors,” said a personnel man. “The media just kind of does that with juniors. They just assume these guys are great prospects because they’re coming out early, and they’re not.”

My poll of 17 personnel people over the last two weeks showed four juniors packed together at the top with almost no separation. Scouts were asked to rank their top six offensive linemen, with a first-place vote worth 6 points, a second worth 5 and so on. Thomas led with 78 points and seven firsts but tight on his heels were Becton (75, five), Wills (71, two) and Wirfs (71, three).

“There’s no consensus with these guys,” an NFC personnel director said. “We have different orders between scouts, coaches. It’s kind of your flavor. You probably will get six tackles (in the first round) but there’s only four you feel good about. Then it falls off.”
There have been only two instances in my polling over the last 12 years in which the vote for the best offensive linemen had so little clarity at the top.

In 2017, Alabama’s Cam Robinson led with 59 points followed by Utah’s Garett Bolles with 57 and Wisconsin’s Ryan Ramczyk with 53. In 2009, Baylor’s Jason Smith led with 74 points followed by Alabama’s Andre Smith with 70 and Virginia’s Eugene Monroe with 64.
Ramczyk, the No. 32 pick, made first-team All-Pro this season for New Orleans whereas Bolles (No. 20, Denver) and Robinson (No. 34, Jacksonville) remain below-average starters. A decade before, Monroe (No. 10, Jacksonville) enjoyed a slightly better career than Andre Smith (No. 6, Cincinnati), although neither made a Pro Bowl, whereas Jason Smith (No. 2, St. Louis) saw his career ruined by concussions.
Before the draft in 2009, Chicago GM Jerry Angelo offered perspective that rings true today.

“One thing about tackles, the reason they go in the first round is the value,” said Angelo. “Not necessarily because they’re the 25th, 26th-best player in the draft. It’s the value of the position. That’s what speaks volumes.”

There was a precipitous drop off to fifth place in this year’s poll. That was Cesar Ruiz, who totaled 16 points. Others receiving votes were Austin Jackson (12), Isaiah Wilson (10), Josh Jones (five), Ezra Cleveland (four), Lloyd Cushenberry (four), Matt Hennessy (four), Hakeem Adeniji (three), Matt Peart (two) and Robert Hunt and Shane LeMieux, each one.

Meanwhile, at center, some teams like the group while others don’t. There seemed to be close to unanimity when it came to guard, where one team emerged from meetings with merely three draftable players.

“The bar is so low for centers and guards in the NFL,” said one executive. “People are just so desperate for bodies.

“There’s a premium on the D-line. So, if you have any degree of size of ability at all, they put you on defense. So you’re always getting the seconds for those interior spots (on the offensive line).

“The way the game is played in college, you’re in a two-point stance. It’s all hurry-up, no-huddle. If you can just engage your opponent, it’s a win. The line play is so bad. They want to run 99 plays and wear the defense down. If they can get three guys to stay upright in the middle, that’s good enough.”

Another evaluator drily observed, “They all get drafted if they’re offensive linemen.”

RANKING THE OFFENSIVE LINEMEN


“I thought he was the most natural and productive of all these guys,” one scout said of Georgia’s Andrew Thomas. (Matt Stamey-USA TODAY Sports)

TACKLES

1. ANDREW THOMAS, Georgia (6-5, 315, 5.17, 1): Thomas started at RT as a true freshman and at LT the past two seasons. “I thought he was the most natural and productive of all these guys,” one scout said. “He rarely gets beat. Has long arms (36 1/8 inches), and he plays with ‘em. Redirects well.” Thomas is a three-sport athlete from Lithonia, Ga. “Never have an issue with him,” another scout said. “This kid will pick up the system immediately. Cannot say enough good stuff about him. He’s a legit starter right away.” Scored 28 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “Would like to see a more aggressive finish,” a third scout said. “Doesn’t move defenders with power. Considering his athleticism, he’s on the ground a little more than I expected. Will need to get stronger in his drive blocks. I have questions about his skill set.” Some scouts say his feet are more than adequate for a LT. Others disagree. “Struggles against speed,” a fourth scout said. “Some of the pass-pro deficiencies make you want to think he’s more of a right tackle. What keeps you in the boat with Andrew is that everyone at Georgia really says high things about his football makeup and character. It’s an intangible-based position. At minimum, you’ll have a really good, solid starter because he’ll do all the right things.”

2. MEKHI BECTON, Louisville (6-7 ½, 357, 5.11, 1): Started at RT as a true freshman and at LT the past two seasons. “He has the highest ceiling,” said one scout. “You shouldn’t have the initial lateral quickness at that size that this guy has. There’s some rawness there (but) he could be a perennial Pro Bowl type.” That personnel man tabbed Becton as the No. 1 lineman in the draft. So did this scout, who said, “You know what? You can’t get around him. He’s athletic enough to block DBs in space. He can bend his lower body. He has strong hands. One concern I had was he was knock-kneed. You can’t say he’s Trent Williams. He’s like Orlando Brown (6-8, 340, 5.68) of the Ravens.” Another scout compared him to former Viking LT Bryant McKinnie (6-8, 343, 5.38), the seventh pick in 2002. “But he’s tougher than McKinnie,” the scout said. “He doesn’t play hard all the time…but he takes care of business. He’s been as high as 388, as low as 350. Will fatigue a little bit. Trustworthy. A teddy bear. He’s a pretty squared-away guy.” He matured significantly as a player and learned to play through injury in 2019. “He’s not one of those overweight, lazy guys,” a third scout said. “He can move and he competes. He’s what everybody’s looking for.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 15, and his arms were 35 5/8, hands were 10 ¾. “Know why I have him fifth (on his vote)?” said a fourth scout. “Because he loves to cook and eat more than he loves frigging football…He can be a freak now. You could hit on him. You know what he is? He’s Trent Brown (6-8 ½, 353, 5.26).” Becton is from Highland Springs, Va.

3. JEDRICK WILLS, Alabama (6-4, 312, 5.06, 1): Wills, from Lexington, Ky., improved as much if not more than any player in the draft last season, according to one scout. “He’s got feet, he’s got flexibility and he competes really hard,” said another scout. “Really good with his drive block. Square pass protection. Runs and pulls with ease. Really light on his feet. Pretty good in space. His height is OK.” The third-year junior played RT only, protecting Tua Tagovailoa’s blind side. “I think he does have left-tackle feet but I don’t think he’s a left tackle,” said a third scout. “You may try to kick him to left but people don’t know how hard that is, especially when you haven’t done it.” Two-year starter. “I like Wills as a right tackle or guard because he’s tough and plays hard, but he’s not a left tackle,” another scout said. “He needed extra time there.” Scored 9 on his first attempt at the Wonderlic, which teams traditionally have regarded as the most telling score, but he scored 23 on his second try. “We interviewed him twice,” said one scout. “He wouldn’t scare you off. I would say it (the Wonderlic) is not (a big concern).” He produced the best vertical jump (34 ½) of the tackles. “I don’t get the whole excitement with him, and I’ve watched a ton of tape,” another scout said. “I don’t think he plays very athletically. He’s not a finisher. He doesn’t redirect very well. Not a strong, tough guy. He worked out well. I just don’t see the movement, finish, talent of a first-round guy.”

4. AUSTIN JACKSON, USC (6-5, 322, 5.08, 1-2): Jackson is a third-year junior with two seasons as the starter at LT. “As far as the way he looks – the frame, the long arms, the bubble, the bend – you’re, like, ‘OK, this guy’s going to be really good,’” said one scout. “But he’s a hands-outside guy, which is kind of hard to fix. With his hands going outside and bending at the waist, he had a terrible outing against (A.J.) Epenesa in the bowl game. He’s the boom-or-bust of this group. He’s either going to hit big and be a starter for a long time, or he’ll bust out and people will say, ‘He wasn’t any different than I thought.’ Very, very inconsistent.’” In July, he became a bone marrow donor for his sister Autumn. “He basically saved her life,” another scout said. “They corkscrewed into his hip, twice on the left and once on the right, to get the marrow out. When he recovered his hip flexibility was not what it used to be. He lost like 25 pounds. If you look at the early tape you go, ‘What the hell? This guy is thinking about coming out?’ He was getting beat on the edges because he couldn’t move laterally. It wasn’t until the seventh or eighth game where he was starting to feel normal. His best football is ahead of him. Awesome kid.” He posted a 25 on the Wonderlic and his broad jump of 9-7 led tackles. “He makes run and pass look easy,” another scout said. “Guy doesn’t work up a sweat. Has the feet to play left tackle. Needs a little work.” Added another executive: “One thing to think about, he missed all last offseason and now he’s going to miss this whole offseason. So the idea he’s got to get stronger … well, when? Next year?” Jackson is from Phoenix. His grandfather, Mel, started at RG for Green Bay in 1977-’78.

5. ISAIAH WILSON, Georgia (6-6 ½, 350, 5.37, 1-2): Wilson is a third-year sophomore with 24 starts at RT. “He’s just gigantic,” said one scout. “Size is his best friend. He is so big. Not top-flight foot movement but good enough for being that big. He’s strong and he’s tough. I doubt that (first round). That would shock me.” He played opposite Thomas, giving the Bulldogs possibly the nation’s heaviest line. “Like him,” another scout said. “He’s massive. He moves good. He’s got great length. I think he’s a starting right tackle and will play for a while.” Arms were 35 ½, hands were 10 ¼. “He is one tough, nasty guy,” said a third scout. “I guess you could play him on the left side and get by with him.” He posted a 28 on the Wonderlic. “He wasn’t ready to come out,” said a fourth scout. “He needed another year. He’s really susceptible to a good bull rush. For being such a big human being there’s some functional lightness to that guy. He looks like a big mountain of a man but he doesn’t play real heavy. You can take him down the middle.” Wilson is from Brooklyn, N.Y. Added a fifth scout: “He is big but he’s so bad technique. He ducks his head, he bends at the waist. But that (guy) is big. He could be a star or bust.”



“He’ll be a solid pass protector. I think he’s steady. He’ll be close to the first (round),” one scout said of Boise State’s Ezra Cleveland. (AP Photo/Steve Conner)

6. EZRA CLEVELAND, Boise State (6-6, 311, 4.97, 1-2): Cleveland is a three-year starter at LT. “He’s a really good athlete,” said one scout. “He’ll be a solid pass protector. I think he’s steady. He tested out really well. He’ll be close to the first (round). Tackles go.” Lightly recruited out of Spanaway, Wash. “He reminds me of some of the guys Green Bay has had over the years,” said a second scout. “(Bryan) Bulaga, (David) Bakhtiari, guys that kind of are just functional and get the job done. They’re not spectacular, just steady … if Cleveland didn’t have to interview people would really like him. But his interview was so low energy and just kind of flat line that it kind of just scared people. He’s so Steady Eddie. It’s not that he’s a bad guy at all. Cleveland … he’s Boise, he’s a junior, he’s got to get stronger. But he is athletic.” He played most of 2019 with turf toe injury. Led tackles in five categories: the 40, Wonderlic (30), bench press (30), short shuttle (4.46) and 3-cone (7.26). Arms were just 33 3/8, hands were a tiny 9. “Everybody’s high on him,” said another scout. “Why am I not that high on him? There’s a degree of tightness in his hips. Has balance issues. I question his lower-body strength. Not going to beat point-of-attack defenders. Finesse guy that uses his size. Size defenders knock him around. I question his lateral adjust. But guys like him.”

7. JOSH JONES, Houston (6-5, 319, 5.28, 2): Spent five years with the Cougars, starting at LT from 2016-’19. “He almost left Houston as a grad transfer,” one scout said. “He was fed up with all the coaching changes and no continuity or stability. He stayed one more year and it paid off for him. He’s a basketball-background guy. This was his real year of production and got on the radar of people. He’s athletic. Sort of technique-flawed. It’ll take him a little time to get it all buttoned up. He’s a serviceable, functional NFL tackle. You can get by with him, I think.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 14 and his arms were 33 7/8, hands were 10 1/8. “Understands how to use his hands in pass pro,” said a second scout. “Struggles to move guys at the point of attack. Inconsistent.” Didn’t start playing football until his sophomore year of high school in Richmond, Texas. “He’s not a kid you want to sign off on completely,” a third scout said. “He definitely showed flashes of talent. He’s a little bit inconsistent. Pass pro’s his thing. His run blocking is a little iffy.”

8. MATT PEART, Connecticut (6-6 ½, 318, 5.10, 2-3): He should be a starter in his second season, according to one scout. “He really surprised me,” said one scout. “I haven’t watched them (Connecticut) in years. They may be the worst program in the country. But he has great feet. He’s a natural left tackle. No punch as a run blocker. Better tenacity than strength. Heck of a pass blocker.” Born in Jamaica, Peart emigrated to the U.S. in 2002. “There’s good and bad with him,” a second scout said. “Probably the longest guy (36 5/8 arms) in the draft. He’s got a big basketball player’s build. But he doesn’t have any strength. He’s not a throwaway. If somebody gets him in a good strength program … He’s got interests outside of football, which isn’t typical for an offensive lineman. He’s not a bad kid; you just want to make sure he’s committed. He has developmental starter ability.” He started at RT in 2016-’17 and at LT in 2018-’19. Name me an offensive lineman for UConn in the last 25 years,” said a third scout. “Just name one.” Peart posted a Wonderlic of 20.

9. PRINCE TEGA WANOGHO, Auburn (6-5, 305, no 40, 2-3): Their calling card is the ability to negate the up-field rush, according to one scout, but struggles mightily against counter moves inside. “He’ll be a second-round pick,” another scout said. “He’s close to the first. He’s real quick. He’s got short arms (33 ½), which is concerning. Good agility, good movement, good effort.”He came to the U.S. from Nigeria in August 2014 to play basketball in Montgomery, Ala. “He doesn’t know that much about football,” said another scout. “He’s going to (need) some reps. He’s not ready to play right now. He’s not going to be an instant asset to you, but he will become a starter. I’d take a chance on him in the second round.” Teams expressed concern about an injury history that includes a tibia-fibula fracture in 2015 and arthroscopic knee surgery in January. Spent five years at Auburn, starting 32 games at LT. “Doesn’t play with urgency,” said another scout. “Constantly late out of his stance. Has issues at the second level. He’s got a little work to do.”

10. LUCAS NIANG, TCU (6-6, 315, no 40, 4): Niang made 27 starts at RT over the past three seasons. “He’s a big, talented guy, but he’s inconsistent,” one scout said. “You would like a guy as big as him to be a little more dominant. I don’t want to go so far as to say he’s not tough, but he’s not as tough as he should be for as big as he is. That plays into who the kid is. He comes from money. He doesn’t have to have football. Some of these guys are living for it. I don’t know if that’s the case with him. He does have starter talent.” Regarded as a distinct medical concern for several teams because of a labrum tear in his hip that required surgery in October. “He’s a strong, very physical right tackle,” another scout said. “He’s an adequate pass blocker but doesn’t have the feet to play left tackle. He’s the type of guy that plays.” From New Canaan, Conn, he’s lived in Switzerland and is fluent in French.

OTHERS, in order: Saahdiq Charles, LSU; Jack Driscoll, Auburn; Yasir Durant, Missouri; Charlie Heck, North Carolina; Alex Taylor, South Carolina State; Colton McKivitz, West Virginia; Trey Adams, Washington; Tyre Phillips, Mississippi State; Terence Steele, Texas Tech; Blake Brandel, Oregon State; Anthony McKinney, TCU; Drew Richmond, USC.

GUARDS


“You may start Tristan Wirfs at right tackle but eventually you’ll move him inside to guard,” one scout said.

1. TRISTAN WIRFS, Iowa (6-5, 320, 4.87, 1): Wirfs is a third-year junior from Mount Vernon, Iowa (pop. 4,000). “All-state wrestler,” said one scout. “May be a better guard. Strong, physical run blocker. Has enough size and strength not to get bull-rushed. Strong hips. You may start him at right tackle, but eventually you’ll move him inside to guard.” Made 29 starts at RT, four at LT. “After he tested at the combine people started saying, ‘He can play left tackle,’” said another scout. “There’s no verifiable evidence of that. He was not good at left tackle for Iowa.” He blew out the combine with guard-bests in the 40, vertical jump (36 ½) and broad jump (10-1). “You can play him anywhere you want,” a third scout said. “He’s really good. He had great numbers at the combine but other than blocking the inside power move all he needs is technique. He’ll be a star.” He posted a Wonderlic of 23. “He’s a better athlete than football player at this point,” said a fourth scout. “He isn’t your typical polished Iowa NFL-ready guy from a technique and awareness standpoint. He’s not ready to play. Where you draft him you’re going to have to plug him in and start him, and he’s going to lose you some games next year. But he’s obviously a phenomenal test athlete so some team will get enamored with that. The tape is really up and down.”

2. ROBERT HUNT, Louisiana (6-5, 323, no 40, 2): Started at LG in 2016-’17 and at RT in 2018-’19. “Tough guy,” said one scout. “Got some initial pop. He can strike you. Not an elite athlete. Got some waist-bend issues. But there’s a lot to work with.” His chances for an early selection took a hit because of a groin injury that required surgery in January and cost him the last seven games and post-season participation. “Had he been able to go to the Senior Bowl and showed out against tough competition he might be a guy we’re talking about late in the first round,” another scout said. “He plays with a mean streak. He’s powerful. He can move people.” His Wonderlic score of 13 was second-lowest among the top guards. “He’s actually much more football smart than you want to give him credit for,” said a third scout. “He’s going to go pretty high because he can play four positions. He’s a little bit rough around the edges. You don’t want to rush him. You don’t want to depend on him to do too much. Maybe third round, but tackles usually get overdrafted so second wouldn’t surprise me.” From Burkeville, Texas.

3. SHANE LeMIEUX, Oregon (6-4, 308, 5.12, 3): Started all 52 games at LG from 2016-’19. “That is a tough, competitive bastard,” one scout said. “It surprised me. I wouldn’t think coming out of the Oregon offense there would be a guy like this from what they do. But this guy’s mean. He’s limited athletically a little bit. He’s got straight-line speed but some stiffness. Once you get him out in space he struggles a little bit. He’s more of a power-game player.” Short arms (32 ¼), relatively smaller hands (9 ½). Two scouts said he reminded them of Richie Incognito. “Just style of play, nasty, strong hands, sturdy in pass pro — not all the other stuff (with Incognito),” said one. “Not the most agile in space. Grit, finishing to the whistle, that’s him. Realistically, he’ll probably go third, fourth round. Wherever he goes, I think he’s a starter.” He’s from Yakima, Wash. “Sort of a meat-and-potatoes guard,” said a third scout. “Probably a one-spot guy. You can’t move him all over the place. He’s solid. He’ll be an NFL starter.”

4. JONAH JACKSON, Ohio State (6-3 ½, 306, 5.26, 3): Jackson started for 1 ½ seasons before graduating from Rutgers and playing a final season at the other end of the Big Ten standings as a grad transfer. “You walked on the field at Ohio State and looked at the offensive linemen and you could pick out the guy from Rutgers right away,” said one scout. “He’s got a horrible body. He’s a little bit behind having been at Rutgers. The beginning-of-the-year film wasn’t as good in a new scheme. But then, by the end of the year, he was playing well, and he did well at the Senior Bowl. He doesn’t do everything pretty, but he’s a good football player. He’s a great, great guy, and he’s got some mean to him.” Started 16 games for the Scarlet Knights, mostly at RG but also three times at center, before moving to LG in Columbus. “I hate Rutgers players, but that Jackson kid, he’ll play 10 years,” said another scout. “He’s a tough (guy) and he’s smart.” From Media, Pa.

5. BEN BARTCH, St. John’s (Minn.) (6-5 ½, 309, 5.16, 3): Reminiscent of Ali Marpet, an NCAA Division III guard from Hobart (N.Y.) who was the Buccaneers’ second-round pick in 2015. Marpet is a five-year interior starter for Tampa Bay. “He’s the best small-school guy since Ali Marpet,” said one personnel man. “This Bartch kid may surprise everybody. They go down to the Senior Bowl and they either wilt or they fit in. He fit in.” Bartch made four receptions in two seasons as a backup TE for the Johnnies, located in Collegeville, Minn., before adding weight and making the move to LT in 2018. He also played tackle in Mobile but some teams say his arm length (32 7/8) is better suited inside. “He liked the weight room,” said another scout. “He put on a ton of weight (he was 280 last spring). It’s a small-college weight room, and he had to eat on his own and all that stuff. I think he did the most that he possibly could with his development. He’s an intriguing guy, for sure. He has the temperament that you want.” Bartch is from McMinnville. Ore.

6. DAMIEN LEWIS, LSU (6-2, 327, 5.24, 3-4): Lewis played two seasons of junior-college ball before starting all 28 games at RG from 2018-’19 for LSU. “Like him,” said one scout. “He is f—— powerful. He’s short, but he’s compact. The key with him is, will he be able to play center? He’s a really good Day 3 guy. He’s too short but he’ll end up playing for somebody.” His ability to play center might hinge on his ability to make the line calls. His Wonderlic score of 11 was low among the top guards. “Wasn’t crazy about him,” said another scout. “Typical big, slow guy. Competes. Wasn’t much there.” Lewis is from Canton, Miss.

7. JOHN SIMPSON, Clemson (6-4, 320, 5.26, 4): Simpson backed up for two years before starting all 29 games at LG in 2018-’19. “There are some flashes of him controlling or pressing out defensive linemen but also inconsistencies,” said one scout. “Lacks true explosive power off the ball and shock on contact.” Weighed 336 a year ago. “He’s tough but he has no feet,” said a second scout. “Clemson’s offensive line, with the exception of the (sophomore) left tackle, was not good.” Had the most bench-press reps (34), the longest arms (34 1/8) and the biggest hands (11 ¼) among the top guards. “He did just enough to keep you interested,” said a third scout. “Problem is, he’s a guard only. That reduces his value.” From Charleston, S.C.

8. HAKEEM ADENIJI, Kansas (6-4 ½, 301, 5.18, 4): Four-year starter at LT. “I like that guy,” one scout said. “He’s developed a lot over the last two years and has more to go. Maybe the volatility of that program has held him back a little bit. He had four different offensive line coaches during his time there. Smart kid, good kid, good athlete, has the right size, has the right feet, has the right length (33 ¾ arms). I think he’ll start out at guard, but ultimately I think he’d be better as a tackle because he’s more long and athletic than strong and stout.” His Wonderlic score of 34 led the top-10 guards and he had a strong week at the Senior Bowl. “I don’t like him,” said another scout. “Small-boned athlete. Not a very strong player. Hips get high in pass protection. Wish I saw better control of his body. Doesn’t always finish. … He just kind of creeps around and gets in the way. He’d be an oozer, too.” From Garland, Texas.

9. KEVIN DOTSON, Louisiana (6-4, 313, no 40, 4-5): Dotson wasn’t invited to the combine. “He’s very intriguing,” said one scout. “He’s going to be one of the first non-combine guys taken. He’s physical. He doesn’t give up any pressure. One of the more productive players in that conference (Sun Belt).” He started 52 of 53 games at RG. Dotson, who’s from East Iberville, La., is the son of a high school coach. His two uncles, DT Alvin McKinley and FB Dennis McKinley, were drafted in the middle rounds and had substantial NFL careers. Short arms (32 ½) but big hands (10 5/8). “He’s got stiff ankles,” another scout said. “Non-athletic power guard. Phone-booth kind of player. He might be a late pick.”

10. LOGAN STENBERG, Kentucky (6-6, 317, 5.34, 4-5): Stenberg was a three-year starter at LG. “Remember Joe Jacoby and Conrad Dobler, guys like that?” one scout said. “He’s an old-time player. They just want to get in the dirt. I’m sure if he doesn’t get 60 pins a game he’s had a bad game. Tough, nasty, mauler type. Questionable lateral quickness and change of direction. I don’t like this guy as an athlete, but I like him as a player. These guys line up and play.” He has short arms (32 ½) and was heavily penalized, but he’s durable. Another scout calls Stenberg, from Madison, Ala, a “country boy … he has a pickup truck, chews tobacco. Mother’s a teacher, father’s retired Army lieutenant colonel. Has a farm now and raises cattle. Smart kid.”

OTHERS, in order: Ben Bredeson, Michigan; Netane Muti, Fresno State; Tremayne Anchrum, Clemson; Michael Onwenu, Michigan; Cameron Clark, Charlotte; Jon Runyan, Michigan; John Molchon, Boise State; Solomon Kindley, Georgia; Kyle Murphy, Rhode Island; Cordel Iwuagwu, TCU; Simon Stepaniak, Indiana.



“I think he’s going to be a Pro Bowl center,” one scout said of Michigan’s Cesar Ruiz. (Photo by Jamie Sabau/Getty Images)

CENTERS

1. CESAR RUIZ, Michigan (6-2 ½, 307, 5.11, 1-2): Ruiz started five games at RG as a true freshman and then all 26 at center the past two seasons before declaring a year early. “I think he’s going to be a Pro Bowl center,” said one scout. He had a long afternoon against Alabama’s Raekwon Davis in the Citrus Bowl, according to one scout. “He’s like a (Garrett) Bradbury,” the scout said. “He’s really going to be excellent for a zone team because he’s so quick. Really got to the second level. Only negative I had was the strength thing. He just had OK strength. He’ll have problems like Bradbury has problems, but he can do all the stuff that Bradbury did.” Led the centers in vertical jump (33), broad jump (9-5), bench press (28) and hand size (11). His arms were 33 1/8. “He’s the top center,” said a third scout. “Right at prototype from the size and the length. He’s got good feet and movement skills. Smart, strong, good hands.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 21. “We have some division on him,” said a fourth scout. “I think he will be a starter. I don’t know if he’ll be a win-with starter. I don’t think he’s a great athlete. He is strong, really strong naturally. He didn’t measure as big as we thought he’d be. He’s better than Mason Cole as a center. He wasn’t a guy that excited me, but there’s only 32 centers.” Ruiz is from Camden, N.J.

2. LLOYD CUSHENBERRY, LSU (6-3, 312, 5.28, 2-3): Cushenberry, from Carvilla, La., is a fourth-year junior and a two-year starter. “He’ll be a Pro Bowl center,” said one scout. “His wingspan (84 ¼ inches) is the longest I’ve ever seen on a center. Phenomenal kid. Held his own against (Javon) Kinlaw in the one-on-one’s (at the Senior Bowl). He’s about the only one that did that. … Elgton Jenkins played great for the Packers (in 2019), but Cushenberry is a better prospect than Jenkins.” Made himself some money in Mobile. “I thought he was kind of a heavy-footed player,” another scout said. “At the Senior Bowl, he showed he had feet like a dancing bear. Now I think he’s going in the second. He’s got an anchor ass to him. Plays like a good athlete.” Longest arms (34 1/8) among centers, hands were 10 3/8. “He’s not displacing anybody (in the run game),” said another scout. “Can become a good depth player.” He posted a Wonderlic of 15. “He can anchor and has length,” a fourth scout said. “He does some nice things, but he gets beat too much when isolated.”

3. MATT HENNESSY, Temple (6-4, 307, 5.18, 3-4): Hennessy is a fourth-year junior and three-year starter. “He’s a really good technician,” said one scout. “Really light on his feet. He can bend. He’s tough. High intangibles. Not powerful, but not deficient.” Hennessy is from Bardonia, N.Y. and “people love him,” another scout said. “He worked out really well. Little bit physically overmatched but plays hard, gets after it, tough guy.” His Wonderlic of 34 was tops among centers. Arms were merely 32 ¼. “I thought he was fifth, sixth round,” a third scout said. “He’s not very big. He got tossed around. Their blocking scheme at Temple is everybody goes left or everybody goes right. Pass block, run block. You’re just sealing a gap. It’s not like taking somebody head-on all then time. I didn’t see him play to any of his numbers. He’s a good football player, but I think he’s a backup.”

4. DANNY PINTER, Ball State (6-4, 306, 4.88, 4-5): Pinter played TE in 2016-’17 (nine receptions) before moving to RT in the 2018 off-season. “He’s got 31 7/8 arms,” said one scout. “That’s why I made him a center. He’s going to make a hell of a center.” Center is purely a projection. “He worked out well,” said a second scout. “He’s a good athlete. But you’re talking about a guy from Ball State that you’re going to fall in love with as a center and you’ve never seen him play center?” He posted a Wonderlic of 27. “He can play center, which he’s been working at,” a third scout said. “Got all the intangibles for center. He’s athletic, super tough, really a competitive guy. Goes for the finish. Will take some work to develop him where he can play guard, too. He’s never done it. Awesome kid.” From South Bend, Ind.

5. NICK HARRIS, Washington (6-1, 302, 5.13, 5-6): Harris made 17 starts at guard in 2016-’17 before starting 25 games at center in 2018-’19. “He looks awful on the hoof,” one scout said. “He’s just a pear-shaped, bad-body guy. But you put the tape on and he’s a damn good player.” Harris is durable and smart (Wonderlic of 30). His arms were 32 1/8. “He’s fine, he’s a good athlete,” another scout said. “But I hope we play him.” Harris is from Inglewood, Calif. “I love him, but he’s small,” said a third scout. “He super smart, gets to the second level, all that. But it seems like every time he measured in somewhere he lost an inch. I think he’ll play because of who he is. I thought he’d be a second- or third-round pic but with those measurables it’ll scare teams off.”

OTHERS, in order: Keith Ismael, San Diego State; Tyler Biadasz, Wisconsin; Darryl Williams, Mississippi State; Trystan Colon-Castillo, Missouri; Cohl Cabral, Arizona State; Justin Herron, Wake Forest; Jake Hanson, Oregon.

THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO

Trey Adams, T, Washington:
The course of his career was altered in October 2017 when he suffered a torn ACL in a non-contact injury. Then he needed season-ending lumbar disc surgery two games into 2018. Adams (6-8, 318) returned to start at LT in ’19 but wasn’t effective and then ran 5.60 at the combine. “He was a sure-fire No. 1 pick in ’17,” said one scout. “After that he was a shadow of himself. Even when he walks now he looks like he’s still limping.”

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

Saahdiq Charles, T, LSU:
This is a first-round talent. Charles (6-4, 321, 4.98), a three-year starter at LG, has terrific feet, flexibility and body control. “Nobody ever beats this guy,” said one scout. “…But guys might get scared away from this dude.” Multiple failed drugs for marijuana led to a six-game suspension last season.

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

Joe Woolley: A long, tall Arkansan, he was a successful prep coach in Texas and then a scouting/personnel director for the Oilers, Saints, Eagles and Cardinals for about 20 years. One of Bum Phillips’ favorite people, Woolley worked under him in Houston and New Orleans before going to Philly and Phoenix with Buddy Ryan. In New Orleans, he was responsible for establishing an extensive film library that became a model for the NFL. Never one for a loss for words, Woolley loved to wisecrack at draft time. When asked about Wayne Simmons, the combustible linebacker from Clemson, not long before the 1993 draft, Woolley drawled, “Keep him sober and not beating up bartenders and he’ll be all right. He’s got a little shaky character in him but I’ll tell you what. I’d rather have them f—— that will fight than those that won’t.” Awaiting a heart transplant that never came, he died in 2003 at age 65.

QUOTE TO NOTE

NFL executive in personnel: “Here’s the problem. Those guys at (Louisiana) Lafayette and Temple and Houston and Florida Atlantic, they have never seen an NFL defensive lineman. They never have gone against one in those leagues. They don’t know what one looks like. It’s called level of competition. That’s why I watch SEC film. Even Big Ten guys play against better competition than they do.”
 

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I've had similar thoughts on this OT class, all 4 of the top guys are impressive prospects but Thomas is the only true LT of the group and there's a very strong argument that Wirfs and Wills are best suited to RT or even OG, which is fine, but you definitely feel like these guys are getting pushed up the board because teams have such a tough time finding OT's.

I keep thinking of how this guy Kolton Miller got drafted ridiculously high a few years ago and he basically sucked at UCLA. I haven't followed his career with the Raiders but I can't imagine he's better than average and he went like 14th overall.

There are probably only about 3-4 teams that have elite-level OT's on both sides, the rest of the league ranges from complete shit to decent at at least one of the two spots.
 

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A lot of people point to his run after the catch, but I think you have to evaluate the guys trying to tackle him. He’s playing against some really bad Big 12 defenses. You’re just not going up against NFL people in that league. I’m just not a big believer in his skill set transitioning.”
Spoken like a "scout" who clearly didn't scout Lamb.
  • As a freshman in the Rose Bowl vs Georgia he had 6 catches for 66 yards receiving and one passing TD.
  • The following year vs Alabama in the CFB playoffs he had 8 catches for 109 yards and 1 TD.
  • And just 3 months ago vs LSU in the CFB playoffs he had 4 catches for 119 yards.
So that "he's playing against some really bad Big 12 defenses." comment doesn't carry a lot of weight when evaluating Lamb. This is just more lazy analysis from guys who are actually being paid to do this. No wonder teams miss on so many players. Too many of these guys don't know how to check their biases/prejudices at the door.
 

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Spoken like a "scout" who clearly didn't scout Lamb.
  • As a freshman in the Rose Bowl vs Georgia he had 6 catches for 66 yards receiving and one passing TD.
  • The following year vs Alabama in the CFB playoffs he had 8 catches for 109 yards and 1 TD.
  • And just 3 months ago vs LSU in the CFB playoffs he had 4 catches for 119 yards.
So that "he's playing against some really bad Big 12 defenses." comment doesn't carry a lot of weight when evaluating Lamb. This is just more lazy analysis from guys who are actually being paid to do this. No wonder teams miss on so many players. Too many of these guys don't know how to check their biases/prejudices at the door.
The draft is an art not a science, if you're hitting on just 50% of your picks you're way ahead of the game, so every team is going to have misses on top of misses on top of misses. With that said, I've been around scouts and I can guarantee you that a large number of them are just regular joe idiots who happened to fall into the profession one way or another, whether through some sort of family connection, through a connection they made when playing college ball, etc.

The scouting population is just like the general population, some extremely smart guys, some major idiots, lots of in between, and like in any industry you have guys who are really talented/dedicated and other guys who basically just half ass it and stick around while being mediocre at their job.

A pretty high ranking personnel guy, not a GM, but a "number 2"/VP type literally said that half the scouts around the league are "full of shit, don't know anything and parrot guys like Kiper/Mayock", almost verbatim. This was a few years ago so Mayock was still in the media.

I've always been pretty skeptical of the idea that many casual fans have that "scouts" are the be all, end all of football knowledge or evaluating talent, but even I was shocked to hear something like that come from a guy in his position who had been in the NFL as long as he has.
 

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He’s lived life in the ultimate football playground. Speed merchants on the outside. Point guard at quarterback. 5-star offensive line. Draftable running back. He plays in the slot and was never pressed. He’s got a three-way go every route. If you draft him to be your No. 1 and you put him at X and they have a 6-1 corner rolled up in his face with a safety over the top and a linebacker buzzing from inside, life can be a heck of a lot different.
I'm glad this scout made this point.

As much as people throw up the caution flag about production put up vs Big 12 defenses, I think this an equal concern when trying to evaluate what the player can do at the next level.

These guys playing for Clemson and Bama are basically playing on Dream Teams every year. Once they go to the NFL where the talent is distributed more evenly and teams are able to easily throw double teams at WR, can Ruggs, Higgins, Jeudy still dominate like they did in college? They didn't have to do it much in college because there was usually another 4 or 5 star WR opposite of them as well as a 4 star TE.
 

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The draft is an art not a science, if you're hitting on just 50% of your picks you're way ahead of the game, so every team is going to have misses on top of misses on top of misses. With that said, I've been around scouts and I can guarantee you that a large number of them are just regular joe idiots who happened to fall into the profession one way or another, whether through some sort of family connection, through a connection they made when playing college ball, etc.

The scouting population is just like the general population, some extremely smart guys, some major idiots, lots of in between, and like in any industry you have guys who are really talented/dedicated and other guys who basically just half ass it and stick around while being mediocre at their job.

A pretty high ranking personnel guy, not a GM, but a "number 2"/VP type literally said that half the scouts around the league are "full of shit, don't know anything and parrot guys like Kiper/Mayock", almost verbatim. This was a few years ago so Mayock was still in the media.

I've always been pretty skeptical of the idea that many casual fans have that "scouts" are the be all, end all of football knowledge or evaluating talent, but even I was shocked to hear something like that come from a guy in his position who had been in the NFL as long as he has.
I believe that and it doesn't surprise me at all.

Between all the levels of college football (FBS, FCS, Div III, etc.) my guess is there are probably well over 600 college football programs across the country. With that many teams and players to cover, I bet the hiring standard is considerably low and just about any old average Joe could be a certified scout. I'm sure the bar is set higher for FBS programs, especially across the southeast, but I bet for the majority of these guys the title of "scout" is applied very liberally.
 
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I believe that and it doesn't surprise me at all.

Between all the levels of college football (FBS, FCS, Div III, etc.) my guess is there are probably well over 600 college football programs across the country. With that many teams and players to cover, I bet the hiring standard is considerably low and just about any old average Joe could be a certified scout. I'm sure the bar is set higher for FBS programs, especially across the southeast, but I bet for the majority of these guys the title of "scout" is applied used very liberally.
The other thing is that most teams only have 10-12 "on the ground" scouts, if that, and there's literally no way that number of people can canvass that many universities/players at a deep, meaningful level. From what I've gathered most "on the ground" type scouts who are traveling around from campus to campus are almost background investigator types who are gathering information on the personality/work ethic/background concerns of prospects.

They write the initial reports but the ultimate evaluation/stacking of the board based on nuts and bolts football stuff is done by 3-4 guys at the top.
 

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I'm glad this scout made this point.

As much as people throw up the caution flag about production put up vs Big 12 defenses, I think this an equal concern when trying to evaluate what the player can do at the next level.

These guys playing for Clemson and Bama are basically playing on Dream Teams every year. Once they go to the NFL where the talent is distributed more evenly and teams are able to easily throw double teams at WR, can Ruggs, Higgins, Jeudy still dominate like they did in college? They didn't have to do it much in college because there was usually another 4 or 5 star WR opposite of them as well as a 4 star TE.
This is why you don't see a lot of big programs continually producing the top QBs. It's hard to say this year with Burrow and Tua being the top QBs from programs loaded with talent but these QBs with lots of talent around them going against teams with 2 and 3 star DBs just make it too easy sometimes. It's why when you look at Jalen Hurts numbers they look great but you have to put them in context a little. Look how he does against teams with similar talent. The guy has a star studded cast around him and a head coach who is a brilliant offensive mind.

But get to the NFL level and it's guys from Louisville, Texas Tech and Mississippi State leading the charge at QB. Because they actually had to deal with playing defenses with equal or better talent.
 

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This is why you don't see a lot of big programs continually producing the top QBs. It's hard to say this year with Burrow and Tua being the top QBs from programs loaded with talent but these QBs with lots of talent around them going against teams with 2 and 3 star DBs just make it too easy sometimes. It's why when you look at Jalen Hurts numbers they look great but you have to put them in context a little. Look how he does against teams with similar talent. The guy has a star studded cast around him and a head coach who is a brilliant offensive mind.

But get to the NFL level and it's guys from Louisville, Texas Tech and Mississippi State leading the charge at QB. Because they actually had to deal with playing defenses with equal or better talent.
Oklahoma’s offenses have had to carry the team for the past several seasons so it’s a trade off because outscoring opponents was the method that had to be utilized. The last 3 seasons in particular was an example of high production quarterbacks and receivers.
 

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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top quarterbacks
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-’17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

This is the third of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into quarterbacks. You can find offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.


On a scale of 1 to 10, what would be your level of concern regarding Tua Tagovailoa’s injury history?

A total of 18 executives in personnel were asked that question over the last three weeks, and their responses indicated deep-seated worry about the short- and long-term future for the left-handed quarterback from Alabama.

With 10 as the high end of the scale, the average for the panel was 7.6. There were three 10’s, seven 8’s, four 7’s, three 6’s and one 4.
“There is concern, serious concern, about the durability,” said a high-placed personnel man for an NFC team. “The ankle, the hip, the size, you name it. It’s hard because you can’t get your hands on him.”

Physicians from every team had the opportunity to examine Tagovailoa at the NFL combine in late February. The annual recheck scheduled for Indianapolis earlier this month was canceled because of the COVID-19 pandemic along with all other team-administered medical activities. Tagovailoa’s representatives recently released video of the quarterback stepping through movement drills. They say he has been cleared to compete. “That’s all agent stuff,” an AFC personnel man said. “I’m playing the odds. I don’t want to put my whole franchise on a left-handed, beat-up, 6-foot quarterback. No thank you.”

It’s known that three teams have Tagovailoa off their draft boards entirely. “It all depends on your doctors,” said one executive. How far Tagovailoa slips, if, in fact, he slips at all, will be one of the central storylines during Thursday’s draft. “He’s a great college player but, wow, he is fragile,” another AFC personnel man said. “He’s a super kid and I don’t wish ill will, but there’s three, four or five red flags staring us all in the face saying, ‘You know what? This guy’s not going to be all that he’s cracked up to be.’”

Certainly the worst of Tagovailoa’s many injuries was the traumatic hip injury that he suffered Nov. 16 at Mississippi State. His right hip was dislocated and the posterior wall was fractured. He was taken by helicopter to a hospital in Birmingham, Ala., and surgery was performed in Houston two days later.

“Our doctors said he’ll probably be with fine with what he’s got now,” one club executive said. “It’s what’s going to happen in Year 5, or whatever. It’s the second contract type stuff. If you’re drafting a guy that high, you’re thinking he’s going to be a dude.
Of particular concern is AVN, short for avascular necrosis, the death of bone tissue due to lost blood supply. It can take years for AVN to develop. “They said if he can get through the first year then the percentage that it will really hurt him is less than 1 percent. The big thing now is the one-year mark. The risk of AVN is roughly 15 percent his first year, then it goes down. It’s more or less arthritis. If you get that early in the hip you’re done.”

Tagovailoa’s medical chart also includes surgery for a left high-ankle sprain, surgery for a right high-ankle sprain, a sprained knee and at least one hand injury requiring surgery.

Under Nick Saban, Alabama conducts intense, physical practices. The perception among scouts is that Crimson Tide players have entered the NFL more beat-up than players from most other schools. Befitting their success, they also have played more games. Still, that doesn’t come close to explaining the medical misfortune that has befallen Tagovailoa, who at 6-foot and 217 pounds almost looks more like a running back than a quarterback.

“When you watch the tape there’s certain guys that get hit and bounce right back up,” said one personnel man. “When Tua gets hit, it looks like a train wreck.”

“The thing is, he exposes himself,” another scout said. “It’s really sad. Kyler Murray is the best. He knows when to go down, when to go out of bounds. Patrick Mahomes is not as good an athlete as Murray but he knows when to go down. This guy tries to get that additional yard. His toughness is a negative factor the way he opens himself up to injuries.

“Tua’s game is a game of movement. I would be scared. I don’t know how the guy’s going to bounce back.”

Perhaps the best thing for Tagovailoa would be if the NFL season for 2020 were delayed or even canceled. It would give him even more time to gird his body for the physical challenges that lie ahead.

“I don’t have a magical answer whether he’s going to stay healthy or not,” said an AFC decision-maker. “It is a concern. He’s had medical issues for much of his career.”

Based on the NFL passer rating scale, Tagovailoa’s career mark of 138.1 in 33 games over three seasons is almost beyond comprehension. A natural comparison would be Steve Young (6-2, 215), the 49ers Hall of Famer who also threw left-handed.

“He’s got a natural feel for the game,” one AFC personnel man said. “He throws the deep ball exceptionally well. He’s got good anticipation and very good accuracy. There’s a lot to like about him.”

Lefthanders, however, have acquired a stigma of sorts from a segment of evaluators. In the last 30 years five lefties have been drafted in the first round: Tim Tebow in 2010, Matt Leinart in ’06, Michael Vick in ’01, Cade McNown in ’99 and Todd Marinovich in ’91. All except Vick (6-0, 208, 4.32) turned out to be busts. McNown (6-0 ½, 211, 4.75) was similar in size and speed to Tagovailoa, whose 40 time has been estimated by scouts between 4.85 and 4.9. Mark Brunell (6-1, 206, 4.70) is another small lefty who enjoyed a strong 17-year career, being voted to the Pro Bowl twice.

My poll of 17 executives asked each to rank his five best quarterbacks. A first-place vote was worth 5 points, a second-place vote was worth 4 and so forth.

Joe Burrow, with 15 firsts and 83 points, was the runaway winner. Tagovailoa, who had the other two firsts, was second with 60 points.
Following, in order, were Justin Herbert (55 points), Jordan Love (36), Jacob Eason (13), Jake Fromm (three), Anthony Gordon (two), Jalen Hurts (two) and Steven Montez (one).

“This is a flawed group,” said one personnel man. “You have to decide which flaws you’re going to live with.”
RANKING THE QUARTERBACKS


“I’ve never seen anything quite like this before. ,” one scout with 30-plus years in the business said. “Joe Burrow totally dominated college football.”

1. JOE BURROW, LSU (6-3 ½, 229, no 40, 1): After three seasons backing up J.T. Barrett and Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State, he transferred to LSU and posted a 90.6 NFL passer rating in 2018. Last year, buoyed by the installation of the Saints’ offense by new coordinator Joe Brady, he posted an otherworldly rating of 143.7. “I’ve never seen anything quite like this before,” one scout with 30-plus years in the business said. “He totally dominated college football. He was fascinating to watch. He just reminded me of Peyton Manning. The way that nothing seemed to concern him. When he had to yell at people, he yelled. When he didn’t, he was calm.” He joined Davey O’Brien, Johnny Lujack, Matt Leinart, Cam Newton and Jameis Winston as Heisman Trophy winners who also won the national championship with undefeated teams. “He has a good enough arm and he runs pretty good,” said another scout. “But he has elite, magical ability to process quickly, and his accuracy is unbelievable. Those are the two most important things. Great kid, he’s a leader, tough as shit. He’s a coach’s kid and he’ll play a long time. He doesn’t have near the arm talent of Matthew Stafford, but I bet he wins more.” He received a late-round grade a year ago from National Football Scouting. “Never had a guy in the summer I felt he was a backup and in November I said this guy might be the best player in the draft,” said a third scout. “I’ve never seen a guy play at such an efficient level. If people had truth serum poured down their throat, they waited all year for him to fall off the wagon. ‘This can’t be real.’ But he didn’t have a bad quarter all season. And you’re talking about Auburn, Bama, SEC defenses. There’s some reasonable doubt that he’s not going to be as good in the NFL. I don’t know how you can bottle what they put together at LSU this year, but there was magic to it. He was phenomenal.” Tommy Moffitt, the LSU strength coach for 20 years, held the same job at Tennessee when Manning played there. “He told the scouts that he puts them in the same breath,” one personnel man said. Second smallest hands (9 inches) among the top 12 quarterbacks. Scored 34 on the Wonderlic intelligence test. “No, no, no, no, no,” said a fourth scout when asked if Burrow could be compared to Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins. “This guy’s big-time. Incredible timing and accuracy, incredible pocket poise. He’s amazing off-schedule. He plays with swagger. He doesn’t have a cannon, but he throws a nice deep ball.” From Athens, Ohio. “Can he do it at the next level? Does he have a strong enough arm?” said a fifth scout. “I don’t see it. I wouldn’t want him (as a high pick). He’s a great kid, he really is. I just don’t see him as the guy. His junior year he was the shits. Then they bring in the new offense, everything changed and he’s got all those great receivers around him, too. Nine-inch hands. Soft body build.”

2. TUA TAGOVAILOA, Alabama (6-0, 217, no 40, 1): A quarterbacking prodigy as far back as fourth and fifth grade, Tua “came to Bama so advanced for an 18-year-old kid as far as seeing things and anticipating,” said one scout. “But, like so many kids, that’s it. Despite the fact that his stats are phenomenal, he was in the candy store of life. I think his best days are behind him.” He put up a stunning NFL passer rating of 143.2 in 2019, and 138.1 overall during a three-year career. “Just off the pure talent to play the game, he’s better than Joe Burrow,” said another scout. “He doesn’t have an overpowering arm, but he makes all the throws. He’s got a quick release. He’s got touch, velocity. He’s got the feet to avoid. He’s got really good eyes. Cool under pressure. Slides through the pocket. Really good play-action guy. He doesn’t throw interceptions.” His injury list is almost as long as any player’s in the draft. He has 10-inch hands. “He’s nowhere close to Russell Wilson as far as escaping pressure and making plays on the move,” said a third scout. “He’s not Drew Brees. He shies away a lot in the pocket when people get at him. I just never saw this phenomenal, once-in-a-generation talent.” Some teams are more concerned than others about his 13 on the Wonderlic, the lowest score at the position. “We interviewed him,” said one scout. “He’s smart enough, but he’s an RPO guy. (Steve) Sarkisian (Alabama’s new coordinator in 2019) tried to do pro stuff and he (Tagovailoa) couldn’t handle it mentally because all he’d ever done was RPO stuff. So they went back to RPO.” From Ewa Beach, Hawaii. “He’s kind of been the anointed guy, but I like him less the more I watch him,” another scout said. “He plays a lot of pitch-and-catch in that offense. He’s really accurate hitting those slants. A lot of the quick game stuff he’s excellent. But when there’s chaos in the pocket there’s a dropoff in his effectiveness. Is there ever a tight-window throw on his highlights?”

3. JUSTIN HERBERT, Oregon (6-6, 235, 4.72, 1): Herbert is a four-year starter with a 29-13 record. “If the Oregon kid had Alabama’s receivers or Oklahoma’s receivers or LSU’s receivers he’d be the best one,” said one scout. “He had nobody helping him. He’s got a cannon arm. He runs 4.6. He’s smart as a whip. He’s not a dynamic leader, but remember, Troy Aikman was not a dynamic leader. I’m not saying this guy’s Troy Aikman, but there’s no difference in this guy and the guy at Duke (Daniel Jones) last year. In fact, this kid is a better athlete. He’s got everything, plus he’s a great kid. If you don’t like that damn quarterback at Oregon put the Rose Bowl on and the Pac-10 championship.” Herbert posted an NFL passer rating of 106.4. “He took some knocks about his personality,” said a second scout. “The word ‘introvert’ was thrown around. That couldn’t be further from the truth. He’s just a nice, genuine kid and is comfortable in his own skin.” All-around prep athlete grew up in the shadows of Oregon’s Autzen Stadium in Eugene. “I like him, to a degree,” said a third scout. “I don’t think he’s an elite player. He’s kind of robotic and mechanical. Accuracy’s off. He has the classic looks of an NFL quarterback. That’s that guy that has burned a lot of people in the past. Big, tall, good-looking, interviews well, smart, throws the ball a mile, all that stuff. (Blaine) Gabbert. Jared Goff. Not a lot of vision. Not a really good playmaker.” Herbert posted a Wonderlic of 25.

4. JORDAN LOVE, Utah State (6-3 ½, 224, 4.71, 1-2): Love is a fourth-year junior from Bakersfield, Calif. “He has the most physical upside of any of these guys,” said one scout. “The great ones make things look easy. He makes it look easy. He’s an effortless thrower. He played with nobody around him. This year he was just out there winging it trying to make plays to win games. Did he develop some bad habits? Yeah, of course he did. But you can rein that in. It’s (easier) to get guys that like to play it safe and check down and be chain-movers. It’s hard to get those guys that push the ball down the field. He’s the only quarterback I ever scouted who will throw into bigger windows as a pro than he did in college. Those guys did not get open for him. If he ends up outside the top 10 we could be saying, ‘How the heck did Jordan Love last that long?’ He’s just got that play-making ability.” In 2018, his best season, his NFL passer rating was 110.7. Last year, with a depleted supporting cast, it was 82.8 for a career mark of 92.0. Career record was 21-11. “The body language was awful and the accuracy was worse,” another scout said. “He didn’t look like he knew what he was doing or that he wanted to play. There were numerous times he’s looking right at an open wideout or a tight end coming right in the middle and the two linebackers are on the hashes and there’s a receiver standing in the middle of the field and he doesn’t throw it to him. Or he throws it to him late. I don’t think he’s correctable.” His vertical jump of 35 ½ inches tied Herbert for the best among the top quarterbacks. Cited for marijuana possession in December. “He’s a risk-reward guy,” a third scout said. “You question the makeup. He got (cited) for weed. You don’t want the face of your franchise getting (cited) for weed … (Editor’s note: Charges were ultimately dropped in January). It’s really going to take some time because the offense he played in is pretty simple. But a terrific athlete, quick release, plenty of arm, big hands (10 ½), great touch, accurate on the move. But poor decisions, question his focus, his vision, his accuracy against pressure. He’s soft-spoken and confident. Not great on the board. You know, good luck.” Love posted a Wonderlic of 27.

5. JACOB EASON, Washington (6-6, 231, 4.87, 1-2): The prized recruit spent two years at Georgia before transferring when Jake Fromm entrenched himself as the Bulldogs’ starter. “I’d take him easily over Jordan Love,” said one scout. “I’m going to tell you something. He’s got talent. He can be exceptionally accurate, but he’s a hot and cold guy. That’s the way he was at Georgia. But he’s a real immature kid.” Eason started one year in Seattle, finishing with an NFL passer rating of 98.5 after going 80.5 at Georgia in comparable playing time. “He’s the prototypical bust,” a second scout said. “He’s big and he’s tall and he’s pretty lookin’. He can throw it through a brick wall. But knowing how to play the position, having poise, mental processing … it’s just not there. And he needed another year. He got really bad advice. Mel Tucker dialed up some pressure stuff on him and he was a deer in the headlights against Colorado. Unfortunately, he’s not going to have a chance to get a lot of reps and get that stuff down. He’s not going to play enough football moving forward. I think the NFL game is going to be way too fast for him.” Eason is from Lake Stevens, Wash and posted a Wonderlic of 23.



“The thing he did in that SEC Championship Game, when he got benched and came in off the bench and won the game, might be one of the greatest moments in sports,” one scout said of Jalen Hurts. (Photo by Mike Zarrilli/Getty Images)

6. JALEN HURTS, Oklahoma (6-1, 221, 4.62, 2-3): Hurts won 38 of 42 starts in a three-year career at Alabama and a final season for the Sooners. “The thing he did in that SEC Championship Game, when he got benched and came in off the bench and won the game, might be one of the greatest moments in sports,” one scout said. “He can run, he’s a great kid and he’s tough. He’s a winner. I just think he’s a packaged quarterback. You’ve got to put certain plays in for him. He’s a third-teamer for me.” NFL passer ratings were 95.0 in 2016, 107.0 in ’17, 134.5 in ’18 and 128.9 in ’19 for a composite of 111.6. “You love the makeup and the intelligence,” said another scout. “On tape, he’s just not a natural quarterback. He’s mechanical, one read. Can make plays with his legs. Accuracy was the question mark. At the combine he was amazing with his accuracy, especially on those post-corners and deep routes. But I just don’t see a starting talent as far as the quick process and making plays with your arm in the pocket or on the move that you need to be a consistent, winning starter. But you want him on your team.” Hurts is from Houston and posted a Wonderlic of 18.

7. JAKE FROMM, Georgia (6-2, 219, 4.94, 3): Fromm is a third-year junior. “He doesn’t have 50 percent of the talent that Eason has, but I’d take a shot at the kid,” said one scout. “You get a good, solid kid who can just win games for you. His size and talent level are about as minimum as you can get. He’s got some leadership. He’s not going to be the mouthy f—— backup who says, ‘I should be starting, I should be starting,’ like some of those guys.” He played so well that both Justin Fields and Eason bolted for Ohio State and Washington, respectively. “I think he’s a better player than Andy Dalton was coming out,” said another scout. “He’s a winning starter. People are going to talk themselves out of Jake because he’s got average physical traits, but he is off the charts above the neck. He’s getting hurt by this (pandemic) because he can’t get in front of teams as much. Teams would fall in love with Jake if they could spend time with him.” NFL passer rating of 108.5. “He’s not even as good as the kid that came out of there a few years ago,” said a third scout. “(Aaron) Murray. He can’t throw. Inaccurate.” Fromm posted a Wonderlic score of 35 and has the smallest hands at the position (8 7/8). “No,” a fourth scout said. “Everything you worried about him on tape he confirmed it at the combine. Very limited. At the combine he was sandwiched between Eason and Herbert, which made it even worse for him. He looked like, ‘Who let that guy out there?’” Fromm is from Warner Robins, Ga.

8. ANTHONY GORDON, Washington State (6-2 ½, 205, no 40, 4-5): Gordon played at a junior college in 2015, redshirted at WSU in ’16 and sat behind Luke Falk in ’17 and Gordon Minshew in ’18. He broke out with 5,579 passing yards and an NFL passer rating of 108.1 in ’19. “I like that little guy,” said one scout. “Mid to late. He’s similar to Minshew the way he has that carefree, backyard play style. Quick delivery. Move around. Just chuck it around. Doesn’t have the best arm. Not the most physically imposing. He’d be an ideal backup who could make some magic happen for a minute. The kid hasn’t taken a snap under center since he was a sophomore in high school.” Gordon is from Pacifica, Calif., and posted a Wonderlic score of 25. “Gardner Minshew kind of opened people’s eyes that quarterbacks can come out of that system,” another scout said. “One of those mid-to-late round guys you take a flier on.”

9. JAMES MORGAN, Florida International (6-4, 229, 4.90, 4-5): Morgan made 13 starts at Bowling Green in 2016-’17 before seeing the job handed to the brother of one of the Falcons’ assistant coaches. He transferred, but was eligible immediately because he had his degree in pre-law. Morgan started two seasons at FIU. “I got him in the fifth (round),” said one scout. “Like the way he plays. He can throw a deep ball. He has a better arm than Nate Stanley. Quick release. Not a real runner. Has issues under pressure. He’s got the physical skills. He’s smart. Take a shot.” His NFL passer ratings were 69.6 at BGSU and 97.9 at FIU for a composite of 85.5. “He was really bad in their opener against Tulane,” said a second scout. “I had a hard time shaking that. He’s got a chance because down there (FIU) they absolutely love the kid. Old-school gym rat. Great leader. The arm’s good enough. Accuracy was the one thing holding me back.” He’s attempting to become the first quarterback drafted from Green Bay since Wisconsin’s Bud Keyes (Green Bay West) went to the Packers in the 10th round in 1988. “The Packers should be able to get him easy after the draft as a free agent,” a third scout said. “I didn’t like him. Just a big, strong guy.” H posted a Wonderlic score of 23.

10. JAKE LUTON, Oregon State (6-6, 222, 5.07, 4-5): Luton spent two years at Idaho, redshirting in 2014 and starting one game in ’15. Played in junior college the next year, then started 20 games for the Beavers over three seasons as he battled injury. “He reminds me of Sean Mannion and Derek Anderson,” said one scout. “He’s tall and a decent athlete and has decent arm strength.” He finished with an overall NFL passer rating 93.5. “He’s not bad,” said another scout. “He’s a little wild. You can tell he’s got some good feel for it. Just highly inconsistent. Not a great body for the NFL. Weak kind of frame.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 29 and is from Marysville, Wash.

11. BRIAN LEWERKE, Michigan State (6-2 ½, 213, 4.96, 6-7): Lewerke’s NFL passer rating of 79.7 was the poorest of the top 12 quarterbacks. His best year was 2017, his first season as a starter, when his rating was 88.1. “He’s got some talent but he had a terrible, terrible year,” said one scout. “He looked good in 2017. Then he had a rough year in 2018 and this year was awful. It’s like he had the yips. He couldn’t make routine throws. It was tough to watch. Can he play better? Yes, but if you have to make a decision right now I’m saying he’s not going to be a good NFL player.” He rushed for a career-high 559 yards in 2017, finishing with 1,255 on the ground. “He got worse each time I saw him,” said a second scout. “He looks scared to death back there. I’d take him over (Shea) Patterson. He’s a big guy, and he’s mobile. He can run around. The coaches say he’s a terrific person.” Lewerke is from Phoenix, scored a Wonderlic of 25 and has the largest hands (10 5/8) of the group.

12. NATE STANLEY, Iowa (6-3 ½, 235, 4.80, 6-7): A three-year starter with a 27-12 record, Stanley “could probably be an adequate No. 3, but he’s more of a safety third than a developmental third,” said one scout. “Because he’s smart (Wonderlic of 40) and he’s played a lot of football and he’s a good guy. He’d be hard to draft because there’s no upside for him.” His NFL passer ratings declined in each of his seasons as a starter, and his career mark was 91.9. “I just think he’s a dinosaur,” a second scout said. “He can’t move. He’s got a strong arm. Big, strong kid. But he is definitely sackable. Not a lot of personality at all. Just didn’t have any juice to him. It’s not that he’s this overwhelmingly great leader.” Stanley is from Menomonie, Wis.

OTHERS, in order: Steven Montez, Colorado; Case Cookus, Northern Arizona; Cole McDonald, Hawaii; Reid Sinnett, San Diego; Shea Patterson, Michigan; Kevin Davidson, Princeton; Nick Tiano, Chattanooga; Kelly Bryant, Missouri.
THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO
Case Cookus, Northern Arizona:
Teams looking for a sleeper at quarterback have been paying considerable attention to this snakebit gunslinger from the FCS ranks. Both his 2016 and ’18 seasons were ended before mid-season by a broken right collarbone. Cookus (6-3, 208) has good size, a functional arm and smarts. He threw for 12,082 yards and 105 touchdowns in his career for an NFL passer rating of 107.6. Described by one scout as a “no-nonsense leader” who loves the game.

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE
Shea Patterson, Michigan:
If he’s drafted, it would be on the basis of athleticism and escape ability. As a passer, his mechanics and accuracy were off. Several scouts also expressed reservations about his makeup and leadership. He had chances at the Senior Bowl and combine to impress but came up well short. “It’s 50-50 whether he gets drafted,” one scout said.

SCOUT TO REMEMBER
Jake Hallum:
This sweet-spoken Southern gentleman couldn’t get enough football. After a playing career at Newberry College in his native South Carolina, he won two state titles as a high-school coach in Kentucky before embarking on a long career as a collegiate head coach (Morehead State) and offensive-line coach under Jerry Claiborne at Maryland and Kentucky. Residing in Lexington, Ky., he finished his career as a senior area scout for the Eagles, Patriots and Browns. “To know Jake was to love him,” longtime scout Greg Gabriel wrote shortly after his death. “I don’t think there was a man with more passion and love for the game of football than Jake.” He died in 2015 at age 76.

QUOTE TO NOTE
NFL personnel executive:
“I was taught when I first came into the business to believe your eyes, not your ears. It turned out to be very good advice.”
 

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This series is the best by far, ever year.

I agree totally with what I'm reading on the QBs, too. Burrow was that great this year. I've never been as impressed with Tua as most. Herbert might be good but he seems like a guy that checks the boxes but lacks something. Not impressed with any of the others (except Love, who I never saw play). I think this will be a very average to down year for QBs overall.
 

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I don't think Herbert has a natural feel for the game, everything he does is mechanical and seemingly preconceived, like you can feel him thinking through what he's doing rather than being able to instinctively process what's happening around him seamlessly.

Most of what he did at Oregon was just RPO and screen type action, mostly stuff where his reads were simplistic and predetermined. I think he struggles reading through multiple progressions and making plays off script.

He's very similar to Josh Allen, he'll be good in a run heavy system where he isn't asked to do too much outside his comfort zone but if he has to carry an offense he'll be in trouble.
 

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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top running backs


Bob McGinn Apr 18, 2020
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-‘17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

This is the fourth part of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into running backs. You can find quarterbacks here, offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.


Running backs have gone from the belle of the ball to an ugly stepchild in the last generation. Guess what? It’s time to become reacquainted with the men that pound the rock.

Everybody in the scouting world seems smitten with Clyde Edwards-Helaire, the little big man who played a major role in LSU’s undefeated national championship season. Georgia’s D’Andre Swift, Wisconsin’s Jonathan Taylor and Ohio State’s J.K. Dobbins join CEH in a formidable foursome atop most draft boards.

Stealthily creeping beneath the hype meter are another dozen or so backs who have the chops to do some damage as well. Everyone knows the position has been devalued in the last decade, but the fact that backs aren’t being selected as high anymore clearly hasn’t diminished their ability to play if not excel.

“There’s no Zekes, but does that even matter anymore?” said an executive in personnel. “You just want a good back, really. The (Todd) Gurleys, the Zeke’s (Elliott), does that even matter?”

It does, and it doesn’t. Just nine backs have been drafted in the first round over the last five years, and teams have gotten it right. Not one of the nine has been a bust, and at their best Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Melvin Gordon, Leonard Fournette, Elliott and Gurley were impact players.

That doesn’t begin to tell the story, however, about the influx of good players from the previous five classes of running backs.
In 2015, David Johnson and Tevin Coleman arrived in the third round, Jay Ajayi in the fifth and Raheem Mostert in free agency.
In 2016, it was Derrick Henry in the second round, Kenyan Drake in the third and Jordan Howard in the fifth. In 2017, the haul included Dalvin Cook and Joe Mixon in the second round, Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt and James Conner in the third, Marlon Mack and Tarik Cohen in the fourth, Aaron Jones in the fifth, Chris Carson in the seventh and Austin Ekeler as a free agent. In 2018, the second round included Nick Chubb, Ronald Jones and Kerryon Johnson while free agency produced Phillip Lindsay and Gus Edwards. Last year, Miles Sanders was a second-round pick, Devin Singletary, Alexander Mattison and David Montgomery were thirds and Tony Pollard and Benny Snell were fourths. Others have produced for teams as well.

Some of them had more fanfare than others. In some of those years, not many people were talking pre-draft about it being a banner year for running backs. As the wide receivers, tackles and, of course, quarterbacks dominate the chatter on the offensive side this spring, beneath the surface many teams detect another bumper crop of ball carriers awaiting destinations.

“It’s been proven that you don’t necessarily have to take a running back super high,” an AFC personnel man said. “There are some good ones, and they’re coming in all shapes and sizes. The NFL has become a different game that way in terms of what’s acceptable for a running back. Four different guys could be classified as the top guy this year.”

Edwards-Helaire is short, but he’s not small. Swift is the best receiver of the upper crust whereas Taylor is the fastest and Dobbins could be the most complete.

All or none could get into the first round. It doesn’t matter. Teams seem confident all four will be producers, barring injury.
“Unless you’re Saquon Barkley or Ezekiel Elliott, you ain’t going in the first round,” said another executive in personnel. “That’s because you can get somebody late second or third round, sometimes in the fourth round, that is a good running back. It’s the new NFL.”

The height of backs also has changed over time. Ten years ago, seven of my top 10 backs stood at least 5-11. This year, Boston College’s A.J. Dillon is the only one that does. “They’re all 5-8, 5-9,” said another scout. “The game has changed.”

The shortest of the top 25 backs is LSU’s Edwards-Helaire. He’s a shade over 5-7, a 1,448-yard rusher who also found time to catch 55 passes for the prolific Bayou Bengals. “Love him,” an AFC personnel man said. “If Joe Burrow was the star, (Edwards-Helaire) won the Academy Award for best supporting actor. He’s a little engine that could. He is a terrific football player.”

LSU went with journeyman Nick Brossette (5-11, 210, 4.70) in their 10-3 season of 2018. An undrafted free agent in 2019, he’s out of football. Edwards-Helaire had to be content with 146 carries and 11 receptions that year. “I don’t think they knew what they had,” said another AFC scout. “Last summer, I missed him, too. He’s 5-7, sharing reps, and you think he’s just a good little college player. He’s just been overlooked because of the way he looks when he gets off the bus.”

In chronological order, here are the names and height-weight-speed entering their drafts of seven players that have been compared in some form or fashion to Edwards-Helaire by at least one personnel man: Kevin Faulk (5-7 ½, 205, 4.48), Darren Sproles (5-6, 187, 4.48), Maurice Jones-Drew (5-7, 207, 4.39), Danny Woodhead (5-7 ½, 197, 4.41), Cohen (5-6 ½, 177, 4.41), Austin Ekeler (5-8 ½, 198, 4.48) and Devin Singletary (5-7 ½, 201, 4.65).

One significant difference is Edwards-Helaire ran just 4.59 at the combine, a least one-tenth of a second slower than six of those seven success stories. “But he has maybe the best play speed I’ve seen in like five years among running backs,” said one scout. “His game against Alabama and even his combine workout … his first step is full speed. It’s absolutely crazy how fast he plays.”
My poll of 18 evaluators asked them to rank their top five backs. As always, a first-place vote was worth five points, a second-place was worth four and so on.

Swift led with 77 points and 10 firsts, followed closely by Taylor (63, five), Edwards-Helaire (51, one) and Dobbins (50, two). The other vote-getters were Cam Akers (11), Zack Moss (seven), Dillon (five), Ke’Shawn Vaughn (five) and Darrynton Evans (one).

Even beyond the leading dozen, there are down-the-liners such as Miami’s DeeJay Dallas, Florida’s Lamical Perine, Cincinnati’s Mike Warren and Illinois State’s James Robinson that scouts have studied more than just casually.

It’s a good bet that the next Aaron Jones or Phillip Lindsay is sitting deep on draft boards just waiting to explode in the NFL. Running backs are very, very much alive and well. “It’s a good class,” an NFC decision-maker said. “There are interesting backs all the way through.”
Perhaps for the first time, several teams say college football hasn’t sent forth a conventional fullback of merit. So if you’re a club that needs one, it’s a game of projecting shorter tight ends to do the dirty blocking work from the backfield.

RANKING THE RUNNING BACKS



(Photo by Chamberlain Smith)

RUNNING BACKS

1. D’ANDRE SWIFT, Georgia (5-8, 212, 4.48, 1-2):
Swift followed in the footsteps of recent top backs Todd Gurley, Sony Michel and Nick Chubb at Georgia. “Dalvin Cook isn’t a bad comparison,” said one scout. “He’ll be a stud.” He was limited to 440 carries and 73 receptions because of leg and foot injuries during his three-year career. “Even this year they didn’t let him carry the load when he was the No. 1 back,” said another scout. “When I compare him to successful NFL backs, he’s not elite in any category. He is more well-rounded than Dalvin Cook. He’s a better route runner. He’s got better hands. But Cook’s one-cut vision and acceleration are better, and he’s bigger. Swift can line up and run choice routes. He can track the ball down the field. He’s got three-down value.” Gained 2,885 yards for a school-record 6.56 per carry. Another personnel man said Swift wasn’t as good as Cook or Chubb. “He’s the only back (in the draft) that really scares you in the pass game,” a fourth scout said. “That’s why he’s going to go higher. He can create mismatches in the pass game, he’s a good runner and he tested well.” Swift is from Philadelphia and scored 17 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

2. JONATHAN TAYLOR, Wisconsin (5-10 ½, 221, 4.38, 1-2): A third-year junior, Taylor averaged a whopping 2,058 rushing yards per season. “(Melvin) Gordon was pretty darn good, but Taylor is better,” one scout said in assessing Badgers backs over the last 25 years. “I think it’s slight, the difference. Montee Ball would probably be next, but the drinking got him out. (Ron) Dayne and Terrell Fletcher and John Clay. John Clay sucked; he was a good college player. Brent Moss, golly. Dope got him but he was pretty darn good, too, wasn’t he? The top-end speed with Taylor’s vision is in the top tier of guys I’ve done.” He finished with 926 carries, averaged 6.7, scored 55 TDs from scrimmage and caught 42 passes, including 26 in 2019. “Only bugaboo with him is ball security,” said another scout. “He had 18 fumbles, and he lost 15. That’s very high. His lower (body) is so thick that he just wouldn’t go down, which gives everybody time to swarm him. I think in the NFL he’ll go down a little easier.” Several scouts said he caught the ball adequately at pro day. “The elite size-speed combo is where people will buy in,” said a third scout. “He’s going to disappoint you between the tackles. He doesn’t run to his size. He’s not going hit up in there. You watch the Ohio State games, he’s cringing before he even gets to the line. He’s cringing in the hole. That was really disappointing. I’ve seen it where NFL running back coaches can get that out (of players). That was the big knock on Le’Veon (Bell) coming out, that he didn’t run very big.” He posted a Wonderlic score of 21 and is from tiny Salem, N.J. “Melvin Gordon was different,” said a fourth scout. “He was slick and explosive and made big plays all the time. This guy is strong, not powerful. Excellent vision, excellent patience. Kind of a typical Wisconsin back. He just might have more of the workout-type attributes that you’re looking for. I’d rather have Gordon, all day.”

3. CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE, LSU (5-7, 207, 4.59, 1-2): He declared for the draft a year early after making dramatic strides as a third-year junior. “He’s so flexible and runs so low, he doesn’t give you anything to hit,” said one scout. “He’s got great contact balance. He’s creative and elusive. He’s got really natural hands. Talking to the people at LSU, I really like his makeup, too. Joe Burrow said he’s the best teammate he ever had. That’s real.” He never started a game in his first two seasons and finished with 370 carries for 2,103 yards (5.7) and 23 touchdowns to go with 69 receptions. “He is a 25, 30-carry a game guy,” said another scout. “He’s put together.” Has exciting ability as a receiver all over the formation. “I think he will take over that third-down role the minute he walks in the office,” said a third scout. “You can screen him, do things to get him the ball in space. Kevin Faulk kind of had that small, stocky stature. He’s a little squirt but I like him a lot. He reminds me of that kid that came out of Florida Atlantic (Devin Singletary) and played well this year. He’s more quick than Maurice Jones-Drew (but) Maurice had breakaway speed.” Scored 21 on the Wonderlic. “Some guys are too short, but I don’t think he is,” said a fourth scout. “He’s thick and just carries his weight so well. For some people it can be a benefit. Like Tarik Cohen. He’s short but thick. Or Russell Wilson, short and thick. It’s so hard to get them down because of their center of gravity.” Edwards-Helaire is from Baton Rouge, La.




“We had an awesome interview with him,” said a scout on JK Dobbins. “He’s really smart, really upbeat. He loves football. The whole thing is important to him.”(Mark J. Rebilas-USA TODAY Sports)

4. J.K. DOBBINS, Ohio State (5-9 ½, 209, no 40, 1-2): Dobbins is a third-year junior and a three-year starter. “Like him,” said one scout. “He runs hard. Just a natural runner. He’s good on first contact. He runs with an edge. He’s going to be a really good back.” Dobbins played his best in big games and finished with 724 carries for 4,459 (6.2) and 38 TDs to go with 71 receptions. “We had an awesome interview with him,” said another scout. “He’s really smart, really upbeat. He loves football. The whole thing is important to him. He knows what he’s doing. He wants to be coached.” His deficiencies in pass protection became pronounced as the season went along. “He’s OK but he’s not special,” said a third scout. “He’s a good backup back. I don’t see him breaking tackles. He’s got to have room. He’s quick. He’s not a power back. He’s kind of a change-of-pace guy.” Dobbins is from LaGrange, Texas. “I’ve got him as the best back because I think he has more three-down ability,” said a fourth scout. “You can actually move him out of the backfield and do things. He can become a really good player in this league.” Dobbins posted a Wonderlic of 16.

5. CAM AKERS, Florida State (5-10 ½, 217, 4.46, 2-3): Akers joined Warrick Dunn and Dalvin Cook as the only Seminoles with more than one 1,000-yard rushing season. “You talk about a guy who was stuck with a lemon and trying to make lemonade out of it at FSU,” said one scout. “A nightmare, and he persevered through it. He’s a hell of a player. He was a quarterback in high school (Clinton, Miss.). He went to FSU when they were riding high and the whole program fell apart around him. I give him credit. That was a disaster. Terrible line. He was getting hit before the ball got to him.” A third-year junior, he carried 586 times for 2,874 (4.9) and 27 TDs to go with 69 receptions. “He ran like a scalded dog (in the 40), but he don’t play that way,” another scout said. “I questioned his toughness and run instincts. They did throw the ball to him. Cam Akers is the kind of kid who knows who to block and he will get in their way. Some of these kids won’t even get in the way. They try to cut.” Some scouts insist he isn’t special; others insist he is. “He’s not a great makeup guy,” said a third scout. “One of these talented guys that never put all the commitment there. But the guy has the talent to be an every-down back. It’s where you want to throw the dice on him.”

6. ZACK MOSS, Utah (5-9 ½, 223, 4.62, 3): Moss did himself no favors with a bad 40 at the combine. “But a lot of good backs run in the 4.6’s,” said one scout. “He’s going to give you an identity. Teams that want to be more of a ball-control, run-heavy team, this is your guy. He’s going to be a workhorse. He runs with an attitude. He really was Utah’s offense this year.” He finished with 712 carries for 4,067 (5.7) and 38 TDs to go with 66 receptions. Played four seasons, starting 37 of 45 games. “Eddie Lacy is probably a good comparison,” a second scout said. “Not as good. Runs hard, quick feet. Easily breaks arm tackles. No real burst. Degree of tightness. Aggressive, hard-charging runner.” He’s a medical question because of knee, ankle and shoulder injuries. “He’s big and has some fluid movement but I just didn’t see any suddenness, any burst,” said a third scout. “To me, he was just a guy. I didn’t see a great role (for) in the passing game. Maybe he fits your deal as a big back or maybe a 4-minute back or whatever.” Moss is from Hialeah Gardens, Fla.

7. KE’SHAWN VAUGHN, Vanderbilt (5-9 ½, 214, 4.50, 3-4): Vaughn played for bad teams at Illinois (2015-’16) and Vandy (2018-’19) and could be a sleeper. “Heck, I could see him eventually starting in the league,” said one scout. “He’s got burst. He’s talented. On an undermanned football team he had to shoulder the load this year. He’s kind of been forgotten about.” Vaughn started eight of 22 games for the Illini and 21 of 24 for the Commodores. “He can get the home run and the tough yards,” another scout said. “He (has) explosive speed. He has improved in the passing game but he’s still not ideal.” He finished with 572 carries for 3,296 (5.8) and 30 TDs to go with 67 receptions. “He’s stiff in the ankles and he played with nobody, but he’s a tough son of a gun now,” a third scout said. “He’s tough as shit. He played a lot better last year (2018) when (Pat) Shurmur’s kid (Kyle) was the quarterback.” Vaughn is from Nashville.

8. A.J. DILLON, Boston College (6-0 ½, 247, 4.50, 3-4): Dillon played just three seasons, but he holds the school record for yards (4,382) and TDs (38). “He and Derrick Henry are similar in the sense they’re better in carry 30 than carry five,” said one scout. “They lull you to sleep. They’re taller, not physical guys. But when you get to the third or fourth quarter, they’re just so heavy that people just get tired of hitting them. Derrick Henry was a much more natural runner coming out.” He stunned some NFL personnel by running a fast 40. Also led the backs in the Wonderlic (30), vertical jump (41 inches) and broad jump (10-11). “I didn’t think he had any speed,” said another scout. “His toughness wasn’t that good. He didn’t run like a power back. He wasn’t a tackle breaker. Very limited (as a receiver) but he can catch. He’s big and he’s hard to bring down. He should be knocking people down. He should be like a bowling ball with the pins but he’s not.” He finished with 845 carries, a 5.2 average and 21 receptions. “In the old days this guy would be a fullback,” a third scout said. “In goal-line and short-yardage the guy would be excellent. He gets 3 yards each time. He takes people with him.” Dillon is from New London, Conn.




“He’s fast, mean,” a scout said of Darrynton Evans. “He might turn out better than some of these more heralded guys.” (Icon Sportswire via AP Images)

9. DARRYNTON EVANS, Appalachian State (5-10, 203, 4.47, 3-4): Evans backed up in 2016, sat out ’17 with an injury redshirt and started 22 of 27 games in 2018-’19 before declaring a year early. “He’s a finesse guy,” said one scout. “He’s not a very strong inside runner, but get him on the perimeter and he’s got a really natural feel. He can slip (blocks) and make guys miss, and he’s a really good kickoff returner.” He finished with 482 carries for 2,884 (6.0) and 25 TDs to go with 39 receptions. “He’s fast, mean,” a second scout said. “He might turn out better than some of these more heralded guys. He’s got every bit as much ability as some of them. He’s just coming from a small program, albeit a successful one. He’s a good sleeper. It would not surprise me to see this guy starting within a year.” Evans is from Oak Hill, Fla. “He’s got good hands and some return ability, but he is not tough and he will not block,” said a third scout. “He’s not a tough kid at all. But he is an athletic, talented kid. Fourth round.”

10. ANTHONY McFARLAND, Maryland (5-8, 208, 4.44, 4): McFarland’s claim to fame was a 21-carry, 298-yard explosion against Ohio State in November 2018 when he scored on runs of 81 and 75 yards. “Just looking at that game, you get excited about him,” said one scout. “I remember there was one run, you go, ‘Who is this?’ Didn’t have quite the production you’d expect. He is a talented guy with speed.” McFarland departed with two years of eligibility remaining. “We took him off the board because his football character is absolutely atrocious,” said another scout. “He’s like a child. Really high maintenance. Every week there’s going to be something with this guy. Now, talent-wise, whew. He’s a weapon.” He ran a fast 40 at the combine but fared poorly in the vertical jump (29 ½) and broad jump (9-8). “Oh, man, he can accelerate,” a third scout said. “He looks like Dalvin Cook. He’s a little smaller but he has that type of speed. If you can give him a crease in a one-cut scheme I think he could be effective. Dalvin’s a more complete player, especially when you factor in the off-the-field stuff.” He finished with 239 carries for 1,636 (6.8) and 12 TDs to go with 24 receptions. McFarland’s Wonderlic score of 11 was the lowest among the top 12 backs. He’s from Hyattsville, Md.

11. ANTONIO GIBSON, Memphis (6-0 ½, 228, 4.41, 4): Gibson played two seasons in junior college and caught six passes as a backup WR in 2018 at Memphis before exploding for 12 TDs from scrimmage in ‘19. He moved from WR to RB late in the season, then played RB at the Senior Bowl. “The guy just came out of the blue,” said one scout. “The last two games they stuck him in the backfield and the guy just exploded. He looked extremely natural playing back there.” Gibson opened more eyes in Mobile, especially during the game. “You want to watch the Senior Bowl game,” another scout said. “He flashes speed. He’s got power. He can catch the ball. Will run a little high. Has to get that down. Will run aggressively inside. Has the feet to make defenders miss on inside runs. Huge ceiling.” Just 44 receptions and 33 carries in his career, and he scored 12 on the Wonderlic. “They had Tony Pollard the year before, and he kind of made a name for himself at Mobile,” said a third scout. “Gibson’s the same way. As a receiver this dude breaks a million tackles. If you draft him you need a really creative coordinator. He could end up being a better player than Jonathan Taylor.” Gibson is from Stockbridge, Ga.

12. JOSHUA KELLEY, UCLA (5-10 ½, 212, 4.53, 4-5): Kelley played two seasons at UC Davis, departed after a coaching change and walked on at UCLA, redshirting in 2017. He started in 2018-’19, surpassing 1,000 yards each year. “Similar to Jamaal Williams,” said one scout. “I’d take Kelley by a nod because he has more upside than Jamaal. He may not get much love on draft day, but he’s going to be a good pro.” Kelley finished with 647 carries for 3,442 (5.3) and 31 TDs to go with 42 catches and has an effervescent personality. “He’s going to play for somebody,” a second scout said. “He’s too knowledgeable, know what I mean?” He rushed 15 times for 105 yards in the Senior Bowl. Said a third scout: “I got him buried. Tight hips, dances too much. Dime-a-dozen running back.” Kelley is from Lancaster, Calif.

OTHERS, in order: DeeJay Dallas, Miami; Lamical Perine, Florida; Eno Benjamin, Arizona State; Mike Warren, Cincinnati; Patrick Taylor, Memphis; James Robinson, Illinois State; LeVante Bellamy, Western Michigan; Rico Dowdle, South Carolina; Darius Anderson, TCU; Raymond Calais, Louisiana; Javon Leake, Maryland; J.J. Taylor, Arizona; Xavier Jones, SMU; JaMycal Hasty, Baylor; Toren Young, Iowa.

FULLBACKS



One scout calls fullback Josiah Deguara a “Swiss army knife.” (Cal Sport Media via AP Images)

1. JOSIAH DEGUARA, Cincinnati (6-2 ½, 242, 4.72, 5-6): Deguara is a four-year player, two-year starter. “Swiss Army knife guy,” one scout said. “Played fullback at the Senior Bowl. He runs well. He’s a little short so you’re not going to use him on the line as much. He’s a wing, a fullback. He’s tough as nails. Really competitive guy. He’s a guy you want in your locker room. He’ll play on all the special teams. It’s hard for teams to find a fullback who can actually be good on teams. He will be that.” Finished with 92 catches, a record for Bearcats’ tight ends, for 1,117 (12.1) and 12 TDs. “He kind of did it all for them,” said a second scout. “He’s a good athlete. He’s quick, has good ball skills and is a competitive blocker. He’s a good football player.” Deguara is from Folsom, Calif.

2. JAKE BARGAS, North Carolina (6-1 1/2, 254, no 40, 7-FA): With no collegiate fullbacks available, teams are beating the bushes looking for tight ends to convert. Bargas played four years for the Tar Heels, starting just six of 48 games (none as a senior) as a tight end. “This guy’s strong, he’s physical,” one scout said. “You like the way he stones guys, you know? Not a great athlete. He’d be a good practice-squad fullback.” Finished with 21 receptions for 189 (9.0) and two TDs. From Boca Raton, Fla.

3. SEWO OLONILUA, TCU (6-2 ½, 232, 4.64, 7-FA): He played behind Darius Anderson, starting just nine of 52 games. “He leaves you scratching your head because he’s big and pretty and talented,” said one scout. “He’s got talent. They couldn’t get it out of him, and TCU’s a tough-minded program. If they couldn’t for four years, now we’re going to get it out of him?” He played fullback at the NFLPA all-star game, and because there are no fullbacks some teams have him on their boards at that position. “He is a strong short-yardage runner,” said a second scout. “I’ve never seen him block. He can catch. He runs hard.” Olonilua finished with 348 carries for 1,624 (4.7) and 18 TDs to go with 60 receptions and is from Kingwood, Texas.

OTHERS, in order: Reggie Gilliam, Toledo; James Lockhart, Baylor; Dominick Wood-Anderson, Tennessee.
THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO
Eno Benjamin, RB, Arizona State:
Benjamin is one of the toughest, most reckless players in the draft. “Breaks a ton of tackles,” said one scout. “The offensive line there was horrible so a lot of times he had to create stuff on his own.” Rushed for 1,642 yards as a sophomore and 1,083 as a junior before declaring. At 5-9 and 207, his 4.56 clocking in the 40 hurt him more than it helped.

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE
Lamical Perine, RB, Florida:
He led the Gators in rushing from 2017-’19 but never gained more than 826 yards. Possesses excellent hands but ran just 4.59 at 5-10 ½, 216. Wonderlic of 8. “Thinks he has all the answers,” one scout said. “Not sure I trust him.” His cousin, Samaje, was the Redskins’ fourth-round pick out of Oklahoma in 2017 and led them in rushing (603) as a rookie.

SCOUT TO REMEMBER


Dick Mansperger:
A meticulous Californian, Mansperger was described by one of his peers as “professional” and “focused.” In 1965, Mansperger left collegiate coaching to join the Cowboys as a scout. He spent a decade there, then departed for Seattle in 1976 to become director of player personnel for the expansion Seahawks. During his highly successful tenure he “stole” quarterback Jim Zorn from the Cowboys’ clutches and then uncovered free agent Dave Krieg to succeed him. Mansperger returned to Dallas in 1984 and, as director of college scouting, played a vital role in building three Super Bowl-winning teams. He quit the Cowboys in 1992 after a salary dispute with owner Jerry Jones. Mansperger died in 2013 at age 80.

QUOTE TO NOTE

NFL personnel man:
“I try not to overscout pass pro. At that (collegiate) level, they don’t spend a ton of time on it. They don’t get coached on a lot of the mechanics of it. If a back’s willing to put his face in there and has enough strike to stop the charge, I keep him alive.”
 

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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top defensive linemen
Bob McGinn Apr 19, 2020

This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-2017) and BobMcGinnFootball (2018-19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of scouts.

FYI: The Wonderlic scores as reported in this series were the lowest for players, some but not all of whom had the opportunity to take the test more than once. An increasing number of NFL teams regard the lowest score as the most meaningful score. Many players receive repetitive coaching on the Wonderlic before taking the test at the combine, and thus many teams consider second scores with skepticism and often view them as misleading. Also, some players never get a chance to retest.

This is the fifth part of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into defensive linemen. You can find quarterbacks here, running backs here, offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.


NFL decision-makers are studying the rushers, the stuffers and the studs as they make final adjustments to the defensive line on their draft boards.

The class isn’t a good one, nor is it a bad one. For every hit will come a miss. Yet the rewards are so vital at this most critical position that teams come back for more every year.

“At some point, you’ve got to take a shot on these guys,” one executive in personnel said. “These dudes don’t grow on trees.”
Exactly.

“This might be the position most of all that people just kind of invent players,” said another personnel man. ‘Oh, we’ve gotta have big bodies.’ OK, but if they’re not any good, how does it help you?”

Auburn’s Derrick Brown is the chairman of the board, and some scouts say South Carolina’s Javon Kinlaw has a chance to be even better when their careers are wrapped up. Brown is one of the five best players in the draft regardless of position, and Kinlaw is the No. 2 defensive lineman on most draft boards.

“Brown’s probably the most certain of the top guys in the draft,” said an AFC scout. “It’s a bit of a reach to say he’s the best player in the draft, but I don’t think he’s going to fail. His floor is very high.”

Kinlaw, another senior, is almost the exact same imposing size as Brown but has even longer arms and much bigger hands.

“Probably not as good an athlete as (Albert) Haynesworth,” another personnel man said. “But he gives a better effort.”

When those two come off the board, the sweat marks will expand under the arms of many decision-makers because the fun is just beginning. A cluster of eight big men will be staring teams in the face, and those that get it right here will have taken a giant step toward winning the draft.

The rushers, or 3-techniques, would be TCU’s Ross Blacklock, Oklahoma’s Neville Gallimore and Auburn’s Marlon Davidson.
Jordan Elliott of Missouri and Justin Madubuike of Texas A&M are viewed as more versatile by teams because they’re comfortable playing 3-technique or nose tackle.

Then come the three stuffers: Alabama’s Raekwon Davis, Ohio State’s Davon Hamilton and Utah’s Leki Fotu.

My poll of 17 personnel people revealed little agreement beyond Brown and Kinlaw. Brown was a unanimous choice among the scouts, and Kinlaw gathered 16 second-place votes to go with one third.

The point totals in the 1-to-5 voting showed Brown with 85 and Kinlaw with 65. Following, in order, were Blacklock (31), Gallimore (21), Davidson (16), Madubuike (11), Davis (10), Elliott (nine), Fotu (three) and Hamilton and Arkansas’ McTelvin Agim, each with two points.
What stood out in the balloting was the attractiveness of the rushers over the stuffers.

“When seven of the 10 plays are passes in the National Football League, you don’t need those guys anymore,” one executive said in reference to run-stopping base defensive ends. “Everybody will give up size for quickness and rush. It’s happening in high school. If you can’t run, then your chances of playing are slim and none.”

That’s where Blacklock, Gallimore, Davidson and possibly Madubuike come in. All are somewhat undersized for regular turns at 1-technique. What they possess are speed and athletic ability.

Gallimore (4.82), Madubuike (4.85) and Blacklock (4.91) all can run, and Davidson, despite a 5.04 clocking, had more career sacks (17) than the others.

In the past five years, just nine defensive tackles with 3-technique characteristics and sub-4.9 speed were drafted in the first four rounds. You can define the hits and the misses.

Quinnen Williams (6-3, 299, 4.82) and Ed Oliver (6-2, 284, 4.73) were first-round choices last year. In 2018, P.J. Hall (6-0 1/2, 308, 4.76) went in the second, and Da’Shawn Hand (6-3 1/2, 298, 4.84) went in the fourth.

In 2017, it was Montravius Adams (6-3 1/2, 304, 4.88) in the third round. In 2016, it was Robert Nkemdiche (6-3 1/2, 295, 4.89) in the first, Adam Gotsis (6-4 1/2, 292, 4.89) in the second and Javon Hargrave (6-1 1/2, 305, 4.88) in the third. And, in 2015, it was Xavier Cooper (6-3, 293, 4.85) in the third.

An AFC personnel man paused before sizing up the triumvirate of Blacklock, Gallimore and Madubuike.

“They all have potential,” the scout said. “They all test out well. I wish they played a little more consistently. They all have some speed, some quickness. They all have plays that are pretty darn impressive, and they all disappear in stretches.”

One scout listed Brown and Kinlaw as 1-techniques in a positional grouping that also included Davis, Madubuike, Fotu, Hamilton and LSU’s Rashard Lawrence.

An evaluator summed up the never-ending assignment for him and his peers like this: “You’ve just got to get the right one.”



“He’s the case study on why a kid comes back for his senior year,” a scout said about Auburn’s Derrick Brown. (Brian Spurlock / USA Today)

RANKING THE DEFENSIVE LINE

1. DERRICK BROWN, Auburn (6-4 1/2, 324, 5.17, 1): Returned for his senior season with a purpose, solidifying his status as the best interior player available. “He’s such a big guy,” said one scout. “He’s not explosive and twitchy like a Gerald McCoy coming out. The 3-techs like Warren Sapp are quicker than him, but he’s so big I don’t think it really matters. He’s pretty quick for his size, and he plays hard.” McCoy (6-4, 298, 5.06) and Ndamukong Suh (6-4, 304, 5.08) were compared by scouts to Brown, as was Fletcher Cox (6-4, 299, 4.80). “The difference between him and Ndamukong Suh is Suh had your typical lazy big-man tendencies,” another scout said. “This kid plays hard all the time. I think he’s No. 1 in the draft against the run. He’s the case study on why a kid comes back for his senior year. He probably would have been a late first last year, and now he’s going in the top six or seven. He made himself tens of millions of dollars. Just a really good football player and a really good kid. Going into the year, some teams thought he might be too nice. He certainly didn’t play that way this year. Really disruptive, powerful, quick.” A durable three-year starter, he finished with 170 tackles (33 1/2 for loss) and 13 sacks. “He’s far and away the best,” said a third scout. “He’s the total package. There ain’t nothing he can’t do. Just watch the Alabama game. He’s phenomenal.” According to one scout, Brown displayed stunning speed getting out of his stance and hitting the bag in drills. The only negative would be small hands (9 inches). From Sugar Hill, Ga.

2. JAVON KINLAW, South Carolina (6-5, 324, no 40, 1): Spent his first year of college at a junior college before starting 34 of 37 games from 2017 to 2019. “In two or three years he could pass Brown up,” said one scout. “He’s got more physical tools. He’s longer. He can run. Just figuring things out. Changed his body this year. Lost 20 pounds from the previous season (2018). If he can stay on the trajectory he’s on, you’ve got a perennial Pro Bowl-type player. He has lived out of his car. He’s battled through a lot of adversity in life. He had a child this offseason, and that usually sends a guy one of two ways: into a tailspin or focused. He’s focused.” Finished with 93 tackles (18 for loss), 10 1/2 sacks and 10 passes defensed. “The easy comparison is Chris Jones (6-5 1/2, 311, 5.01),” another scout said. “They both were kind of inconsistent as college players but have a ton of upside. He’d run about 5.0. He’s a really good athlete.” His arms (34 7/8) were the longest of the top 25 D-tackles. Hands were 10 1/2 inches. “He’s got star-or-bust written all over him,” said a third scout. “Not instinctive. He is big and strong but I don’t completely trust him.” His family, which is from Trinidad, eventually settled in Charleston, S.C. “You talk about busts, I think he’ll be,” a fourth scout said. “He doesn’t know how to play. He’s got that big upper body. More of a straight-line, gap-charging, try-to-bull-you guy. Doesn’t have much movement or feel or hand use. He has those (bust) traits where he just tries to outmuscle and outpower everybody. You just don’t see the production. He’s just really a flash player.”

3. ROSS BLACKLOCK, TCU (6-3, 290, 4.91, 1-2): Played RB and TE for some of his high school career. “Dad was a (Harlem) Globetrotter,” said one scout. “Great home life. Best football is ahead of him. He’s got feet, eyes, strength to push the pocket. He can two-gap. Understands how to use his hands. Has a feel for the game. Has quickness and burst. All his is upside. I do see him as a first-rounder.” Redshirted in 2016, started in ’17, blew out his Achilles and sat out ’18, started in ’19 and declared a year early. “Depending on what he weighs, he can do a lot,” another scout said. “He was 310 at one time. He ran 4.9 at 310, same as at 290. It’s hard to find college players on the inside that have legit pass-rush ability. He does. … He’s immature. That shows up in his film, too. When he gets hard coaching from guys that make him grow up and be a man, it’ll show up on the field as well.” Finished with 67 tackles (15 1/2 for loss) and 5 1/2 sacks. “You see some athletic ability,” said a third scout. “Nimble, quick. But a non-explosive guy. He just gets beat up inside. I don’t think he’s very tough or competitive. Just a flash gap-penetrating guy.” From Missouri City, Texas.

4. NEVILLE GALLIMORE, Oklahoma (6-2, 305, 4.82, 1-2): Played mostly NT for the Sooners but projects as a 3-technique. “He and Blacklock are pretty similar,” said one scout. “Gallimore plays a little harder. He flashes a ton when he chases. He can really run sideline to sideline.” Started at least five games in all four seasons after redshirting in 2015. “Not a perfect player, but he’s fun to watch,” said a second scout. “He’s a really good athlete. He’s really explosive, but he’s a linear athlete and gets really (upright).” Finished with 148 tackles (18 for loss) and 8 1/2 sacks. “I’m lukewarm on him,” a third scout said. “I don’t know if he’s got a true feel for it. Gets a little disruption as an interior pass rusher. More of a one-gap player. He’ll get engulfed at times. Does he have steel, or is he just a flash player? Second round.” Born and raised in the Canadian capital of Ottawa by Jamaican parents. “He was almost unblockable at the Senior Bowl,” said a fourth scout. “His competitiveness isn’t an issue. But for his ability level his productivity isn’t very good.” Short arms (32 3/4).

5. MARLON DAVIDSON, Auburn (6-3 1/2, 300, 5.04, 1-2): His main attributes, according to one scout, are his tremendous leadership ability and overwhelming love of the game. “He ran that room,” another scout said of the Tigers’ defensive-line meeting space, which included Derrick Brown. “He’s a badass. I wouldn’t take him in the first, but I would in the second. My problem with him is, I can show you two or three plays where they block him to the ground. First-rounders, in my book, don’t get blocked to the ground. Pancaked.” Possesses first-step quickness, good feet and all-out playing tempo. Played alongside Green Bay’s Montravius Adams in 2016. “I think he’s better than Adams, but he’s different,” said a third scout. “I see him more as a 3-4 5-technique. Kind of a tweener. He’s not fast enough to play (4-3) end. On rush downs, he’d be excellent inside.” Finished with 175 tackles (29 1/2 for loss), 17 sacks and nine passes defensed in 51 games, all starts. “I don’t think he’ll go in the first just because of the injury history and the fact he’s a little bit of a one-year wonder,” a fourth scout said. “They said he was 275 when we were there (last fall). Then he shows up at the Senior Bowl at 300 (actually 297; he was 303 at the combine and 296 at pro day March 6). Now people wonder if he’s an inside guy. I think somebody got into his head and said you need to be around 300, but I don’t think that’s his game. I think his game is 280 and movement.” From Greenville, Ala.

6. JORDAN ELLIOTT, Missouri (6-4, 302, 5.01, 1-2): Began his career playing six games at Texas in 2016. Sat out ’17 as a transfer before backing up in ’18 and starting in ’19. “He’s a 3-technique and he can two-gap,” said one scout. “He flashes burst. He’s a disruptor. Has some issues with size blockers. Kid’s got good film. He’s really good.” Finished with 76 tackles (19 1/2 for loss) and six sacks. “He’s not starter level,” said a second scout. “He doesn’t have that type of twitch or that type of hand use. He’s a decent pass rusher.” Played the season between 300 and 305 after having been 320-plus earlier in his career. “Just more of an effort pass rusher,” said a third scout. “More of just a run stopper. Knows how to play. I thought he’d be a nice utility backup type guy to have.” His score of 30 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test was the highest at the position. His arm length (32 3/8) was the second-shortest among the top 15 defensive linemen. From Missouri City, Texas.

7. JUSTIN MADUBUIKE, Texas A&M (6-2 1/2, 293, 4.85, 2): Fourth-year junior paced the position in the 3-cone at 7.37 seconds. One team that throws all testing numbers into a hopper and comes up with overall rankings had him as the best athlete at the position. “He’s a really good athlete,” said one scout. “He’ll be a third-rounder. He’s got some character concerns. Just personality and small things off the field with his teammates.” Fourth-year junior redshirted in 2016, backed up in ’17 and started and won team MVP honors each of the past two seasons. “He’s got as much talent as any of ’em,” said a second scout. “But he doesn’t love football. He can do everything. He can run, too.” Finished with 105 tackles (24 1/2 for loss) and 11 sacks. “He’s more than athlete enough, but he’s one of those guys who picks his spots,” a third scout said. “He’s got to play inside, and I don’t know if he can. He’s more like a move nose tackle than an anchor. … He was a highly rotated player. He tapped himself out. I don’t think he’s a tough guy.” Arms were 33 1/2, hands were merely 9. From McKinney, Texas.



One scout said Alabama’s Raekwon Davis is an ideal prospect to play end or nose tackle in a 3-4 defense. (Joe Robbins / Getty Images)

8. RAEKWON DAVIS, Alabama (6-6, 311, 5.13, 2-3): According to one scout, he’s an ideal prospect to play end or nose tackle in a 3-4 defense because he’s a better run stopper than any other DT in the draft. “He’s a two-gap, huge, long, strong, physical (player),” said another scout. “He’s impressive. I think he brings more value for a 3-4 team. You could put him at 5-technique and he’d shut stuff down now.” Part-time starter in 2017 yet still came up with 8 1/2 sacks. Finished with 11 1/2 in 48 games (32 starts) to go with 175 tackles (19 1/2 for loss). “When he walks in the room you say, ‘Oh, my gosh, this guy’s incredible,’” said a third scout. “The truth of it is he looks the part but he doesn’t really play the part. Yeah, he had seven sacks (8 1/2) one year, but that was more the benefit of what was around him. Not much pass rush. Boom or bust. He can bend, but I don’t see any twitch in him. He’s just a big 3-4 D-end. There’s value in that maybe on one down per series. After that, it’s throw the ball here, there and everywhere.” Arms were 33 7/8, hands tied for the position lead at 11. “He’s sort of slipped a little bit,” said a fourth scout. “I don’t know what happened to him. I liked him earlier in his career. He might be one of those guys that plays much better than he did this year. He did dominate at times as a (sophomore).” From Meridian, Miss.

9. DAVON HAMILTON, Ohio State (6-3 1/2, 320, 5.17, 2-3): Fifth-year starter. Had to wait until 2019 to crack the lineup. “Starting nose tackle,” said one scout. “More motor and power to push the pocket than he is explosive on the edge. His first- and second-down value is better than his pass rush, but he’s got enough.” Played better and better as the season went on. “A lot of guys were putting fifth-round grades on him, thinking they were sticking their necks out on a one-year starter,” said another scout. “Now they regret it. I think he’ll go second round, and he should. He’s super talented. Really powerful. Will have value on third down because he can collapse the pocket. He’ll be a really good starter.” Finished with 66 tackles (21 for loss) and seven sacks. “Like the way he plays,” a third scout said. “Square body. Wide body. Plays hard. He’s a two-down nose type. Not much range. Just a box-area banger. He worked out really well. Probably third round.” Led the position on the bench press with 33 reps. From Pickerington, Ohio.

10. LEKI FOTU, Utah (6-5 1/2, 330, 5.17, 2-3): If a team needs someone to two-gap ala Vince Wilfork, this is the player. “He’s a 1-tech that totally controls the point of attack,” said one scout. “Jeffery Simmons was a little bit like him, but he was quicker than Fotu. He can push the guard to the quarterback. He’s so big that I question his arm length. His torso is so thick that his arms don’t fall.” Big all over. Arms measured 34 1/4, hands were 10 5/8. “He’s gigantic,” another scout said. “Tough guy. Strong. A one-down nowadays nose tackle. Not even two downs anymore. He’s a box-area, run-support player.” Finished with 85 tackles (18 for loss) and 4 1/2 sacks. “There’s no way this guy can play for us,” a third scout said. “If a team really wants a 3-4 nose, he’s probably the best one. That’s what this guy is made for.” From Oakland, Calif.

11. McTELVIN AGIM, Arkansas (6-2 1/2, 308, 4.94, 3-4): Played as a base DE for three seasons before shifting inside as a senior. “He did some good things in some all-star games,” one scout said. “Probably more consistent in those games than he was on college tape. Late rounds, but I know there are people that like him.” Started 40 of 49 games, finishing with 145 tackles (31 1/2 for loss) and 16 sacks. “We thought he could play inside or base end in a big scheme,” said a second scout. “He needs some development. He’s kind of like a (early) Day 3 pick. Maybe end of Day 2.” Vertical jump of 30 1/2 led the position. Arms were 33 1/2, hands were 10 1/8. “He has really good initial quickness so he’ll flash,” said a third scout. “They (the flashes) are few and far between. He disappears for long stretches. He did have a good week at the Senior Bowl. He has some pass rush to him, and a lot of these inside guys don’t. He has the ability to get on an edge and win. I just see a big underachiever on tape, but I don’t think he gets out of the fourth round.” From Texarkana, Texas.

12. LARRELL MURCHISON, North Carolina State (6-2 1/2, 297, 5.06, 3): Played two years in junior college, redshirted in 2017 and started all 25 games in 2018-19. “He’s a very good football player,” said one scout. “He doesn’t look like anything on the hoof. You see him and go, ‘That’s Murchison?’ But he’s kind of sneaky athletic. He makes a ton of plays for a guy inside. He chases, plays hard, always knows where the ball’s going. I don’t know if he’s a Pro Bowl-type player but a guy you want on your team. When he’s not on the field, you’re going to know it.” Lined up inside and outside in a 3-3-5 defense. Finished with 82 tackles (20 for loss) and 11 sacks. “Man, if you go off the Senior Bowl, he’s like a Pro Bowler,” another scout said. “They couldn’t block him at the Senior Bowl. He is a talented guy. He has to win off the snap. The longer the play goes, the less effective he is. He’s a movement guy. He’ll be disqualified from other schemes. He’s a backup. Maybe a fourth-rounder as a 3-technique.” His vertical jump of 30 1/2 led the position. From Elizabethtown, N.C.

13. JAMES LYNCH, Baylor (6-3 1/2, 289, 4.96, 3-4): Declared for the draft a year early after coach Matt Rhule departed for Carolina. “Very hard-playing,” said one scout. “Productive. He’s a tweener, between end and defensive tackle. High-level second-wave guy, probably. He’ll come in mainly on passing downs.” Broke the Bears’ record for sacks in a season (13 1/2 in 2019) and sacks in a career (22). Also made 101 tackles (33 1/2 for loss). His problem is 31 7/8 arms. “I feel 32 is the bare minimum,” a second scout said. “He’s going to have problems. He’s undersized to go inside, and he’s not fast enough to be an edge guy at 4.97. He’s a backup guy that will create some havoc for the offensive line. He does compete. He can play the run. He’s a good football player, but he’s not special.” Wonderlic of 26 was second-best among DTs. “Doesn’t have long speed but does a nice job getting skinny and has good feel for the game,” a third scout said. “Plays hard. Don’t see the athleticism.” From Round Rock, Texas.

14. RASHARD LAWRENCE, LSU (6-2, 308, 5.16, 4-5): Three-year starter. “More of an overachiever, grunt type of player,” said one scout. “Like the way he plays. One-down run support. Combative player. Not much pass rush. Guy you’d like on your team. Academic All-SEC twice. Was captain (for three years).” Production declined sharply as a senior. Finished with 120 tackles (21 for loss) and nine sacks. Has a history of knee (patellar tendon) and ankle injuries. Hands (11) tied for the largest at the position. “He’s a Steady Eddie,” a second scout said. “He’s had a ton of lower-body injuries. He’s a third-day guy, at best.” From Monroe, La.

15. ROBERT WINDSOR, Penn State (6-4 1/2, 290, 4.90, 5-6): Two-year starter as a 3-technique. “He is strong and is 100 percent,” said one scout. “You’re going to want the guy in camp, but I don’t think he’ll make it. He’s not that big. Basically, what you see is what you get.” His outstanding workout at the combine included a position-best short shuttle of 4.44. Other than a superb performance against Iowa, scouts say he seldom played to his testing numbers. “He’s got a quick first step and high motor,” said one scout. “Keeps his feet moving. He’s better in the pass than the run. Lacks strength and is often exposed. Gets overpowered by the bigger blockers. Needs to see the field better to make plays. … Marches to the beat of his own drum. He’s perceived as a selfish guy. Hasn’t bought into the program. He’s got that privileged-kid kind of thing.” Stunned the PSU staff in the offseason by working out off-campus on his own rather than at the university with teammates. ”He’s a make-it guy,” said a third scout. “A 5-technique who can probably play any position across the D-line.” Finished with 121 tackles (20 for loss) and 14 sacks. From Fond du Lac, Wis.

OTHERS, in order: John Penisini, Utah; Josiah Coatney, Mississippi; Raequan Williams, Michigan State; Carlos Davis, Nebraska; Tyler Clark, Georgia; Khalil Davis, Nebraska; Benito Jones, Mississippi; Jashon Cornell, Ohio State; Darrion Daniels, Nebraska; Malcolm Roach, Texas; Calvin Taylor, Kentucky; Bravvion Roy, Baylor; Robert Landers, Ohio State.

THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO

John Penisini, NT, Utah:
A rugby player who didn’t play football until his senior year of high school in West Jordan, Utah. Spent two years at a junior college, backed up in 2017 and started at 3-technique alongside Leki Fotu for two years. Penisini (6-1 1/2, 318) offers next to nothing as a pass rusher, but there are teams that like his ruggedness and shock-absorbing capabilities.

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

Raequan Williams, NT, Michigan State:
Played well at 315-plus as a junior but wasn’t as effective at 300 as a senior. He was down to 287 at the Senior Bowl, but a month later was 308 at the combine. Durable, conscientious big man (6-4, 308) who gives great effort. If Williams gets his weight squared away, he might earn a run-down rotational role.

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

Bucko Kilroy:
He spent 64 years in the NFL, first as a six-time All-Pro lineman in Philadelphia and then as a successful GM, personnel director and scout for the Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys and Patriots. He helped found the National Football Scouting combine in 1981. Intelligent, innovative and barrel-chested. A larger-than-life character. Dick Steinberg, one of the many outstanding scouts whom Kilroy hired, said in 1992: “He knows as much about pro football as anyone in history.” He died in 2007 at age 86.

QUOTE TO NOTE

AFC executive in personnel:
“The stationary guy in today’s football, I don’t know how he survives. At any position.”
 

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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top linebackers
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-’17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

FYI: The Wonderlic scores as reported in this series were the lowest for players, some but not all of whom had the opportunity to take the test more than once. An increasing number of NFL teams regard the lowest score as the most meaningful score. Many players receive repetitive coaching on the Wonderlic before taking the test at the combine, and thus many teams consider second scores with skepticism and often view them as misleading. Also, some players never get a chance to retest.

This is the seventh part of our nine-part series. Today, we dive into linebackers. You can find edge rushers here, defensive linemen here, quarterbacks here, running backs here, offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.


Isaiah Simmons played a leading role for great teams at Clemson, compiled enviable statistics, blew out the combine and has been anointed not only as the most unique but also one of the five or 10 best players in the NFL draft. It would surprise no one if some teams are plotting an attempt to trade up and secure his versatile services as a building block for their defenses.

Simmons, however, is not without his detractors, some more vociferous than others. One executive in personnel went so far as to label Simmons the most overrated player in the draft. NFL general managers and coaches will say of an atypical prospect, “I don’t know what to do with him.” They like certitude, both in their players and throughout their organizations.

With Simmons, that’s next to impossible. In my poll of 16 executives asking what they thought his best position would be in the NFL, 10 replied weak-side linebacker, three said nickel linebacker, one said outside linebacker and two said safety. “He’s the best linebacker or the best safety,” said a personnel man for an AFC team. “It’s where you want to play him.”

Before selecting Simmons, it would behoove any team to have a definitive plan on how to employ him. His efficacy would be threatened if the secondary coach wanted Simmons in his room, the linebackers coach wanted him in his room and the pass-rush specialist wanted him sitting in with the defensive line.

“If you put this guy at sam linebacker only, he’s going to struggle,” said an AFC executive. “If you put him at free safety only, he’s going to struggle. You’ve got to be creative. Some coaches in the NFL are creative, and some are not. If he goes high, that team has to be fully committed. If not, he’s dead in the water.”

If the coordinators view Simmons one way and the personnel department sees him another way, a team might just as well select somebody else or trade back.

“He has to go to the right team,” another AFC personnel man said. “There’s a high bust probability if you put too much on his plate or you don’t have the right plan.”

Given Simmons’ size (6-3 ½, 233), speed (4.38), vertical jump (39 inches), broad jump (11-0) and arm length (33 3/8), everyone can see his extraordinary physical gifts. Not only that, but he produced superbly for Clemson coach Dabo Swinney and Brent Venables, his defensive coordinator. His three-year statistics included 249 tackles (28 ½ for loss), 10 ½ sacks, 26 passes defensed, five forced fumbles and four interceptions.

In December, former Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera spoke to NBC’s Peter King about some things he had taken away from his almost nine years on the job and also by observing Bill Belichick in New England.

“The style of defensive player you need today, in my opinion, has changed,” said Rivera. “I got that based on what I saw him (Belichick) do last year in the playoffs. He put guys on the field that could chase Patrick Mahomes, then stop the Rams from running.

“So looking for these big, bulky defensive-end type players is no longer relevant … you have to find the sideline-to-sideline guys who can play every down.”

Simmons isn’t a defensive end, although there were occasions he lined up there under the ever-unpredictable Venables. “I played every position except for nose or 3-technique,” he said at the combine. But his game is based on speed, sideline to sideline and goalpost to goalpost.

Many scouts can agree that Simmons has all the size and skill required to carry the fight even to the finest tight ends in coverage. “I can promise you he can take any tight end in the NFL out of his game,” an executive in personnel said. “Instead of having a guy catch eight, 10 balls in the middle he could hold him to two. That he can do.”

That scout went so far as to say Simmons could have success against wide receivers using press coverage if they were outside, not in the slot. “He’s got those long arms,” he said. “You don’t have to have great hips to be a press corner because you’re already turned. You’re just beating them up all the way down the field.”

At Clemson, Simmons sometimes would align with responsibility for a slot receiver but line up 10 to 12 yards off. At other times he would align deep in a one- or two-high safety look. Some scouts maintain that Simmons can handle all types of coverage in the NFL because “he’s a freak show, athletically,” according to one.

Others disagree. “If an offensive coordinator or quarterback sees him as a single-high safety they’re going to throw at him every single time,” one personnel man said. “He’s a really good athlete for a linebacker but not a really good athlete for a safety. If they play him in the slot, they’ll throw at him because he can’t cover receivers.”

Another personnel man said Simmons wasn’t physical enough to operate in close quarters as a linebacker. “He’s going to have to be a safety but he’s so leggy,” he said. “It’s the leggy thing that bothers you.”

Could Simmons pick up a wide receiver flying across the field on an over route if he was aligned as a center fielder and that was his man?
“He can’t drop his hips and flip and go another way,” the scout said. “He’s not that twitchy of an athlete.”

Simmons stood out by ranging all over the field and making tackles. “To make plays he has to run and chase,” said one scout.

When it comes to stopping the run in the tackle box, few executives think Simmons would be much more than average. “He doesn’t play off blocks really great but you don’t have to take on in the box anymore,” said one personnel man. “All you’ve got to do is get ‘em down now.”

It’s probable that much of Simmons’ tackling opportunities will come from off-ball positions varying in distance from a few yards to 15. It will require him to “run the alley,” break down and tackle.

“He’s a tall, high-cut kid,” one personnel man said. “Unless he’s in that alleyway where he can just sit and explode, it’s tough for a big, tall kid. He has overrun some plays because he gets there so fast and when somebody makes a quick cut he doesn’t adjust real well. He isn’t a hammer, but nobody cares about that anymore. It’s getting to be like flag football. I’m talking the NFL. I think there are tougher hits in the Division I college game than in the NFL.”

Another scout said Simmons tackles well enough and is physical enough when compared to the typical NFL safety but not at the level of the typical NFL linebacker. “He tackles like a freakin’ corner,” said one scout. “He’s not a blow ‘em up guy.”

Also in the passing game, Simmons was used to spy quarterbacks and to rush from various locales. He had eight sacks in 2019, many of which were the results of schematic victories by Venables or his relentless, lightning-like pursuit of fleeing quarterbacks.

“They scheme him off the edge, and he comes flying and he’s free,” one scout said. “He’s got some sacks because of that. It is not as if he’s putting his hand down and working moves, spinning, bull rushing, slipping and dipping. He’s not doing any of that. He’s running straight or they’re stunting him where he comes flying through the gap.”

Because of Simmons’ size, talent, production and the wide-ranging nature of his collegiate career, the comparables used by scouts in relation to him make for a diverse group, to say the least.

In order of their NFL career start, the seven comps with their collegiate height-weight-speed have been Charles Woodson (6-1, 200, 4.43), Brian Urlacher (6-3 ½, 258, 4.62), Tommy Polley (6-3 ½, 230, 4.68), Troy Polamalu (5-10, 206, 4.45), Zach Brown (6-1 ½, 243, 4.46), Anthony Barr (6-4 ½, 251, 4.46) and Derwin James (6-2, 216, 4.44).

“Although they’re totally different types of players, in their usage maybe Troy Polamalu,” said one executive. “It’s unorthodox. Troy really didn’t play a position … this guy is a space player. A space-matchup guy.”

My poll of 16 personnel men indicated there are a host of good players at the position this year besides Simmons. His narrow margin might be considered somewhat surprising considering the attention he has drawn in the past few months. Scouts were asked to tab their best linebackers on a 1-2-3-4-5 basis, with a first-place vote worth 5 points, a second-place vote worth 4 and so on.

Simmons led the way with 68 points and 10 firsts, with Kenneth Murray (61, four), Patrick Queen (46, one), Zack Baun (27) and Jordyn Brooks (15) rounding out the top five.

Following, in order, were Willie Gay (six), Jacob Phillips (five, one), Logan Wilson (five), Shaun Bradley (two), Cam Brown (two), Akeem Davis-Gaither (two) and Malik Harrison (one).

“The hardest thing to find as a scout is a three-down linebacker,” said an AFC personnel man. “You’re in nickel 75 percent of the time. You can find these two-downs on every street corner. A three-down guy that never comes off the field, it’s impossible to find. They’ve got to be very, very smart.”

RANKING THE LINEBACKERS



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1. ISAIAH SIMMONS, Clemson (6-3 ½, 233, 4.38, 1): Simmons redshirted in 2016, played extensively as a safety in ’17 and started as a LB/nickel back in 2018-’19. “Love the speed,” one scout said. “Love the size, the length, the versatility, coverage. I’d play him at linebacker close to the line of scrimmage. In some schemes he may be a safety. He can wear a lot of different hats. That’s what makes him so special. He can cover. He can play in the slot. He can play in the box. He can play in the deep part of the field. Even if he is your ‘sam’ backer you can play him at nickel. You can blitz him. He’s a hybrid. Love him.” He declined to do shuttle runs or drill work at the combine after testing superbly earlier in the night. “With the exception of (Joe) Burrow I might make the guy the first pick,” said a second scout. “At North Carolina, Lawrence Taylor played all over the field. Played in space and rushed the passer. I don’t want to make that comparison now because it’s been so long, but this guy can rush the passer, play on the line of scrimmage, move 12 to 15 yards down the field and cover people.” Simmons scored 12 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic test. Many understand the test has its limitations and doesn’t always provide the clearest model of intellect. Still, it’s survived because teams still view it as a valuable tool in the evaluation of players. “It’s crazy to think he had a low test score and played like five different positions at Clemson,” a third scout said. “For him to be able to handle all that stuff and perform like he did, it doesn’t match up.” Simmons is a fourth-year junior from Olathe, Kan. “You can’t play a base defense with him,” said a fourth scout. “He could be a huge hit. He could be like a satellite defender that everything revolves around. Or he’s never going to find a home and people will be left scratching their heads saying, ‘He wasn’t a safety, he wasn’t a linebacker, we could never find a home for him.’ There’s a lot of risk. If you do not have a fully engaged shared vision, oh yeah, it could go south quickly.” His arms were 33 3/8, hands were 9 5/8. “He is not a tough, physical football player,” said a fifth scout. “He’s not a hitter. Doesn’t break down well. I don’t get it. Down in and down out, he’s not a factor or a difference-maker.”

2. KENNETH MURRAY, Oklahoma (6-2 ½, 242, 4.55, 1): Murray is a third-year junior. “One of my favorite players,” said one scout. “When you plug in the player and the person you love him even more. He does everything you want. He runs the defense. I thought he was better than Roquan Smith. I don’t think he’s quite as good as a Luke Kuechly. He’ll be a Pro Bowl-type player. He didn’t cover there. They didn’t ask him to, but I think he can. He’s an explosive athlete but he’s not a physical tackler. That’s one of the only knocks I have on him.” Murray started all 42 games, finishing with 335 tackles (37 for loss) and 9 ½ sacks. “He can run the show,” a second scout said. “Just a little bit lacking on instincts and angles. But he’s big, fast and a hell of a kid. He loves football. Great locker-room guy.” Murray is a tremendous testing athlete, too. He scored a Wonderlic of 21. “He’s sideline-to-sideline,” a third scout said. “Inside, he tries to take on. He’s just not the strongest. He’s more of a slip-and-dip type, which is what you’re playing with now. As far as a modern-day linebacker, he has those traits. Covers well.” Murray is from Missouri City, Texas.

3. PATRICK QUEEN, LSU (6-0, 229, 4.50, 1-2): Queen is a third-year junior who wasn’t even starting until Michael Divinity was suspended early in the season. “I think Queen’s the second-best player in the draft,” said one scout who designated Chase Young as No. 1. “Well-built. Explosive runner. Guy makes plays. He’s not an Alpha dog. That’s OK as long as the ‘mike’ can run it.” Divinity called the defense before the suspension and the more experienced Jacob Phillips played an instrumental role next to Queen. “He’s not going to be Ray Lewis mentality,” another scout said. “It hasn’t been his thing to this point because he’s only been a one-year starter. Had he started for more than one year I think he would have grown into that role more.” Queen started just 16 games in three seasons, finishing with 131 tackles (17 ½ for loss), four sacks and no forced fumbles. He posted a Wonderlic of 24. “Divinity made the calls,” said a third scout. “That’s why it took so long for Queen to get on the field. He’s a smart kid but he’s not very vocal.” Queen is from Ventress, La. “He is a straight-line fast guy,” said a fourth scout. “Besides that, I don’t think he does much well. He’s not very athletic in space. He doesn’t break down well. He misses a ton of tackles. Not physical at all taking on and getting off blocks. I don’t think he has great instincts. In coverage, he kind of drops to spots. He’s not a man-cover athlete for being that size.”

4. ZACK BAUN, Wisconsin (6-2 ½, 238, 4.68, 1-2): Baun redshirted in 2015, backed up in ’16 and missed all of ’17 with a Lisfranc tear in his left foot. “I got guys that don’t like him but I like how he plays,” one scout said. “He’s a pretty smart dude. I like the way his motor’s always running. He’s got good hands to stack. He works to capture the edge. Size gives him a few issues. Too productive not to get drafted high.” Baun started at OLB in a 3-4 defense the past two seasons and played off the ball at the Senior Bowl, where he is listed here. “He’s going to essentially change positions,” said another scout. “The first-round stuff is kind of crazy to me. He’s a good football player but he kind of came out of nowhere if you’ve watched last year’s tape. To take a guy in the first round at a position he’s never played is kind of bizarre. You’re not talking about a tackle playing guard. You’re talking about a defensive end playing inside linebacker. That’s a whole different world.” Baun finished with 154 tackles (30 for loss) and 15 sacks. “He’s borderline-to-small to be a 3-4 outside backer,” a third scout said. “I wrote him as a ‘sam.’ He’s tough and has good strength for a guy his size.” ESPN’s Adam Schefter cited sources saying Baun tested positive at the combine for a diluted sample stemming from excessive water intake before the weigh-in (and also reported that “under the NFL’s new CBA, it will not count as a strike against him whereas it would have under the NFL’s old CBA. Therefore, teams don’t believe it will impact his draft status much.”) Baun posted a Wonderlic of 24 and is from Brown Deer, Wis.



One scout called Brooks a “modern-day linebacker. He’s top 50 for sure.”(Photo: John E. Moore III/Getty Images)

5. JORDYN BROOKS, Texas Tech (6-0, 240, 4.52, 2-3): Brooks moved to MLB as a senior after starting the first three seasons on the outside. “I kind of like him,” said one scout. “He can get off the spot and runs to the ball. He can chase. He can cover. He’s got exceptional quickness. He can drop his hips, change directions, explode and make a tackle in space. Modern-day linebacker. He’s top 50 for sure.” He’s the first LB mentioned by a scout when asked to pick out the heaviest hitter. He posted a Wonderlic of 10. “I don’t think (running a defense) comes natural to him, but he worked at it,” one scout said. Another scout disagreed, saying there was no way he could direct and call a defense. “No, no, no, no, no,” he said. “But he’s a good player. Real tough. He’s been hurt, we don’t have that much medical on him and he’s 5-11. I don’t like that (10 test).” Has had two shoulder operations and finished with 367 tackles (33 for loss) and seven sacks. He’s the first All-American LB for the Red Raiders since Zach Thomas in 1995. “Kind of thick, active, play-hard,” a fourth scout said. “He can do enough in the pass game.” Brooks is from Houston.

6. WILLIE GAY, Mississippi State (6-1, 243, 4.47, 3): Gay is a third-year junior with a mere six starts in 31 games. Besides an impressive 40 at the combine, his 11-4 broad jump led linebackers and his hands led at 10 ½. “He blew it up at the combine,” said one scout. “He is active. He is tough. Tries to take on. Did not see the speed and change of direction on film that he displayed with the workout numbers. He does play hard. Just thought he was an old-school, inside, one-down linebacker.” He missed eight games in 2019 for academic fraud, according to scouts, and reportedly punched a teammate (QB Garrett Shrader) in the face during the leadup to the Music City Bowl, causing Shrader to miss the game because of an orbital bone injury. “You’ve got to drop him a little for the character and off-the-field stuff,” a second scout said. “He’s not a criminal, so I don’t mind him. Some issues are terminal; some aren’t. He’s just going to be maintenance for you as a rookie.” Gay posted a Wonderlic score of 14. “Has a starter’s physical ability but doesn’t have a starter’s full package,” said a third scout. “It’s a roll of the dice on him. He’s talented, but really, really inconsistent.” Gay finished with 99 tackles (11 for loss) and three sacks. He played college ball in his hometown of Starkville, Miss.

7. LOGAN WILSON, Wyoming (6-2, 238, 4.60, 3): Wilson is just the second player in the Cowboys’ history to be a three-time captain. “Really productive almost every game you put on,” one scout said. “He’s a good athlete, and he’s got prototypical NFL size. He’s got an ability to take on and use his hands. He sees the game pretty quickly.” That personnel man viewed Wilson as a starter with a chance to play every snap given pro experience. “He’s a sleeper almost, if you will,” said another scout. “He’s really good. He’s not a physical tackler, but he is tough, big and strong. He does enough of everything that matters.” He started 52 games, finishing with 421 tackles (35 for loss), seven sacks, 10 interceptions and 24 passes defensed. “Nice feel for the game,” said a third scout. “Can break down and make space tackles. Can run and cover ground.” Wilson posted a Wonderlic of 16 and is from Casper, Wyo.

8. AKEEM DAVIS-GAITHER, Appalachian State (6-1 ½, 224, no 40, 3): He started 30 of 55 games after redshirting in 2015. “Nickel backer,” said one scout. “Athletic guy with quickness, toughness and natural football skills. Will be an excellent special-teams player. Space player. Plays hard. He’s a modern-day linebacker.” Davis-Gaither was unable to run or work out at the combine because of foot surgery in March. “Not running will hurt him,” said another scout. “Never have a problem with this type of kid. Good athletic background.” His father, Keith, is WR coach at Army. He finished with 258 tackles (28 for loss) and eight sacks. “He can run,” said a third scout. “Low 4.5’s. Really high-character kid. He’s explosive on contact. He’s the new wave of NFL backer.” Davis-Gaither is from Thomasville, N.C.

9. JACOB PHILLIPS, LSU (6-3, 229, 4.64, 4): Phillips led the national champions in tackles with 113. “He had no hype at all, but he’s actually my favorite of all these linebackers,” said one scout. “He worked out well and played hard. More physical than (Patrick) Queen. Phillips is bigger, more competitive, more physical, more instinctive, more productive. Second round.” He declared a year early after playing extensively off the bench and starting 26 games the past two years. “Fifth round,” a second scout said. “I question his level of explosion. Struggles to easily open up his hips. Doesn’t show natural feel. Needs a clean path to make plays. Just enough speed. Plays high and doesn’t use his hands around blockers.” Phillips finished with 218 tackles (13 ½ for loss) and two sacks. “He won’t last to the fifth or sixth round,” a third scout said. “He started at LSU for two years. If a guy can run a defense, a guy like that is invaluable.” Phillips is from Nashville.



“Really good football player,” a scout said of Ohio State’s Malik Jefferson. “Physical.” (Photo: Zach Bolinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

10. MALIK HARRISON, Ohio State (6-2 ½, 247, 4.63, 4): Harrison is a two-year starter at WLB. “People are discounting the athlete because he’s a thumper,” one scout said. “I think he can really run. That’s where people might get it wrong. At first I thought, ‘This guy’s just a two-down ‘mike.’’ The more I watched him, I think he’s got enough juice.” Finished with 205 tackles (29 for loss), 10 sacks and 10 passes defensed. “Ran better than I think people thought,” another scout said. “Really good football player. Physical. Trouble in space breaking down. Third round.” He had a 36-inch vertical jump and is from Columbus. “We think he’s a 3-4 ‘mike’ without instincts,” said a third scout. “He looks the part. Something’s missing intangibly. He’s more flash than consistent. He can’t play ‘mike’ in a 4-3.” Added a fourth scout: “I’m not impressed with him. Too slow. Tough kid, but what you going to do with him?”

11. JUSTIN STRNAD, Wake Forest (6-3 ½, 238, 4.74, 4): Strnad is a fifth-year senior, two-year starter. “He’s interesting,” one scout said. “He didn’t play well last year. He didn’t play with any kind of physicality. Has athleticism in coverage.” Finished with 244 tackles (22 ½ for loss), eight sacks, four interceptions and three forced fumbles. “Like his instincts and range but needs to be more physical,” a second scout said. “Extremely instinctive player with good quickness. Tackles OK.” His senior season ended with a torn biceps in Game 7. “He has value at the back end (of the draft), especially with the injury,” a third scout said. “I was thinking middle rounds until I saw his body. I said, ‘No, you can’t draft this guy in the middle rounds.’ He looks like a big wide receiver.” Strnad is from Palm Harbor, Fla.

12. DAVION TAYLOR, Colorado (6-0 ½, 227, 4.44, 4): Taylor practiced football but didn’t play in high school because of his mother’s religious beliefs (Seventh-Day Adventist). He played two years at a junior college before starting at star LB in a 3-4 defense in 2018-’19. “He’s raw but, man, athletically, he’s probably as good as anybody in this group,” one scout said. “At the end of the day, he might be as good of a player as anybody other than Simmons. You’ve just got to be a little patient with him. He’s not going to start right away. Maybe you can put him on the field in sub the first year and he’ll be a really good (special) teams guy. Man, he is fast.” He’s not a quick study and just hasn’t played enough football. “You talk about a guy that’s gonna make it on special teams,” another scout said. “He can’t process. He’s never played stack (LB). He’s a JC guy. But I’ll guarantee you one thing: he’s not getting out of the fourth round.” He finished with 144 tackles (20 ½ for loss) and was an outstanding sprinter for the Buffaloes’ track team. “Better athlete than football player,” said a third scout. “He’s not very instinctive. It’s not his fault.” Taylor is from Magnolia, Miss.

13. TANNER MUSE, Clemson (6-2, 226, 4.39, 4-5): Last April, the combine scout estimated his 40 time at 4.75. In a shocker, Muse ran sub-4.4 in Indianapolis. “I didn’t see that 4.39 on tape,” said one scout. “I thought he was stiff and slow. He’s not a safety. He’s got instincts, and he’s a tough guy. He doesn’t have vision. Unathletic, stiff. Free agent. You’d have to try him at linebacker.” Muse started for three years at FS but is now viewed more as a subpackage LB. “He’s real stiff but God, he ran 4.41 (on the scout’s watch) and he’s got a square jaw,” said a second scout. “There were times where Simmons races across the field and overruns and whiffs badly, and then Muse, who is stiff as a board, squares the guy up and tackles him. How does that happen? One’s gonna go top 10 and the other one’s an afterthought.” His Wonderlic score of 26 was the highest at the position. His final stats included 237 tackles (10 ½ for loss), six interceptions and 22 passes defensed. Said a third scout: “I imagine he could go in the third now. Look at his size-speed ratio. He does play well in the box. He tackles well. I had no idea he’d run a 4.4.” Muse is from Belmont, N.C.

14. TROY DYE, Oregon (6-3 ½, 237, no 40, 4-5): Dye played 87.5 percent of the defensive snaps from 2016-’19 as a WLB. “He’s not a take-on guy at all,” said one scout. “He can pick up backs and tight ends and run with them. To his detriment, he played most of this year with a big club on his right hand (broken thumb). I like the guy a lot, but he’s just not real physical. He’s not a big person.” Finished with 397 tackles (44 for loss), 15 sacks, five interceptions, three forced fumbles and 21 passes defensed. “He’s like that nickel linebacker that comes in on passing downs,” a second scout said. “He just has a knack in coverage. He does need to get bigger and stronger.” Underwent arthroscopic knee surgery in January and couldn’t work at the combine. “He gets the ball,” said a third scout. “He plays long. There’s a little bit of finesse to his game, and it frustrates you at times. But most of the time those guys get more physical. They figure out they need to be more physical as a pro. They can’t just run around. I was thinking second or third round. Because of the injury, I could see him getting to the fourth and eventually becoming a starter and being a really good pick if he gets his head on and eats.” Dye is from Norco, Calif.

15. SHAUN BRADLEY, Temple (6-0 ½, 235, 4.49, 5): Bradley grayshirted at a junior college in 2015, backed up in ’16 and started 38 games from 2017-’19 at MLB. “He is a really good athlete,” one scout said. “Instinctive, plays hard. Just that modern-day space linebacker. He can cover a lot of ground. Liked him a lot.” His production would have been much better if he were a more reliable tackler. Finished with 256 tackles (22 for loss), three interceptions and three forced fumbles. “I did not see a 4.5 guy on tape,” a second scout said. “At all. Ever. I thought he played real lackadaisical for a guy that had a single digit (jersey number 5) at Temple. Those guys are supposed to be bad asses. I didn’t see a guy that deserved to have a single digit.” Bradley is from Mt. Holly, N.J.

OTHERS, in order: Mykal Walker, Fresno State; Cam Brown, Penn State; Kamal Martin, Minnesota; Chapelle Russell, Temple; Evan Weaver, California; Shaquille Quarterman, Miami; Francis Bernard, Utah; Khaleke Hudson, Michigan; David Woodward, Utah State; Markus Bailey, Purdue; Joe Bachie, Michigan State; Jordan Glasgow, Michigan; Dante Olson, Montana.

THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO

Shaquille Quarterman, Miami:
The first true freshman to start at MLB for the Hurricanes since Dan Morgan in 1998, Quarterman started all 52 games of his career, finishing with 356 tackles (46 ½ for loss) and 13 sacks. But, at 6-0 1/2 and 234, Quarterman needed to run faster than he did (4.76). “They loved the kid,” said one scout. “He’s Mr. Intangibles. But he’s kind of a dying breed, the two-down inside linebacker.”

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

Evan Weaver, California:
Weaver is extremely productive with ideal size (6-2, 237) and is able to run a defense. “Unbelievable instinct, positioning,” one NFC scout said shortly before the combine. “Always around the ball. He’s not going to test well. I’d say third round.” Weaver ran 4.78 with just 15 reps on the bench. The other perspective came from an AFC scout: “Awful. Everybody felt he didn’t belong at the Senior Bowl.”

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

Jim Finks:
Finks was a quarterback, assistant coach, general manager, club president and almost NFL commissioner in 1989 when Paul Tagliabue instead of him was selected by owners on the sixth ballot. Finks built winning programs in Calgary, Minnesota, Chicago and New Orleans. Revered by friend and foe alike as a man’s man. He died of lung cancer in 1994 at age 66.

QUOTE TO NOTE

NFL executive in personnel:
“I think everyone there (LSU) is going to get overdrafted because of the year they had. Not that they’re not good players. But I just think that every player that’s going in the second round would usually be a third.”
 

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McGinn’s NFL Draft Series: Scouts on top defensive backs
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This is the 36th year Bob McGinn has written an NFL Draft Series. Previously, it appeared in the Green Bay Press-Gazette (1985-’91), the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (1992-’17) and BobMcGinnFootball.com (2018-’19). Through 2014, scouts often were quoted by name. The series reluctantly adopted an all-anonymous format in 2015 at the request of most scouts.

The Wonderlic scores as reported in this series were the lowest for players, some but not all of whom had the opportunity to take the test more than once. An increasing number of NFL teams regard the lowest score as the most meaningful score. Many players receive repetitive coaching on the Wonderlic before taking the test at the combine, and thus many teams consider second scores with skepticism and often view them as misleading. Also, some players never get the chance to retest.


This is the eighth of a nine-part series. Today: defensive backs. You can find linebackers here, edge rushers here, defensive linemen here, quarterbacks here, running backs here, offensive linemen here and wide receivers and tight ends here.

Florida’s C.J. Henderson and LSU’s Grant Delpit are regarded by personnel men as the second-best players in the draft at their positions, a pair of third-year juniors who shared berths on the first team All-Southeastern Conference squad last season.

They share something else, too, and it’s not the least bit pleasing to those decision-makers who will decide their landing spots beginning Thursday night. Put simply, Henderson was a poor tackler from his cornerback position and Delpit was an even worse one as a safety. For all the emphasis on speed and scoring and space, the core of defensive football remains toughness, intimidation and getting people down.
When players, especially highly-rated ones such as Henderson and Delpit, fail in college to live up to the physical standards of a future NFL player, the NFL scouting fraternity reacts with equal parts disgust and dismay.

“Henderson can cover,” said one executive in personnel. “He also signed a non-aggression pact with the enemy. He doesn’t even make a minimum effort to tackle. I don’t know how a guy can sit in there on Sunday afternoon and watch film with his teammates. He’s got more talent in his little finger than most of us do in our whole body. Against the run, he gets out of the way. The guy doesn’t force anything.”
The size and workout numbers of Henderson and cornerback Justin Gilbert, the eighth player picked in 2014, were remarkably similar. Henderson (6-0 ½, 204, 4.37) had a 37 ½-vertical jump, a 10-7 broad jump and 20 reps on the bench press. Gilbert (6-0, 200, 4.36) had a vert of 35 ½, a broad jump of 10-6 and 20 reps on the bench.

Gilbert, from Oklahoma State, lasted two seasons with Cleveland and another with Pittsburgh. His three career stars mark him as an all-time bust. Like Henderson, he was soft against the run.

“He’s probably the most talented guy in the (cornerback) group but he doesn’t play hard,” said another scout. “He could be the kid from Oklahoma State that went to Cleveland if he messes around … He misses a lot of tackles. He’s everything you want. He just doesn’t compete. He doesn’t tackle. Everybody you talk to at Florida says he’s a great kid — he’s this, he’s that, loves football. Put the film on and you just don’t see it.”

Can a soft collegian be shamed into becoming a more rugged player in the pros?

“If you get the right type of locker room,” one scout replied. “The film doesn’t lie. In the NFL, guys call out guys more than they do in college. Right now, he’s the big dog in college. I don’t care how good he is, when he comes up here he’s not going to be the best player in the room, so guys will call him out. Even offensive players will call defensive players out. He’s shown enough on film that he’s not a coward. I just don’t think they necessarily made him do it.”

With resignation heavy in his voice, an AFC scout said, “I’m a C.J. Henderson guy, as ugly as it gets.” An executive in personnel for another AFC team said Henderson “wasn’t a coward” before adding, “The first game he turned it (contact) down. They (Florida coaches) had a little conversation with him and he improved drastically.”

Said a third AFC scout: “…He’s not going to take the ball away, but he’s a good cover guy. Shit, he’s 6-1 and ran 4.3 something.”
At the combine, Henderson pointed out that an ankle injury affected him. “Coming off of it Week 3 I was dealing with it the rest of the season,” he said. “But I still went out and played and competed. I have a passion for the game, and I’m a good tackler as well. That’s not being said a lot.”

Henderson injured his left ankle in Game 2, sat out the next three games, played seven more and then elected to sit out the Orange Bowl.
“He turns things down,” said an NFL scout under the age of 35. “I think he was playing not to get hurt this year, honestly. Guys do that more than you think. Nowadays, kids are soft.”

Like Henderson, Delpit was a a four-star recruit, and he moved into the lineup as a freshman at a safety position left vacant by the departure of Jamal Adams. The Jets used the sixth pick of the 2017 draft on Adams (5-11 ½, 213, 4.45), and he’s already made the Pro Bowl twice as a wicked force in and around the line of scrimmage.

“But Delpit is a totally different player than Jamal Adams,” one executive said. “Adams was an excellent box guy but couldn’t cover. He was physical. This guy can cover but he has a tackling problem.”

Last season, Delpit won the Jim Thorpe Award as the nation’s top defensive back. An AFC personnel man remains mystified that he did.
“Jim Thorpe rolled over in his grave in Pennsylvania when Delpit won that award,” the scout said. “Forty-four missed tackles in three years. The name of the position comes because you’re the safety net. You’re the one that has to save the touchdown … and they pump him up in Baton Rouge. They sing his praise. He’s kind of like a movie star, he’s got such a presence. He’s in for a rude awakening.”

How could a player with his size (6-2 ½, 213) and reputation manage to miss that many tackles?

“He’s not an athlete so he can’t break down,” an executive said. “That’s why he misses. It’s not because he’s so aggressive. I’m sure his coaches get on him. He just can’t do it. I know he’s got the hype, I know he’s at LSU. It’s a confusing one for me. I haven’t seen a guy miss so many tackles as this guy.”

Two personnel people pointed out that Delpit did tackle better in 2018 than in 2019. “I think too many people were in his ear,” said an AFC personnel man. “He missed tackles a bunch. He’ll be a good player because he’s smart, tough. But I wouldn’t take him in the first (round) and he’s not going in the first, either.”

After calling Delpit “the most overrated guy in the draft,” an executive paused to reconsider and then said, “Yeah, OK. I don’t think he’ll be a bust. I just don’t think he’s special.”

Delpit hurt an ankle in Game 8 but kept playing until the decision was made to keep him out of Game 11. He returned the next week, started through the national championship run and then opted not to go at the combine.

“I played the whole season or pretty much half the season with a high-ankle sprain,” Delpit said in Indianapolis. “The ankle had a lot to do with it (poor tackling). I got it fixed toward the end of the season. It’s all about the approach and not trying to do too much. Just get them on the ground. It’s part of football, and I know I can do it. I’ve been doing it my whole life.”

Undoubtedly, Delpit has been asked by dozens of NFL personnel to explain why his tackling was abominable. The injury card usually doesn’t carry much in the pro game.

“Nobody gives a shit,” said one scout. “If you take your ass out there you’ve got to play. That’s just what it is.”

My poll of 17 personnel people asked them to rank the top six cornerbacks and the top five safeties. A first-place vote was worth either 6 points (for corners) or 5 points (for safeties), and so on.

Jeff Okudah led the way at cornerback with 99 points and 14 first-place votes. He was followed by Henderson (81, two), Trevon Diggs (34), Jaylon Johnson (30), Kristian Fulton (29), Jeff Gladney (23), A.J. Terrell (22), Noah Igbinoghene (13 ½), Damon Arnette (12 ½), Reggie Robinson (six, one), Bryce Hall (five) and Javaris Davis (two).

“There’s no Jalen Ramsey or Darrelle Revis in this group,” one executive said. “But there’s starting-caliber players. There’s six or seven.”
Xavier McKinney was the leading vote-getter at safety with 64 points and nine firsts. He was followed by Delpit (51, three), Antoine Winfield (36), Kyle Dugger (27, two), Ashtyn Davis (22, one), Jeremy Chinn (21, one), Julian Blackmon (11), Brandon Jones (six), K’Von Wallace (six), Daniel Thomas (five, one), Jordan Fuller (two), J.R. Reed (two), Antoine Brooks (one) and Chris Miller (one).

“It’s not good overall,” one personnel man said of the safety class. “McKinney could go, and then it could be a long time before another one goes.”
RANKING THE DEFENSIVE BACKS


“This guy’s better than Denzel Ward,” one scout said about Jeff Okudah. (AP Photo/Jay LaPrete, File)

CORNERBACKS

1. JEFF OKUDAH, Ohio State (6-1, 205, 4.47, 1):
Okudah played sparingly in 2017, served as the No. 3 CB in ’18 and started at LC in ’19. “His feet for a guy that big are insanely good,” said one scout. “This guy’s better than Denzel Ward. He’s bigger. That’s the big key. He’s not as flat-out fast as Denzel but he plays faster than what he ran. If you’re going to nitpick he hasn’t taken the ball away a ton. If I’m going to defend him I’ll say he hasn’t been challenged enough to have big interception numbers. The character is awesome. This kid has the swagger and awesome mental toughness to play corner. You’ve got to have some asshole in you to play corner just in believing in yourself to the point of arrogance almost. I don’t think this kid is arrogant but he has the necessary level of self-confidence to be a great corner. I don’t like to use the term ‘can’t miss’ because there’s way too many variables, but he’s pretty can’t miss.” Okudah finished with 88 tackles, three picks and 21 passes defensed. “He’s just efficient,” another scout said. “He’ll come up and hit you in run support. There’s really not any holes in his game. He has Pro Bowl talent.” Had the best vertical jump (41 inches), broad jump (11-3), wingspan (78 5/8) and percentage of body fat (4.3%) among the top 15 corners. Also scored 30 on the 12-minute, 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “He’s a Joe Haden-type player but with more length,” said a third scout. “He’s going to get drafted higher than his true talent. He’ll be a 10-year player. He doesn’t have a lot of ball production and he is a high penalty guy for his career. There is a little bit of a balance issue that sort of gives me pause. He plays hard.” Okudah is from Grand Prairie, Texas. “Yeah, he jumped out of the gym, but he didn’t run (as fast) as people said he would,” a fourth scout said. “He’s extremely duck-footed. He’s kind of stiff in that regard. He’s a tick off in instincts. He’s a little bit wide-based in his transition if you’re going to start nitpicking. I don’t see him in that (great) realm. (Marshon) Lattimore’s a better player. He’s got one year starting. He doesn’t have a lot of experience.”

2. C.J. HENDERSON, Florida (6-0 ½, 204, 4.37, 1): Henderson started 27 of 33 games over three seasons. “You talk about extremely explosive, extremely fast, change of direction, ball skills,” said one scout. “Just an excellent athlete. Has some lapses when he’s in man coverage, but when he’s dialed in in man, he’s super talented. The one thing I questioned was ball-skill finish. But he has rare closing speed.” He failed to intercept a pass in 2019 after picking six in 2017-’18. “Probably a better athlete and he’s faster than Okudah,” said a second scout. “The dropoff between him and Okudah is physicality. He has the size to match up. He can play press, he can play from depth. He’s not stressed by any kind of vertical routes. He’s not a great tackler.” He finished with 93 tackles (eight for loss) and 28 passes defensed. “You couldn’t create a better-looking guy, but he gets beat every tape down the field,” said a third scout. “He leaves you talking to yourself.” Henderson posted a Wonderlic score of 23 and is from Miami. “Just in pure coverage Henderson is better than everybody in the draft,” said a fourth scout. “Talent-wise, height-weight-speed, strength, he’s everything you want. He’s smart. He just doesn’t compete to the film.”

3. JAYLON JOHNSON, Utah (6-0, 193, 4.51, 1-2): Johnson is a third-year junior, two-year starter at LC. “Good man press corner,” said one scout. “Little bit less effective in off. Has size and length. Needs to get a little bit stronger. He’s a little bit lean. He had a shoulder earlier in the year so his tackling was off. I think he’s faster than he ran. I could see him at the end of the first.” Johnson underwent surgery in March for a torn labrum after being injured in September. It was his third shoulder operation. “Other than the shoulder, he’s clean,” a second scout said. “His game’s not strength. It’s his coverage. I think the dude can really cover. He doesn’t show lack of willingness or any inconsistency as a tackler.” He finished with 102 tackles, seven picks and 28 passes defensed. “He’s a stiff player that tends to play high,” a third scout said. “He’s out of balance at the top of routes. When he’s playing off he has dirty eyes. Average to below tackler. He does not hunt the ball. He lacks change of direction when playing off. Good ball production. Does a nice job when matched up with large receivers. He’ll go in the first or second. Would I take him there? No.” Johnson posted a Wonderlic of 21 and is from Fresno, Calif.

4. TREVON DIGGS, Alabama (6-1 ½, 205, no 40, 1-2): Returned for his senior season after missing the last nine games of 2018 because of foot surgery. ”He’s a prototype man-press corner,” said one scout. “He has things you can’t teach: size, length (position-best 32 ¾ arms) and he can run. Right away he helps you getting his hands on guys early in the down in like a Seattle kind of scheme. You want him in the receiver’s face getting his hands on him early. He has a lot of upside.” Other scouts aren’t so sure his speed is adequate. He chose not to run at the combine. “Some people say he’s a 4.55 guy, but I think he’s a 4.65 guy,” a second scout said. “This kid has great, great ball skills. Great body control. Things that worry me, you don’t have a verified speed and you see him grabbing when he doesn’t need to grab.” His body fat of 10.2% was the second-highest of the top 10 corners. “I don’t think he’s lifted a finger since he’s been there,” said a third scout. “It shows up on the field. He plays really lazy and loose. Gives up a lot of big plays because he doesn’t focus. … I think he’s had his foot in the NFL since his brother (Stefon) got in.” Diggs started 19 of 46 games, finishing with 68 tackles, four picks and 21 passes defensed. “Run support? You can forget it,” a fourth scout said. “He’s one of those guys who finds every way out to get out of a tackle. He gets beat up on blocks. Weak tackler. In off cover, you don’t see any quick twitch. No mirror (ability). He didn’t run well. He was consistently beat.” Diggs posted a Wonderlic score of 15 and is from Gaithersburg, Md.



A.J. Terrell is “young and he’s big and he’s fast so somebody will take a chance on him,” a scout says. Rich Barnes-USA TODAY Sports

5. A.J. TERRELL, Clemson (6-1, 194, 4.40, 1-2): A third-year junior, Terrell “looks the part,” said one scout. “You’re OK with him until the LSU game. I thought that game, in and of itself, would have kept him in school. He got twisted and turned and lost. For a good player, it was an embarrassing performance. But he’s young and he’s big and he’s fast, so somebody will take a chance on him.” His 40 time ranked second behind Henderson among the top 15 corners. “I don’t mind him,” said another scout. “He lacks body control. He’s always on the ground, always struggling. He falls down a lot.” He appeared to be the guilty party on TD passes to LSU’s Ja’Marr Chase covering 52, 56 and 14 yards. “It’s not the LSU game that killed it for me,” said a third scout. “That No. 1 from LSU (Chase) kicked everybody’s ass. He’s probably the second most talented guy behind Henderson but doesn’t play hard and misses tackles. At the same time, you see a guy that’s big and fast and can cover. As good of an athlete as he is, he does have some stiffness and he plays a little too high at times.” Terrell posted a Wonderlic of 10 and is from Atlanta.

6. JEFF GLADNEY, TCU (5-10, 191, 4.48, 1-2): Gladney is the shortest of the top 12 players at the position, “but he does have length (31 7/8 arms),” one scout said. “He’s really good. Feisty. He’ll come up in run support. What holds me back is you do see the lack of height show up against bigger targets. Second round.” Gladney blew out his knee in the playoffs of his senior high school season in New Boston, Texas. He underwent meniscus surgery in March not long after the combine. “I do like him,” said a second scout. “He’s 5102 (5-10 ¼). That’s big enough in today’s football. He’s better than (Damon) Arnette. He’s got explosion, quickness, ball skills. You’d like to see more interceptions. His movement skills are pretty good.” Gladney posted a Wonderlic of 16 and started 42 of 50 games, finishing with 146 tackles, five picks and 43 passes defensed. “He’s little, but he’s a starting nickel,” a third scout said. Added a fourth scout: “There’s a lot of stuff that he’s not but he’s a good football player. His ceiling is not as high as Henderson or Okudah, but his floor is higher than Henderson’s. Not great speed.”

7. KRISTIAN FULTON, LSU (5-11 ½, 197, 4.47, 1-2): Fulton was suspended for the 2017 season by the NCAA for using another person’s urine for a drug test. Following a 19-month battle, he was reinstated shortly before the ’18 season and went on to start two seasons at LC. “Good, solid player,” said one scout. “Is he great? Absolutely not. He’s got 30-inch (30 5/8) arms. He panics a little bit. He’s got more penalties than interceptions. He makes some plays downfield but he gives up some, too.” Finished with 65 tackles, two picks and 25 passes defensed. “Before the season started people talked about him as a top-15 pick,” said another scout. “I don’t see it. Good man cover guy. The issue is physicality, tackling. He’s similar to Henderson there. They’re both not good. I would say Henderson is better but neither is a good tackler.” Fulton posted a Wonderlic of 15 and is from New Orleans. “May not have the top top-end (speed) but he knows how to play,” said a third scout. “Crafty. Competitive.”

8. NOAH IGBINOGHENE, Auburn (5-10 ½, 197, 4.51, 1-2): Igbinoghene is a third-year junior, and a two-year starter at RC. “I really like Noah,” said one scout. “He’s going to get beat up a little bit because he’s not natural judging the ball in the air, but that kid can tackle and he can play some man to man. But with the ball in the air he’s a little shaky. He showed up in the Bama game. He’s not your lead guy. He’s a No. 2 corner.” He posted a 40-inch vertical jump. “I’m not sure he couldn’t play corner or safety and do both well,” a second scout said. “He’s fast. He’s strong. He’s tough. He’s mean. He didn’t run as fast as we thought he was going to. He ran 4.5, which isn’t terrible. He’s not a takeaway guy, but he’s a pretty neat package. At worst, second round.” He finished with 92 tackles, one pick and 19 passes defensed. He posted a Wonderlic of 22 and was a backup WR until spring ball in 2018. “He has upside because he has limited time at corner,” a third scout said. “He got better as the season went on. He’s willing in run support, which is surprising as a former receiver. Great kid. He played against top-level guys. You’re just betting on the come.” He’s from Trussville, Ala.

9. DAMON ARNETTE, Ohio State (5-11 ½, 195, 4.51, 2): A three-year starter at RC after playing extensively as a redshirt freshman in 2016, Arnette “can play on the perimeter and in the slot,” said one scout. “He is very physical. Maybe not as fast and athletically gifted as some other guys. Instinctive and tough. Man or zone fit. The concern with him is some off-the-field stuff.” An extremely emotional player with what one scout described as a “knucklehead mentality.” Said a third scout: “He’s as good of a leader as they have on the team. He’s an edge guy. If I’m going to a junkyard I want this guy with me. His program character is outstanding. His off-field stuff is a concern.” Arnette finished with 140 tackles, five picks and 27 passes defensed. “If you’re taking character out of it, I would love to have him in the third,” another scout said. “He’s a nickel. He’s twitchy. His short-area quickness and being able to stick his foot in the ground and close on routes is what makes him special. He’s long speed’s not great to play outside. Inside, he’s everything you want as a nickel.” From Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

10. BRYCE HALL, Virginia (6-1, 202, no 40, 2-3): Hall arrived in Charlottesville as a WR but was quickly switched to CB. He started 39 of 44 games over four years. “I think he’ll be a super value pick,” said one scout. “You get him in the third or fourth and he’s a potential starter outside. He’s not a shutdown No. 1 but I trusted his game more than Gladney, Terrell and Diggs. He’s coming off a broken ankle.” Hall underwent surgery after suffering the major injury in Game 6. “Kind of a wild card,” a second scout said. “You liked his junior tape. He got his hands on a ton of balls. Might have to be a safety.” He finished with 154 tackles (9 ½ for loss), five picks and 44 passes defensed and posted a Wonderlic of 27. “I don’t know how he’s going to come back from that injury, but he does have starter traits,” a third scout said. “I thought his speed was average. You like how big he is. If the smarts check out I could see him being a safety. Against little quick, fast dudes, I thought he struggled. He can match up against big, physical receivers, but I don’t think he’s very loose.” Hall is from Harrisburg, Pa.

11. REGGIE ROBINSON, Tulsa (6-1, 202, 4.49, 3): Robinson blossomed as a senior. “He’s big-time,” said one scout. “He’s the entire package. They played Oklahoma State, and Tylan Wallace will be a first-rounder next year. This guy covered him. I saw him play Memphis, which could have a first-rounder next year in (Damonte) Coxie and SMU, which had (good) receivers. He always is in the right spot at the right time, in zone and man. To me, this is what you want in a corner. He comes up and he hits people.” He led the position on the Wonderlic with 32 and tied for the lead in the bench press (22). He had a vertical jump of 36, broad jump of 11-0. “He’s just scratching the surface,” another scout said. “He had a really good week at the Senior Bowl. I don’t know if I want to draft him and start him next year but Year 2 you could really have something.” A four-year starter, he finished with 132 tackles, four picks and 38 passes defensed. “He’s probably draftable – but by another team,” an unimpressed scout said. Robinson is from Cleburne, Texas.

12. CAMERON DANTZLER, Mississippi State (6-2, 188, 4.60, 3): Dantzler is the tallest and slowest prospect among the top 25 corners. “I liked him a lot but he ran terrible,” one scout said. “On tape, really good instincts, short-area quickness, loose athlete, ball skills. Competes for the ball. Good in run support.” A fourth-year junior, Dantzler redshirted in 2016 before starting 22 of 35 games. “Top of the second round before he ran,” another scout said. “He’s gone from there. Probably middle of the third day now. Although wasn’t Richard Sherman a fifth-rounder? With his height, you don’t have to run as fast as some of the others. You still have coverage.” Two other problems: short arms (30 5/8) and 11.4% body fat, the highest among the top 12 corners. He was removed from one team’s draft board because of makeup concerns. “He’s a good player,” said a third scout. “My biggest problem with him is his body type. He’s really skinny so he’ll have durability issues. I’m worried about the body more than anything.” Dantzler is from Hammond, La.

OTHERS, in order: Amik Robertson, Louisiana Tech; Troy Pride, Notre Dame; Javaris Davis, Auburn; Michael Ojemudia, Iowa; John Reid, Penn State; L’Jarius Sneed, Louisiana Tech; Kindle Vildor, Georgia Southern; Darnay Holmes, UCLA; Josiah Scott, Michigan State; Bopete Keyes, Tulane; Dane Jackson, Pitt; Madre Harper, Southern Illinois; Nevelle Clark, Central Florida; Harrison Hand, Temple; Lavert Hill, Michigan; Essang Bassey, Wake Forest; Zane Lewis, Air Force; A.J. Green, Oklahoma State; Lamar Jackson, Nebraska.

SAFETIES


“If you can play safety and run the show for (Nick) Saban, you’re a damn good football player. Xavier McKinney was asked to do a lot.”(Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

1. XAVIER McKINNEY, Alabama (6-0 ½, 201, 4.65, 1-2): McKinney is possibly the most polarizing player in the secondary. “He didn’t run a great 40, but he’s a good football player, man,” said one scout. “If he can play safety and run the show for (Nick) Saban, you’re a damn good football player. He was asked to do a lot.” McKinney is a third-year junior and two-year starter. “Everybody says how smart he is,” said another scout. “He didn’t do a great job on the interview. Everybody says he calls it, he runs the show for them on the back end. To me, it looks like he’s looking at No. 21 (Jared Mayden) asking him what he’s supposed to do. He’s looking to other people … I do think he plays faster than he timed. Great players make plays. This kid doesn’t.” In addition to the poor 40, he posted average testing numbers. “There’s no bust there,” a third scout said. “He’s a really good player. He’s a winner. He’s a leader. He can be versatile. I don’t think he has an elite trait except probably his instincts.” He scored 11 on the Wonderlic and finished with 176 tackles (13 for loss), six sacks, five forced fumbles, five picks and 20 passes defenses. “That’s all he is is a starter,” said a fourth scout. “He’ll be exposed. He won’t be able to run. Nice kid. Looks like he’s got pretty good hands. He’ll be in a good position, but speed will be his Achilles.” He’s from Roswell, Ga. “Late in the year he missed a hell of a lot more tackles than he made,” a fifth scout said. “This guy is not a first-round player. I don’t see a ballhawk. I don’t see a hammer. I don’t see a guy who can cover the field. He’s a good cover guy against tight ends and backs, not great. But I don’t think he can cover wide receivers.” Added a sixth scout: “They’ve had some other guys come out of there but he’s probably the most complete package compared to Ha Ha (Clinton-Dix), Ronnie Harrison, Landon Collins. He’s better than all those guys. He’s more well-rounded. I’ll take that one to court.”

2. KYLE DUGGER, Lenoir-Rhyne (6-1, 217, 4.48, 2): Dugger didn’t start until his senior year in high school. His only offer was from NCAA Division II Lenoir-Rhyne, which is located in Hickory, N.C. “That’s in-between App State and Charlotte,” said one scout. “I like him. He’s tough and he can tackle. Technique-wise, he’s got a long ways to go because of where he played.” Started 42 games over six years, redshirting in 2014 and receiving a medical redshirt (meniscus) in ’16. “He has everything athletically that you want,” another scout said. “At the Senior Bowl, against very good competition, he showed up. For a small-school kid he knew exactly what they were doing. He’s just a great kid. I’d take him in the first round. He does miss tackles but it’s not because of a lack of want-to.” Dugger finished with 237 tackles (6 ½ for loss), 10 picks and 36 passes defensed. “He’s like (Isaiah) Simmons and (Jeremy) Chinn,” a third scout said. “Can play a lot of different spots. He can really run. It’s going to be a little bit of a transition coming from Division II, but he’s got all the tools.” He led the safeties in vertical jump (42), wingspan (78 ½), arm length (32 7/8), hand size (10 3/8) and body fat (4.0%) and scored 23 on the Wonderlic. “He’s real,” a fourth scout said. “He’s a fearless tackler. He’s got range. Makes plays all over the field. Man-to-man coverage skills. He may go in the second.” Dugger is from Decatur, Ga.

3. ANTOINE WINFIELD, Minnesota (5-9, 203, 4.44. 2-3): His father, Antoine, was voted to one Pro Bowl (2008) as a 14-year CB for the Bills and Vikings. “Love him – he’s just little,” said one scout. “He’s a starter. His interview … you talk about knock it out of the park. Omigosh. He might be one of the best interviews ever. The dad was a great player, and I don’t use great very often. He’s a hitter, too.” Winfield was limited to four games in 2017 because of a hamstring injury and four games in ’18 because of a Lisfranc tear. The medical is a concern for some teams. “That (manning the slot) is what makes him such a good player,” another scout said. “He’s so versatile. He ran well. You didn’t see a lot of elite burst and explosion but he was always there because he’s so heady. He’s a really good tackler. He’s not a very big guy and he’s got shorter arms (30 1/8). But he had such a good feel when he needed to cut guys, when he needed to wrap. Instinctive guys like that are hard to find. I just wanted to keep watching more of him.” He finished with 177 tackles (seven for loss), four sacks, nine picks (seven in ’19) and 15 passes defensed. He posted a Wonderlic of 20. “I wanted to kill him, but I can’t,” a third scout said. “He just earns your trust. This kid hits hard. Not as hard (as his father), but pretty close. Second round.” From Houston.

4. GRANT DELPIT , LSU (6-2 ½, 213, no 40, 2-3): Delpit declared a year early after starting all three seasons. “He’s probably the best (safety),” said one scout. “This guy is too big and fast, and has too good cover skills. He can be a tight-end eraser, which everybody’s looking for. He’s first-round worthy.” His best season was 2018, and he finished his career with 199 total tackles (17 ½ for loss), seven sacks, eight interceptions and 32 passes defensed. “I do like him,” a second scout said. “I wish Delpit played more effectively tackling the ball carrier this year. I’ve seen him do it better in past years. I think he’s a gifted guy athletically. I think he’s going to be a starter early.” He posted 27 on the Wonderlic. “I think he can cover tight ends,” a third scout said. “He’s a big guy. He can do a lot of good things, but I’m not a big fan. He played free safety most of the time, but I wouldn’t play him at free because he can’t tackle. He made all the tackles where the guy is coming to him. Anyone can make those. But when he had to tackle people in space he had a hard time. I think he has good coaches. They have good (defensive backs) come out every year. I don’t think it’s coaching. The kid has to do it. Does he have a skill set to do it? Yes, but I don’t know if he will.” Delpit is from Houston.


“I thought he was the second-best safety,” a scout said about Cal’s Ashtyn Davis. “He can frigging run if you watch the film.” (Photo by Matt Cohen/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)

5. ASHTYN DAVIS, California (6-1, 202, no 40, 3): A three-year starter at FS with a unique story. “He was on the (Cal) track team (as a hurdler) and had played football in high school,” one scout said. “Showed up at the football office and walked on. He said, ‘I can do this.’ This dude is legit fast, tough. I thought he was the second-best safety. He can frigging run if you watch the film. I thought he was a do-it-all safety. He’s a wild card. You get this guy in the second round, he looks like he’ll be a stud.” Davis finished with 171 tackles, seven picks and 19 passes defensed and underwent groin surgery on Dec. 18. He was cleared to work at the combine; did position drills but didn’t run. “Has a little ruggedness to him,” a scout said. “Played most of the season with the groin and a shoulder. He has that true deep post range.” He played for a tiny high school in Santa Cruz, Calif. “He was the best safety that I saw for special teams,” an NFL special-teams coordinator said. “This thing is screwing him up because people can’t medical check him. You talk about a guy that would run down the field and run through a blocker and blow people up … this guy did it.” He scored 25 on the Wonderlic. “He’s straight-line fast,” a third scout said. “He’s a track guy. He is really smart; he has that going for him. He gets people on the same page. He can find the ball. But I think he’s stiff. He’s on the ground. He does not cover well. I think he’ll be able to cover tight ends but whenever you blitz your nickel he’ll struggle covering the No. 2 receiver or the slot receiver. Lot of missed tackles in space.” Davis moved from CB to safety in 2017. “You’ll hear about him as an athlete, but I don’t like him,” said a fourth scout. “He’s a former track guy, and he plays like a track guy. Not very instinctive. You don’t see the athletic transfer to being a football player.”

6. JEREMY CHINN, Southern Illinois (6-3, 222, 4.41, 3): Chinn is a four-year starter at SS. “This guy is like (Isaiah) Simmons,” said one scout. “If I was a defensive coordinator I would want this guy because he could help me a lot. I watched him last year against Ole Miss as he covered A.J. Brown and DK Metcalf. He covered Metcalf with no problem, and he had a great breakup on an over route to Brown. I don’t like small-school guys, but when I can see them play against a Southeastern Conference school that’s what sold me.” Had the highest Wonderlic (30) and best broad jump (11-6) of the safeties. “He’s very similar to Isaiah Simmons,” said another scout. “Do you want Simmons at No. 4 or Jeremy Chinn at the top of the second? He’s a beautiful-looking kid. Has all the test measurables. Good player on tape. Can play man coverage. He played against A.J. Brown and did a really good job. He’s a great kid, too.” Finished with 243 tackles (five for loss), 13 picks and 31 passes defensed. “Don’t believe the hype,” an NFL special-teams coordinator said. “He is a pretty looking guy but you don’t see any of that on tape. He’s not really a contact player. He’s one of the guys who looks good getting off the bus. Usually special teams are a pretty good indicator (of play on defense). Sometimes not because they don’t care. Usually guys that ball, ball. They don’t care if it’s fourth down or first down.” Also had a 41-inch vertical jump and 30 reps on the bench. “He’s OK,” a third scout said. “Not a strong tackler. One thing he can do is run. Needs better control in space. Late reactor. Can he be a corner? I’m not sure.” Chinn is from Fishers, Ind., and has suffered three major injuries (two shoulders, one foot) since 2016.

7. JULIAN BLACKMON, Utah (5-11 ½, 187, no 40, 3-5): Blackmon underwent reconstructive knee surgery in December. “He’s kind of getting forgotten in this class because he’s been the hurt guy,” one scout said. “Those ACL guys usually go fourth or fifth round. Someone will try to stash him for a year. He can legitimately play corner and safety. I thought he was a Day 2 corner. He transitioned to safety, and it looked like he had been there a long time.” He shifted from CB to safety in 2019 when the Utes needed someone to replace Marquise Blair. “Talent-wise, he’s a starter,” a second scout said. “He got exposed a little bit (at corner) from a speed standpoint. They asked him to move to safety and he gained 20 pounds. Like a great teammate, he embraced the move. It was probably the best thing he could have ever done. He helped his career. He’s one of the better safeties. He was an excellent tackler, which wasn’t a strong point when he was playing corner. He was really good in coverage.” Blackmon finished with 158 tackles, nine picks and 29 passes defensed. “I didn’t think he was very good at all,” a third scout said. “Aware and plays with effort, but not a good athlete, lacks play speed, average tackler.” Blackmon posted a Wonderlic of 22 and is from Layton, Utah.

8. TERRELL BURGESS, Utah (5-11 ½, 202, 4.42, 3-4): Burgess played sparingly as a CB and WR in 2016, functioned as the nickel back in 2017-’18 and started at safety in ’19. “I had no idea he’d run a 4.4,” said one scout. “He looked like a good free agent. He’ll go in the fourth or fifth now.” He started 17 of 45 games, finishing with 116 tackles (nine for loss), one pick and 10 passes defensed. “He’s interesting,” another scout said. “He’s not in the top three rounds. He’s down the line because of his size and he’s always gonna have short arms (29 ½). Best thing he does is play with smarts and toughness. Good tackler, really good hands.” Arms were the shortest of the top 12 safeties. “He could legitimately play safety, but he also has starting nickel ability,” said a third scout. “I think he has more man cover ability than (K’Von) Wallace. He’s a really good little player. There’s a ton of love for him in the league. Maybe third round. He’s not getting out of the fourth.” Burgess posted a Wonderlic of 17 and is from San Marcos, Calif.

OTHERS, in order: K’Von Wallace, Clemson; Brandon Jones, Texas; J.R. Reed, Georgia; Daniel Thomas, Auburn; Kenny Robinson, ex-West Virginia (XFL); Alohi Gilman, Notre Dame; Chris Miller, Baylor; Antoine Brooks, Maryland; Josh Metellus, Michigan; Jordan Fuller, Ohio State; Geno Stone, Iowa; Brian Cole, Mississippi State; Jared Mayden, Alabama; Myles Dorn, North Carolina; Jalen Elliott, Notre Dame; Marc-Antoine Dequoy, Universite De Montreal.0
THE SKINNY

UNSUNG HERO

John Reid, CB, Penn State:
A three-year starter with ball production (seven picks, 37 passes defensed) and modest return ability, Reid lacks size (5-10 ½, 187) but ran 4.46 and had the fastest short shuttle (3.96) at the position. He played outside in base, inside in nickel. “He has great quickness – you can hang your hat on that,” one scout said.

SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

Amik Robertson, CB, Louisiana Tech:
A three-year starter with exceptional production (14 picks, 48 passes defensed), Robertson declared a year early. But he’s just 5-8 ½, 187 and didn’t run at the combine. “One of my favorite players in the whole draft,” said one scout. “He went up against Collin Johnson (of Texas, who is 6-5 ½, 222) and fought him the whole game. Like Terrell Buckley, if he’s coming through town he’s gonna get shot but he’s gonna do some damage himself.”

SCOUT TO REMEMBER

Elbert Dubenion:
He began his scouting career with the Bills in 1969. After a decade in Buffalo, he scouted for the Dolphins (served as their assistant director of player personnel in the mid-1980s), returned to the Bills’ staff and then retired in 2000 after about 13 years in the Falcons’ scouting department. Known as “Dubie” in scouting circles, he came out of tiny Bluffton College in Ohio to forge a record-setting career as a wide receiver for the Bills in the 1960s. “He always made a point of checking out the players from the small schools because he was from a small school, too,” his daughter, Carolyn, told the Buffalo News. He died from Parkinson’s disease on Dec. 26 at age 86.
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NFL executive in personnel:
“First of all, you have to think, can this guy play in multiple schemes? If we have a turnover in this staff, is this guy going to be able to play for us in three years? Scouts have to think long term and coaches think immediately: ‘How quickly can I get this guy up to speed and on the field?’”
 

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“You couldn’t create a better-looking guy, but he gets beat every tape down the field,” said a third scout. “He leaves you talking to yourself.”

This was literally my exact reaction after watching Henderson, he's probably the most physically gifted CB in the class but every god damn game he's getting beat for a 40 yard play downfield, it's ridiculous.

At the end of the day there aren't any CB's worth taking at 17 after Okudah/Henderson and anybody who says otherwise is just trying to force it out of need. There's a large group of guys that are all late 1st to mid 2nd types but they all have warts and there is no way anybody can convince me that Diggs/Johnson/Terrell/Gladney/Fulton/whoever is a better prospect than a Justin Jefferson, Kenneth Murray, Xavier McKinney, etc.
 

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“You couldn’t create a better-looking guy, but he gets beat every tape down the field,” said a third scout. “He leaves you talking to yourself.”

This was literally my exact reaction after watching Henderson, he's probably the most physically gifted CB in the class but every god damn game he's getting beat for a 40 yard play downfield, it's ridiculous.

At the end of the day there aren't any CB's worth taking at 17 after Okudah/Henderson and anybody who says otherwise is just trying to force it out of need. There's a large group of guys that are all late 1st to mid 2nd types but they all have warts and there is no way anybody can convince me that Diggs/Johnson/Terrell/Gladney/Fulton/whoever is a better prospect than a Justin Jefferson, Kenneth Murray, Xavier McKinney, etc.
Yeah the interesting thing with Henderson is he absolutely will shut guys down. QB's have done really bad when throwing in his direction. If you look at the completion percentages throwing in his direction it's well below 50%. But he still seems to have the lapses where he gives up the big play. It's almost like he just gets too relaxed in what he is doing and eases up a bit for some reason. On a positive note he did really good against the best WR in college football while playing LSU.
 

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Yeah the interesting thing with Henderson is he absolutely will shut guys down. QB's have done really bad when throwing in his direction. If you look at the completion percentages throwing in his direction it's well below 50%. But he still seems to have the lapses where he gives up the big play. It's almost like he just gets too relaxed in what he is doing and eases up a bit for some reason. On a positive note he did really good against the best WR in college football while playing LSU.
Yea he gets sloppy and complacent I think, perhaps you could say arrogant and lackadaisical, although against FSU he was really bad from the start. That was his last college game against a bad opponent, and he probably knew it, so perhaps he just came out complacent, either way it's not great.

He was ok against Chase relative to how guys like Terrell and Diggs looked, but he still gave up 2 TD's, one of which he was completely roasted on a pick play, and there was another downfield bomb where he clearly should've been called for PI but wasn't.
 
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