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Actually, that's exactly what discrimination is. Perhaps you are ignorant of the term's meaning.

Tax brackets are another form of discrimination; it's just a societally accepted and constitutionally unprotected one.

But yes, protecting one race's set of churches and not another's is the textbook definition of discrimination. It might be the right thing to do, but it's still discrimination.

Where it becomes racism is where you turn a blind eye (or deliberately desire, as the case may be) the unwarranted elevation of one race over another for fabricated or once real but now non existent injustices, such as to combat racism in college admissions. Since the liberals run the show on college admissions almost without exception, there is no racism in college admissions against minorities anymore. Therefore fraudulent points awarded for "diversity" has been exposed as a lie simply to mask the preference for more minorities at the expense of a colorblind, merit based system.

If meritorious minority candidates were really being turned away in favor of less qualified white candidates, then I think everyone would agree we need to change the process to combat the racism and create equal opportunity. But that's not what's happening, is it?
Al Sharpton Jr over here is misrepresenting history, forgetting the fact that non-black citizens today are guiltless in the wrongdoings of the past, and black citizens today are already the beneficiaries of a century of social programs to assist the poor and a half century of what is frankly unconstitutional legislation that we turn a blind eye towards because it was specifically designed to help them out cause we felt guilty.

Finally, we are today a more multicultural and diverse nation than pretty much any other one out there, so, while racism does exist in small circles (including some areas of law enforcement) it is NO WHERE NEAR pervasive enough to justify continued policies that elevate one race over another to fix these past wrongs.

The opportunity exists, through hard work and sacrifice, for this generation of minorities to end the cycle of poverty. Even inner city schools today are better resources than what many white people got a generation ago.

How much more until these "injustices" are finally made right? Can we write a check and be done with it?

The fact is, there are segments of black culture and the black community that are just as culpable for their place in today's society and blaming it on past oppressions is so hollow as to be completely meaningless at this point.

Some segments of racism still exist. Law enforcement has a problem with it. The criminal justice system does too.

But workplace racism in any major city? Almost entirely eradicated. Same goes for education opportunities across the public university sphere of any state. There are so many footholds already in place to pull yourself out of the cycle that I have no pity for those who are stuck in it.

The ignored but obvious fact is that single parenthood/having more children than you can afford to support is the only legitimate excuse for crippling poverty in the United States today, and such a scenario is almost completely avoidable through responsible decisions. You cannot blame whitey for that anymore.
Thanks Alex P Keaton. But if I wanted the opinion of an obnoxious self assured libertarian, I have plenty of college freshmen I could consult.
 

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In statement to The News, DeSoto board president explains why no decision has been made yet about Todd Peterman
By Ben Baby , Staff Writer

DESOTO -- One of the reigning state football champions could be looking for a new coach.

The DeSoto ISD school board Monday discussed the status of coach Todd Peterman, who led the Eagles to their first state championship in 2016. After three hours of deliberation in a closed session, the school board took no action.

According to a report from The News earlier in the day, four of the seven board trustees were leaning toward firing Peterman, with Superintendent David Harris in favor of keeping the coach.

Board president Carl Sherman Jr. declined all questions following the meeting, which ended just after 11:30 p.m.

Sherman Jr. did, however, say this in a statement to The News:

"We've received information that warrants further consideration, and we've directed the Superintendent to conduct additional due diligence right away. We will release additional information as quickly as we possibly can."

The team's unofficial chaplain, Abe Cooper, told the board and the audience he hoped race wasn't a factor regarding Peterman's status at DeSoto.

"We pray that that's not the case and he will be renewed," Cooper said.

Peterman is white. In 2015-16, 80.4 percent of DeSoto's 2,440 students identified as African-American, according to a report from the Texas Education Agency.

Peterman was promoted in 2015 after seven seasons as the team's offensive coordinator. Peterman took over after former coach Claude Mathis, who is black, took an assistant position at SMU.

DeSoto went 16-0 last season and won the Class 6A Division II state title.

Former NFL linebacker Zach Orr, a DeSoto and North Texas alumnus, indicated people were originally skeptical of Peterman's hire because of his race. He said that seems to be the reason behind the potential change.

"They act like they can't handle a white man running a predominantly black football team, which is very sad," said Orr, whose three brothers also played for DeSoto. "Me, I want what's best for the kids, our youth and our community. That's what Coach Peterman is."

Orr's father, Terry, was one of the members of the public who spoke during the open session and hoped race wasn't a factor in the current situation.

Former board member Vandous Stripling said six of the board's seven members originally voted to hire Peterman. Stripling, who served from 2010 to 2016 and is running for a vacancy, said the statement regarding the race issue doesn't fit the community.

"To make this that it's a race thing, if it would have been a race thing, we'd have never hired him," Stripling said.

Roughly 30 to 40 football players were at the meeting in support of their head coach, according to senior Xavier Newman, a Baylor signee.

"He's just been a good role model toward me and the rest of my teammates and stuff," Newman said. "Just hearing they were going to fire him and they didn't have a logical reason to fire him, it wasn't right."
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This is fucking ridiculous.
DeSoto Debacle Strangely Parallels Navasota’s 2016 Blunder
BY SCOTT MCDONALD April 25


No one outside of a small group of people may ever know why DeSoto coach Todd Peterman’s contract didn’t receive an extension at Monday night’s school board meeting.

Three hours to the south, folks in Navasota are still scratching their heads about why former coach Lee Fedora’s contract didn’t receive an extension the first time it showed up on an agenda — and that was 14 months ago.

The situation Monday in DeSoto eerily parallels what happened in Navasota in February 2016. These were two great programs, loaded with talent and great coaching, and both coming off the best seasons in school history — complete with state championships.

Fedora’s public slap in the face happened on Feb. 15, 2016, when a routine, one-year contract extension showed up on the agenda for the Board of Trustees. The board talked about it in closed session, and when they reconvened, one trustee made a motion to take action. The motion died for lack of a second.

News spread quickly. What the board figured was a small story that would get little or no mention rapidly gained traction and turned into regional and statewide news.

Board members never publicly commented on why they didn’t take it to a vote, but, oh, was there speculation.

One Navasota board member took to social media to claim the board didn’t have enough information on Fedora’s contract. However, that same group took action on two other administrators’ contracts that same evening.

Speculations went from Fedora making too much money, to having too many assistants, all the way too simply much power. Some speculated that the board was trying to send a message to the superintendent they wanted to get rid of — they ran their campaign on that premise. Others said the school district’s athletics shouldn’t overshadow academics. NISD academics were in complete disarray.

Most of the Navasota community became furious, which led to a special-called meeting on Feb. 29. The board took no public comments from the packed room, and they grilled Fedora behind closed doors. After meeting with their highly-successful coach (state titles in 2012 and 2014 and 12-1 record in 2015) they reconvened.

Fedora entered back into the room with a face redder than a flock of cardinals in a strawberry patch.

The board unanimously approved Fedora’s contract, but the damage and public humiliation had been done. He abruptly resigned two weeks later, waiting until basketball season was over so it wouldn’t take away from the athletic teams’ endeavors. He didn’t coach in 2016, and he took the A&M Consolidated job three months ago.

Peterman has only been the head coach for two years at DeSoto, taking them to a 6-6 mark his first season and then winning it all — state championship and 16-0 record — in 2016.

News that his contract may not get extended hit the folks in the town south of Dallas about an hour and a half before the meeting. People packed the room, and the board met behind closed doors a long time. When they came back, they took no action.

Now speculation has risen about the DeSoto situation, most notably a tweet from Zachary Orr, a former DeSoto star and former NFL linebacker.

He wrote: “As crazy as this might sound there are members on the school board who don’t want Peterman because he is WHITE!! Which is sickening.”

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Peterman is white while 80.4 percent of DeSoto High School is identified as African-American, according to the Texas Education Agency.

The DeSoto school board is comprised of four African-Americans and three Caucasians. Three incumbent board members — Karen Daniel, Jerry Hall and Aubrey C. Cooper — are each running for reelection, and each is contentious with three opponents apiece.

Orr’s father, Terry, spoke during the open session Monday and said he hoped race wasn’t a factor.


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Terry Orr, the father of former DeSoto football, raises issue of race in potential football coach firing.
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According to a Dallas Morning News report, Abe Cooper, who serves as the team’s unofficial chaplain, also told the board he hoped race wasn’t a factor.

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Early indications from the school board say it isn’t about race. Only time will tell. It may get leaked from a source, like an insider who’s close to the program. A booster. A small business owner.

If there’s a problem in DeSoto, the best thing the school board can do is publicly state it and move on. If there’s a personal agenda with the coach, whether it’s race or the way he coaches or deciding which players to play, then the school board members need to remove themselves. That’s not why they need to be on the school board.

Fedora and Peterman are similar in that they are highly successful with state championships on their resumes. But more importantly, they’re shapers of young men, teaching them right from wrong. Teaching them to learn from mistakes and overcome adversity. They teach their kids to be even better people/students than they are athletes.

Folks have begun rallying around Peterman in DeSoto, starting a hashtag campaign to keep him. They did the same in Navasota.

Peterman has the support of his superintendent, as did Fedora.

Fedora said he didn’t feel comfortable in the environment created, therefore he resigned. The team won just two games in 2016, and the academics have not improved.

Peterman has a choice to make on his future if the school board doesn’t make it for him. Is this an environment he’ll want to remain in after this debacle? He must think about his family.

He will be successful regardless of where he goes. Should he decide to move on, will DeSoto be attractive enough to the next prospective coach?

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I live in Navasota and yes they are regretting that decision and just like here the Desoto thing is most likely more about power than race.

But yes race is being used to rile up folks.

The funny thing is the Navasota coach was white and replaced by a black guy yet Navasota is majority white and Hispanic.

Also what was overlooked in the initial article is that black people are actually stepping up in defense of this coach.
 
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Actually, that's exactly what discrimination is. Perhaps you are ignorant of the term's meaning.

Tax brackets are another form of discrimination; it's just a societally accepted and constitutionally unprotected one.

But yes, protecting one race's set of churches and not another's is the textbook definition of discrimination. It might be the right thing to do, but it's still discrimination.

Where it becomes racism is where you turn a blind eye (or deliberately desire, as the case may be) the unwarranted elevation of one race over another for fabricated or once real but now non existent injustices, such as to combat racism in college admissions. Since the liberals run the show on college admissions almost without exception, there is no racism in college admissions against minorities anymore. Therefore fraudulent points awarded for "diversity" has been exposed as a lie simply to mask the preference for more minorities at the expense of a colorblind, merit based system.

If meritorious minority candidates were really being turned away in favor of less qualified white candidates, then I think everyone would agree we need to change the process to combat the racism and create equal opportunity. But that's not what's happening, is it?
Are you trying to claim that white students are being turned away in favor of lower qualified minorities?

Because that was just shown to be blatantly false with the UT case.
 

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Sure and part of the system is that one works their ass off so that their kid has advantages that maybe they didn't. I can certainly see the progression in my family from my grandpa who worked his whole life as a maintenance worker at a meat packing plant, to my dad not going to college and owning his own manufacturing business to where I am today.
So how do you overcome the issue of being at a disadvantage when applying for a job just because you are black vs a white person?

Many studies have shown whites prefer to higher whites simply because of the comfort level.

It not about racism per say but just inherent biases as well.

And to take that further look at how those biases affect promotions.
 
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Thanks Alex P Keaton. But if I wanted the opinion of an obnoxious self assured libertarian, I have plenty of college freshmen I could consult.
Hilarious that you'd lecture me about college freshman; your whole schtick is ripped straight from liberal university indoctrination 101.
 

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DeSoto Debacle Strangely Parallels Navasota’s 2016 Blunder
BY SCOTT MCDONALD April 25


No one outside of a small group of people may ever know why DeSoto coach Todd Peterman’s contract didn’t receive an extension at Monday night’s school board meeting.

Three hours to the south, folks in Navasota are still scratching their heads about why former coach Lee Fedora’s contract didn’t receive an extension the first time it showed up on an agenda — and that was 14 months ago.

The situation Monday in DeSoto eerily parallels what happened in Navasota in February 2016. These were two great programs, loaded with talent and great coaching, and both coming off the best seasons in school history — complete with state championships.

Fedora’s public slap in the face happened on Feb. 15, 2016, when a routine, one-year contract extension showed up on the agenda for the Board of Trustees. The board talked about it in closed session, and when they reconvened, one trustee made a motion to take action. The motion died for lack of a second.

News spread quickly. What the board figured was a small story that would get little or no mention rapidly gained traction and turned into regional and statewide news.

Board members never publicly commented on why they didn’t take it to a vote, but, oh, was there speculation.

One Navasota board member took to social media to claim the board didn’t have enough information on Fedora’s contract. However, that same group took action on two other administrators’ contracts that same evening.

Speculations went from Fedora making too much money, to having too many assistants, all the way too simply much power. Some speculated that the board was trying to send a message to the superintendent they wanted to get rid of — they ran their campaign on that premise. Others said the school district’s athletics shouldn’t overshadow academics. NISD academics were in complete disarray.

Most of the Navasota community became furious, which led to a special-called meeting on Feb. 29. The board took no public comments from the packed room, and they grilled Fedora behind closed doors. After meeting with their highly-successful coach (state titles in 2012 and 2014 and 12-1 record in 2015) they reconvened.

Fedora entered back into the room with a face redder than a flock of cardinals in a strawberry patch.

The board unanimously approved Fedora’s contract, but the damage and public humiliation had been done. He abruptly resigned two weeks later, waiting until basketball season was over so it wouldn’t take away from the athletic teams’ endeavors. He didn’t coach in 2016, and he took the A&M Consolidated job three months ago.

Peterman has only been the head coach for two years at DeSoto, taking them to a 6-6 mark his first season and then winning it all — state championship and 16-0 record — in 2016.

News that his contract may not get extended hit the folks in the town south of Dallas about an hour and a half before the meeting. People packed the room, and the board met behind closed doors a long time. When they came back, they took no action.

Now speculation has risen about the DeSoto situation, most notably a tweet from Zachary Orr, a former DeSoto star and former NFL linebacker.

He wrote: “As crazy as this might sound there are members on the school board who don’t want Peterman because he is WHITE!! Which is sickening.”

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Zachary Orr ✔ @ZO35
As crazy as this might sound there are members on the school board who don't want Peterman because he is WHITE!! Which is sickening.
5:43 PM - 24 Apr 2017
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Peterman is white while 80.4 percent of DeSoto High School is identified as African-American, according to the Texas Education Agency.

The DeSoto school board is comprised of four African-Americans and three Caucasians. Three incumbent board members — Karen Daniel, Jerry Hall and Aubrey C. Cooper — are each running for reelection, and each is contentious with three opponents apiece.

Orr’s father, Terry, spoke during the open session Monday and said he hoped race wasn’t a factor.


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Terry Orr, the father of former DeSoto football, raises issue of race in potential football coach firing.
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According to a Dallas Morning News report, Abe Cooper, who serves as the team’s unofficial chaplain, also told the board he hoped race wasn’t a factor.

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Team chaplain Abe Cooper on Peterman getting fired: "I find that very troubling." Lots of amens when he mentions race aspect.
7:00 PM - 24 Apr 2017
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Early indications from the school board say it isn’t about race. Only time will tell. It may get leaked from a source, like an insider who’s close to the program. A booster. A small business owner.

If there’s a problem in DeSoto, the best thing the school board can do is publicly state it and move on. If there’s a personal agenda with the coach, whether it’s race or the way he coaches or deciding which players to play, then the school board members need to remove themselves. That’s not why they need to be on the school board.

Fedora and Peterman are similar in that they are highly successful with state championships on their resumes. But more importantly, they’re shapers of young men, teaching them right from wrong. Teaching them to learn from mistakes and overcome adversity. They teach their kids to be even better people/students than they are athletes.

Folks have begun rallying around Peterman in DeSoto, starting a hashtag campaign to keep him. They did the same in Navasota.

Peterman has the support of his superintendent, as did Fedora.

Fedora said he didn’t feel comfortable in the environment created, therefore he resigned. The team won just two games in 2016, and the academics have not improved.

Peterman has a choice to make on his future if the school board doesn’t make it for him. Is this an environment he’ll want to remain in after this debacle? He must think about his family.

He will be successful regardless of where he goes. Should he decide to move on, will DeSoto be attractive enough to the next prospective coach?

_________________________________________________________



I live in Navasota and yes they are regretting that decision and just like here the Desoto thing is most likely more about power than race.

But yes race is being used to rile up folks.

The funny thing is the Navasota coach was white and replaced by a black guy yet Navasota is majority white and Hispanic.

Also what was overlooked in the initial article is that black people are actually stepping up in defense of this coach.
It's possible. Could be speculation on the former player's part. I don't think this would've made headlines if he didn't tweet that.
 

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Are you trying to claim that white students are being turned away in favor of lower qualified minorities?

Because that was just shown to be blatantly false with the UT case.
I'm referring to Gratz v. Bollinger.
 

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Hilarious that you'd lecture me about college freshman; your whole schtick is ripped straight from liberal university indoctrination 101.
I didn't take liberal indoctrination 101, it's not part of the bioengineering course requirements.
 

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It's possible. Could be speculation on the former player's part. I don't think this would've made headlines if he didn't tweet that.
Not understanding what you mean?

Speculation that it is being done because he is white?
 

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And that is not done anymore in college admissions correct?

So what was your point here?
I said when you use "points" to award boosts to minorities as they did in Grotz v Bollinger it crosses the line into racism. Not sure why that was hard to understand.

I didn't say thats the ONLY thing that could be racism.
 

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So how do you overcome the issue of being at a disadvantage when applying for a job just because you are black vs a white person?

Many studies have shown whites prefer to higher whites simply because of the comfort level.

It not about racism per say but just inherent biases as well.

And to take that further look at how those biases affect promotions.
That's what Title VII is for. We have laws against discriminating in your hiring practices based on race and that same law applies to promotions. Trust me, I've filed lawsuits under those laws.

Are you trying to say black people can't get jobs? And that once they get those jobs employers don't care how hard they work or how productive they are for the company? The vast majority of employers care mostly about one thing, profits. Hell you've basically said so yourself in other threads. I don't buy that most employers would bypass that in order to discriminate.
 

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Many studies have shown whites prefer to higher whites simply because of the comfort level.
This is something you may be told but it's not longer true:

Hiring bias study: Resumes with black, white, Hispanic names treated the same
Resume names
A new study suggests resumes with names traditionally held by blacks and Hispanics are as likely to get callbacks from potential employers as resumes bearing white-sounding names. (Jim Jurca / iStock)
Alexia Elejalde-RuizContact Reporter
Chicago Tribune

New research on hiring bias found resumes bearing names traditionally held by blacks and Hispanics are just as likely to lead to callbacks and job interviews as those bearing white-sounding names.

The findings, announced last week by the University of Missouri, diverge from the results of a famous study from more than a decade ago that found Lakishas and Jamals were far less likely to get job interviews than Emilys and Gregs.

But study co-author Cory Koedel, an associate professor of economics and public policy at the University of Missouri, cautions that it would "be crazy" to interpret the results to suggest hiring discrimination is a problem of the past.

"People should not overreact to this study, but I think it is a data point to be considered when thinking about discrimination in the labor market today," Koedel said.


The study is the first to apply the resume test to Hispanic applicants, Koedel said, but most of the attention it is getting is fixated on the black-white test.

The new study, which is forthcoming in the journal Applied Economics Letters, has important differences from the research published in 2004 by University of Chicago professor Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan, then at MIT and now at Harvard.

Namely, they used different names.

In the original study, Bertrand and Mullainathan sent nearly 5,000 resumes to 1,300 job ads they found in newspapers in Boston and Chicago from fictional applicants with "very white-sounding names" like Emily Walsh and Greg Baker and "very African-American sounding names" like Lakisha Washington and Jamal Jones. The names were randomly assigned to higher-quality and lower-quality resumes and submitted for administrative support, clerical, customer service and sales openings.

The white names got 50 percent more callbacks than the black names, regardless of the industry or occupation.

One of the criticisms of that study was that Lakisha and Jamal can denote socioeconomic status, and that employers may have made assumptions about education and income rather than race.

Hoping to capture the effect of race alone, Koedel and his co-author, Rajeev Darolia, conducted their experiment using surnames that the U.S. Census shows overwhelmingly belong to whites, blacks and Hispanics, while using first names to signify gender.

In the new experiment, the researchers sent nearly 9,000 resumes to online job postings in seven cities for positions in sales, administrative assistance, customer service, information technology, medical assistance and medical office/billing. The resumes from the fictional black applicants bore the last names Washington and Jefferson, while those from white candidates bore Anderson and Thompson, and those from Hispanic candidates bore Hernandez and Garcia.

On average, 11.4 percent of resumes received a response from an employer, and there were no statistically significant differences across race, ethnic or gender groups.

The study, which only measured the very first step in the hiring process, could suggest that racial discrimination is less prevalent than it was a dozen years ago, the researchers say in a policy paper.

But it also could indicate that last names are a weak signal of race.

Though 90 percent of people with the last name Washington are black and 75 percent of those named Jefferson are black, "there is the fair criticism that maybe no one knows that," Koedel said.

The first names likely didn't help strengthen the connection. Megan and Brian were used for the white candidates, and Chloe and Ryan for the black candidates.

"If I got a resume in the mail for Chloe Washington or Ryan Jefferson it would be hard for me to imagine that I would have interpreted that differently from Megan Anderson or Bryan Thompson," said Northwestern University professor David Figlio, director of the school's Institute for Policy Research, who was not involved in the study.

Doing a search on a database he has of 2 million names of kids born in Florida between 1994 and 2002, Figlio found that 90 percent of Ryans and 89 percent of Chloes are white.

"This new study is interesting and worthwhile but I don't think it changes my view in how important race is in subconscious decision-making," Figlio said. He points to a 2010 study by Stanford University researchers, titled "The Visible Hand," that showed racial bias without the complications of names and other indicators that could influence people's decisions.

That experiment found that an iPod being sold online got 13 percent fewer responses and 17 percent fewer offers if it was shown held by a black hand than by a white hand, "strong evidence that race really makes a difference when people are talking about trustworthiness," Figlio said.

"Am I willing to buy an iPod from somebody — that's exactly the same thing employers are thinking when deciding to hire someone," Figlio said.

To Figlio, the most valuable findings from the Missouri resume study relate to the Hispanic names, which to his knowledge have not been put to such a test before.

The researchers paired the first names Isabella and Carlos with the last names Garcia and Hernandez, all strong indicators of Hispanic origin. So a finding that employers didn't treat those resumes any differently is significant, he said, "and a bit reassuring."

Careem Gladney, who works in supply chain at Cargill Industries and is black, said he doesn't know if he was ever passed up for a job because of his first name. But he believes hiring managers are conscious of it, which isn't always a bad thing. It can help a candidate's prospects if the company values diversity.

"I believe people are conscious of it, and they definitely make a decision," Gladney said.

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This is something you may be told but it's not longer true:

Hiring bias study: Resumes with black, white, Hispanic names treated the same
Resume names
A new study suggests resumes with names traditionally held by blacks and Hispanics are as likely to get callbacks from potential employers as resumes bearing white-sounding names. (Jim Jurca / iStock)
FTW
 

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Careem Gladney, who works in supply chain at Cargill Industries and is black, said he doesn't know if he was ever passed up for a job because of his first name. But he believes hiring managers are conscious of it, which isn't always a bad thing. It can help a candidate's prospects if the company values diversity.
This is my point, if one group consciously or unconsciously practices discrimination the best way to counteract it is by being conscious of who you're hiring and choosing to factor diversity as part of your hiring practices.
 

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Yeah that's the only reason people go to college.

Were you not just talking about people going to extremes to make a point?
When did I say that's the only reason people go to college? I wasn't even trying to make a serious point.

This gets really tiresome.
 

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When did I say that's the only reason people go to college? I wasn't even trying to make a serious point.

This gets really tiresome.
My point exactly. Dude is constantly putting words in people's mouths.
 

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I think lost in all this is the fact that college tuition for minorities is the least of our worries, we need to fix k-12 education first. Schools throughout America are still heavily segregated, and data shows that whenever a kid from the black schools finds a way to go to a white one it changes their whole trajectory.

Here's a thing to listen to on the topic, if you're interested.

https://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with
 

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I said when you use "points" to award boosts to minorities as they did in Grotz v Bollinger it crosses the line into racism. Not sure why that was hard to understand.

I didn't say thats the ONLY thing that could be racism.
I got that and it was struck down by the courts so it is not relevant to what Towns was saying.
 
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