Game Day Chatter Thread | Week 5 | Packers at Cowboys | 10/06/19

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yimyammer

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You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
I'm stuck in a pit of hate
 

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Crawl out. It's not a fun place to be.
impossible as it relates to the Cowboys, jones and spawn have ruined the only team I ever cared about.

At this point I'm like an addict that just cant seem to walk away even though I know deep down they're dead and gone. Save the why do you watch speech, I barely do these days and thats dwindling more and more. I mainly limit my involvement as a fan to being the cheery presence you get to experience from my participation on Cowboy forums

I'm happy as a clam in the rest of my life
 

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impossible as it relates to the Cowboys, jones and spawn have ruined the only team I ever cared about.

At this point I'm like an addict that just cant seem to walk away even though I know deep down they're dead and gone. Save the why do you watch speech, I barely do these days and thats dwindling more and more. I mainly limit my involvement as a fan to being the cheery presence you get to experience from my participation on Cowboy forums

I'm happy as a clam in the rest of my life
You have crawled out and didn't know it. Congratulations!
 

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But here's the problem: You can't fix anything.
You can start a boycott of all Cowboys merchandise, evangelize it to others and hit Jerruh in the pocketbooks until he changes.

Burn any and all Cowboys stuff you now own and post it on YouTube.

When we started the rebellion, the Cowboys were #1 most valuable franchise. They still are, but the gap has closed with #2. Its working.

It has to start somewhere.
 
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We just choose not wallow in misery.


Uhh... Have you ever read the game thread? Every week, that thing is the definition of wallowing in misery. Win or lose.
 

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Jerry does suck, no doubt about it. But they have, by skill or dumb luck, assembled a very talented team. And a good coach would get much better results out of them. Jerry isn't the one repeatedly botching clock management, settling for 52 yard windy field goals at the end of games, freezing his own kicker, or otherwise misusing the talent we do have on game days.

That's why I'm not on the "Nothing matters as long as Jerry is the owner" wagon.
Correct.
 

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The analogy is misplaced. I purposely did not use cancer as part of the metaphor -- from very painful personal experience. I referenced a chronic, incurable disease. I never said 'terminal.' With Jerry, it's not terminal. No end point. Just prolonged suffering.
Your analogy is on point though. It just leads to the conclusion that you don't like. Which is that you always fix what you can even if you're stuck with the biggest issue.
 

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Uhh... Have you ever read the game thread? Every week, that thing is the definition of wallowing in misery. Win or lose.
Well I was talking about Jerry hate specifically. It has seemed to have called down compared to what it was.

game day chatter is a different monster on its own. It's usually fueled by alcohol and then Smitty walks in with a Garrett is King post. Downhill from there.
 

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Our ability to generate turnovers sucks.

Over the past 20 years, I’d say turnover creation, not offense, is our biggest failure against good teams

In our five playoff losses, how many turnovers have we created total?

Its putrid.
 

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Our ability to generate turnovers sucks.

Over the past 20 years, I’d say turnover creation, not offense, is our biggest failure against good teams

In our five playoff losses, how many turnovers have we created total?

Its putrid.
And the hard part is you watch other defense and they make it look easy. The Bears defense is insane good at creating them. Yet Dallas just never seems to have any idea how to do it.
 

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And the hard part is you watch other defense and they make it look easy. The Bears defense is insane good at creating them. Yet Dallas just never seems to have any idea how to do it.
In those five losses, our giveaways isn’t bad, either. Five total giveaways (excluding 2007 Hail Mary INT).

Without a plus turnover margin in any of those five games, it’s more pressure for the offense to out-execute the opponents on even ground, not our specialty.
 

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im starting to believe its our system that doesnt promote takeaways. we are too consistent at not taking the ball away.
 

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Our ability to generate turnovers sucks.

Over the past 20 years, I’d say turnover creation, not offense, is our biggest failure against good teams

In our five playoff losses, how many turnovers have we created total?

Its putrid.
Answer is two (2)...

...and both turnovers led to Cowboys touchdowns.

boozeman Can you USA Today this shit? So much focus on Dak, Zeke and offensive production. Takeaways against top teams is weak, I think, but overlooked by fans, media, schema and personnel.

When I get time, I may look at total takeaways for all teams in the NFCC/AFCCs and Super Bowls. Maybe later I'll expand it to regular season games vs playoff opponents.
 

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im starting to believe its our system that doesnt promote takeaways. we are too consistent at not taking the ball away.
I think it's a big part of it. I can't remember the year but we had Paul Pasqualoni come in as an interim defensive coordinator and suddenly turnovers came in bunches. It's mostly about coverages. Some will create more turnovers for sure.
 

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Someone should do the quick and dirty turnover analysis under Marinelli
 

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2010-2018 Divisional Playoffs, Championship Games and Super Bowl (7 games-per-year)
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- 63 total games with 181 total turnovers = 2.9 turnovers-per-game
- Game losers committed twice as many turnovers as the winners (121 TOs by loser vs 60 TOs by winner)

- When there was a TO margin, TO leader won 75% of the games. (Won 39 times, lost 13 times).

- In the Cowboys three games during this span, all three games had 0 TO margin. We have 2 takeaways-to-2-giveaways.
 

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im starting to believe its our system that doesnt promote takeaways
Notice how all of the LBers and DBs are turned and moving towards the ball on the first INT in this video? That's what I think it not being coached to our players.

 

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I’m sorry you’re sick of it but Garrett didn’t coach amari to drop that ball. Rashard didn’t coach LVE to play like a retard. There are some coaching decisions you can question but this loss was mostly about execution.
Actually "Rashard" did coach LVE to play like crap, just like he's coached the rest of that defense to play like crap. because he's a crap fucking coach. Just like Garrett.

The loss was 100% about fucking horrible coaching and preparation, again.
 

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Prescott made a comment about their 3-0 overconfidence.

Jimmuh was known to lay into the team harder during a win streak, especially a blowout win, and be more nurturing after a tough loss.
I remember a game at the Cardinals in 1992 or 1993 where the team was playing pretty lethargic and for one of the few times the OL was not playing well. Jimmy went to the bench where the unit was sitting together and went into a massive tirade against them. The next couple of series the OL beasted and we pulled away. Jimmy also melted down on Charles Haley once in 1992 at Denver.

Jimmy was a real coach and the epitome of a winner. Garrett is the fucking anti-Jimmy
 

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Prescott made a comment about their 3-0 overconfidence.

Jimmuh was known to lay into the team harder during a win streak, especially a blowout win, and be more nurturing after a tough loss.
You need to read that story about the plane ride home in 1992 following that loss at Washington near the end of the season. Michael Irvin said Jimmy lost his shit because he thought the team was too accepting of the tough loss, and Jimmy made their life fucking miserable the whole plane ride back.
 

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I agree 100%. Obviously kickers miss kicks all the time, but Maher for whatever reason misses the easy shit.

I don’t blame Maher for being a average kicker, I blame the lazy owner and coaching staff for sticking with a guy everyone who can see is a suck ass kicker.
54-55 yd FG's are hardly easy shit. I know the 2nd one was a gimmee but the first one never should have been attempted considering the situation at the time.

Maher sux, but honestly there hasn't been much available they could have gotten to replace him. For whatever reason, there seems to be a real lack of quality kickers now league-wide.

Besides, Garrett needs Maher here for his next excuse for why a season was a failure.
 

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Zoners posted this shit too, I guess trying to make some ignorant take about how cutting Bailey was a mistake. But he was bad for Minnesota last yr just like he was bad for us the end of his last season here and not much better in the offseason and training camp that followed. In fact Minnesota was so confident in Bailey this past TC that they traded for another kicker (who ended up sucking and got cut)
 
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Jerry does suck, no doubt about it. But they have, by skill or dumb luck, assembled a very talented team. And a good coach would get much better results out of them. Jerry isn't the one repeatedly botching clock management, settling for 52 yard windy field goals at the end of games, freezing his own kicker, or otherwise misusing the talent we do have on game days.

That's why I'm not on the "Nothing matters as long as Jerry is the owner" wagon.
Yep, agree 100%

Jerry was CLEARLY the issue after the 93 Super Bowl till the point where he hired Parcells. After that Jerry hasn't been making horrendous personnel decision after horrendous personnel decision. There's been plenty of talent here for the most part since 2007 to at least make 2-3 good runs, and this team cant get past the divisional round.

Now the fact that Garrett is still here, you could blame Jerry for that.
 

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54-55 yd FG's are hardly easy shit. I know the 2nd one was a gimmee but the first one never should have been attempted considering the situation at the time.

Maher sux, but honestly there hasn't been much available they could have gotten to replace him. For whatever reason, there seems to be a real lack of quality kickers now league-wide.

Besides, Garrett needs Maher here for his next excuse for why a season was a failure.
Not saying 55 yard field goals are easy shit....but if a guy can’t make a 35 yard field goal how can you trust him with a 50+ yard field goal to win a game on the road in a playoff game with 5 seconds left.

You can’t, just like you can’t trust Garrett or Marinelli/Richard in a close game against real teams.
 

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Not saying 55 yard field goals are easy shit....but if a guy can’t make a 35 yard field goal how can you trust him with a 50+ yard field goal to win a game on the road in a playoff game with 5 seconds left.

You can’t, just like you can’t trust Garrett or Marinelli/Richard in a close game against real teams.
the MFer just made 50 and 62.
 

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You need to read that story about the plane ride home in 1992 following that loss at Washington near the end of the season. Michael Irvin said Jimmy lost his shit because he thought the team was too accepting of the tough loss, and Jimmy made their life fucking miserable the whole plane ride back.
Our beloved "GM" was not gonna have any of that shit and I suspect began plotting for Jimmys departure during that flight if not well before

Below is a video of jeri being dismissive of Jimmys motivation tactics, calling them manufactured and pontificating how they wouldn't work anymore as a way of justifying Jimmy's firing and the promotion of the idea that he was saving the team by firing Jimmy.

The truth of the matter is winning is hard and the environment and effort it takes to win isn't fun which is antithetical to the party environment jeri loves and one of the biggest reasons the Cowboys have floundered since Jimmys ouster.

Every player is catapulted "best in the league" and over valued by management and fans alike, they're all famous and make tons of money, why should they be bothered with something as trivial as winning when they already have all the accoutrements that come along with winning but without all that stress and effort, pfft...teams like the patriots are fools

I seem to recall Landry saying something to the effect that it was his job to make grown men do things they don't want to do so they can achieve the things they have always wanted. The owner and GM of the Cowboys undermines anything that could possibly be construed as resembling Landry's mission statement

 

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He fired Landry
As a technicality that could be said but it’s still a bit of a stretch. Jones already had his head coach lined up before he bought the team and Bright was supposed to have told Landry he was selling and the new owner was bringing in his own coach. Bright didn’t get around to that and news was released that Jones was in town to buy the team and was accompanied by Johnson. I seem to remember that a little later Jones trying to contact Landry but he left town.
 

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He fired Landry
In his defense, it was way past time for Landry to go. Its something Tex Schramm should have handled years before. It should have never been that Landry had to be "fired" he should have been talked into retirement after the 83 or 84 season. The game was passing him by rapidly and there was no chance he was ever going to turn it around.
 

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As a technicality that could be said but it’s still a bit of a stretch. Jones already had his head coach lined up before he bought the team and Bright was supposed to have told Landry he was selling and the new owner was bringing in his own coach. Bright didn’t get around to that and news was released that Jones was in town to buy the team and was accompanied by Johnson. I seem to remember that a little later Jones trying to contact Landry but he left town.
Jones and/or Schramm flew to Austin to deliver the bad news as Landry was golfing.
 

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In his defense, it was way past time for Landry to go. Its something Tex Schramm should have handled years before. It should have never been that Landry had to be "fired" he should have been talked into retirement after the 83 or 84 season. The game was passing him by rapidly and there was no chance he was ever going to turn it around.
Youre absolutely correct. I remember feeling that way at the time.
 

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In his defense, it was way past time for Landry to go. Its something Tex Schramm should have handled years before. It should have never been that Landry had to be "fired" he should have been talked into retirement after the 83 or 84 season. The game was passing him by rapidly and there was no chance he was ever going to turn it around.
And then Landry put in maybe his best coaching job ever in 1985, going 10-6 with a very flawed team.

But the game was steadily passing him by with younger coaches putting in 18 hour days mainly so they could beat him.
 
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