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There are not many successful coaches who've iced his own kicker.
 

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Garrett's allegiance to Maher is telling on himself.
Actually I'm not even pissed at Maher.

I can't bring myself to point the finger at the kicker when the QB was out there throwing picks left and right; receivers were out there dropping easy passes; LBs were taking poor angles and running themselves out of plays, the DL was getting blown off the LOS; the OL was getting their ass handed to them on passing downs; and the entire coaching staff look completely shell-shocked and failed to make a meaningful adjustment until late in the 3rd qtr when the game was well in hand and the score was 31-3.

When you consider all that, I don't see how anyone could have Maher anywhere near the top of their list of things that cost Dallas the game. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, that missed kick was an afterthought and nothing more than the cherry on top of a Cowboys shit-show sundae.
 

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Actually I'm not even pissed at Maher.

I can't bring myself to point the finger at the kicker when the QB was out there throwing picks left and right; receivers were out there dropping easy passes; LBs were taking poor angles and running themselves out of plays, the DL was getting blown off the LOS; the OL was getting their ass handed to them on passing downs; and the entire coaching staff look completely shell-shocked and failed to make a meaningful adjustment until late in the 3rd qtr when the game was well in hand and the score was 31-3.

When you consider all that, I don't see how anyone could have Maher anywhere near the top of their list of things that cost Dallas the game. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, that missed kick was an afterthought and nothing more than the cherry on top of a Cowboys shit-show sundae.
It's Garrett putting the heat on the kicker again, when really they should have gone for it on 4th.

Garrett hates kickers, just like someone else we all know.
 

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When you consider all that, I don't see how anyone could have Maher anywhere near the top of their list of things that cost Dallas the game. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, that missed kick was an afterthought and nothing more than the cherry on top of a Cowboys shit-show sundae.
Oh I don't blame Maher for the 6 points he left on the board. Our chances were slim to win even if he made both kicks. But that doesn't mean Maher isn't a problem. If he misses those kicks in a more competitive game we absolutely will lose because of him. Plus there is just something really pathetic about missing a 30 some yard kick. I'll give a guy a break for a miss here or there on the longer stuff. But that second miss should have been a gimmie. It's a big fuckup for a kicker.
 

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Sorry, I cant disagree more. This was absolutely a coaching loss (again).

The team was grossly unprepared and not even remotely motivated or enthusiastic about this huge game at home. The defensive system is the biggest fucking joke in football right now. There are too many good football players all over this roster to be THAT fucking bad the other day.

Two weeks in a row they absolutely shit the bed. 9+ years of this garbage is enough.

THE GUY CANT FUCKING COACH
I’m sorry you’re sick of it but Garrett didn’t coach amari to drop that ball. Rashard didn’t coach LVE to play like a retard. There are some coaching decisions you can question but this loss was mostly about execution.
 

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Oh I don't blame Maher for the 6 points he left on the board. Our chances were slim to win even if he made both kicks. But that doesn't mean Maher isn't a problem. If he misses those kicks in a more competitive game we absolutely will lose because of him. Plus there is just something really pathetic about missing a 30 some yard kick. I'll give a guy a break for a miss here or there on the longer stuff. But that second miss should have been a gimmie. It's a big fuckup for a kicker.
I absolutely blame Maher for going 1 of 3. Fuck that guy. We need to upgrade somehow someway.
 

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I’m sorry you’re sick of it but Garrett didn’t coach amari to drop that ball. Rashard didn’t coach LVE to play like a retard. There are some coaching decisions you can question but this loss was mostly about execution.
It was about execution primarily and losing possession secondarily. Coaching wasn’t a big factor in the Green Bay game other than alignments to confuse Rogers. He had all day and ripped the defense.
 

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Sure, it's about execution, but a large part of "execution" is the HC/coaching staff making sure that the players are fully focused and motivated. If it was just an error here or there that'd be one thing, but the sloppiness and general lack of energy that the entire team came out with was so widespread that I think you have to blame the HC for not keeping them up. A HC like Parcells would've been all over their asses after starting 3-0, especially after that sloppy first half against Miami, but I'm sure Garrett was all too happy to powder their asses and grin.
 

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Actually I'm not even pissed at Maher.

I can't bring myself to point the finger at the kicker when the QB was out there throwing picks left and right; receivers were out there dropping easy passes; LBs were taking poor angles and running themselves out of plays, the DL was getting blown off the LOS; the OL was getting their ass handed to them on passing downs; and the entire coaching staff look completely shell-shocked and failed to make a meaningful adjustment until late in the 3rd qtr when the game was well in hand and the score was 31-3.

When you consider all that, I don't see how anyone could have Maher anywhere near the top of their list of things that cost Dallas the game. Hell, as far as I'm concerned, that missed kick was an afterthought and nothing more than the cherry on top of a Cowboys shit-show sundae.
Amen. Peeps lose sight of the larger issues.
 

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Problems are problems. You fix as many as you can.
Maher is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys. You're playing whack-a-mole, sticking your finger in the dyke (excuse the analogy). Winning will not come with band-aide stuff, ignoring the bigger issues.
 

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Sure, it's about execution, but a large part of "execution" is the HC/coaching staff making sure that the players are fully focused and motivated. If it was just an error here or there that'd be one thing, but the sloppiness and general lack of energy that the entire team came out with was so widespread that I think you have to blame the HC for not keeping them up. A HC like Parcells would've been all over their asses after starting 3-0, especially after that sloppy first half against Miami, but I'm sure Garrett was all too happy to powder their asses and grin.
Prescott made a comment about their 3-0 overconfidence.

Jimmuh was known to lay into the team harder during a win streak, especially a blowout win, and be more nurturing after a tough loss.
 

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Maher is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys. You're playing whack-a-mole, sticking your finger in the dyke (excuse the analogy). Winning will not come with band-aide stuff, ignoring the bigger issues.
That's silly logic. By that thought you might as well do nothing except conserve cap space until Jerry dies.
 

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Prescott made a comment about their 3-0 overconfidence.

Jimmuh was known to lay into the team harder during a win streak, especially a blowout win, and be more nurturing after a tough loss.
They needed a coach to get on their ass after the Miami game when they came and half-assed it the first half, you could tell they already eating the cheese
 

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Maher is not the problem with the Dallas Cowboys. You're playing whack-a-mole, sticking your finger in the dyke (excuse the analogy). Winning will not come with band-aide stuff, ignoring the bigger issues.
This is completely retarded. Missed FGs are not only missed points, but momentum killers. The other team comes off the field fired up that no points were given up, and ours comes off dejected that they put together a scoring drive, but came away with nothing.

To think trying to secure a good kicker is 'band-aid stuff' is moronic.
 

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Oh I don't blame Maher for the 6 points he left on the board. Our chances were slim to win even if he made both kicks. But that doesn't mean Maher isn't a problem. If he misses those kicks in a more competitive game we absolutely will lose because of him. Plus there is just something really pathetic about missing a 30 some yard kick. I'll give a guy a break for a miss here or there on the longer stuff. But that second miss should have been a gimmie. It's a big fuckup for a kicker.
I agree 100%. Obviously kickers miss kicks all the time, but Maher for whatever reason misses the easy shit.

I don’t blame Maher for being a average kicker, I blame the lazy owner and coaching staff for sticking with a guy everyone who can see is a suck ass kicker.
 

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This is completely retarded. Missed FGs are not only missed points, but momentum killers. The other team comes off the field fired up that no points were given up, and ours comes off dejected that they put together a scoring drive, but came away with nothing.

To think trying to secure a good kicker is 'band-aid stuff' is moronic.
I’d agree out of everything besides not getting the points, the field position and the momentum killer these missed kicks cause is a huge problem.
 

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And that would have made a difference?
Sooner or later we will lose a game because of Maher. We hit that fieldgoal at the end of the half and then go for the TD at the end of regulation to tie rather than still need another score. Who knows. Don't give the guy a pass just because he wasn't the biggest problem. He was a serious problem and not one we weren't already worried about.
 

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Sooner or later we will lose a game because of Maher. We hit that fieldgoal at the end of the half and then go for the TD at the end of regulation to tie rather than still need another score. Who knows. Don't give the guy a pass just because he wasn't the biggest problem. He was a serious problem and not one we weren't already worried about.
There is no excuse to not even look at some kickers. At least see what the other options out there look like.
 

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There is no excuse to not even look at some kickers. At least see what the other options out there look like.
Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
 

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Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
Yeah I saw that too. I was thinking the same thing. Those guys hit at a higher percent, how are they not better? I'm not asking for elite but there are at least competent options out there.
 

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Cant find the tweet now but Archer replied to some people complaining about Maher. The tweet gave Mahers FG % and then listed the people available and the way it read gave the impression that Archer didnt think any were worthwhile despite the fact that two of them had higher percentages.

Why improve?
The easy thing to say is the Cowboys need to cut Brett Maher, who has missed six field goal attempts in his last 12 games over the last two seasons, including two vs. Green Bay. But who’s out there? Last week New England worked out five kickers before signing Mike Nugent, including Kai Forbath, Blair Walsh, Elliott Fry and Matthew Wright. Forbath has made 83.7% of his field goal tries the last two seasons. Walsh has made 73%. Maher has made 76.7% the last two seasons.



Todd Archer, ESPN Staff Writer2d ago

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Forbath was in our camp once upon a time.
 

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This is completely retarded. Missed FGs are not only missed points, but momentum killers. The other team comes off the field fired up that no points were given up, and ours comes off dejected that they put together a scoring drive, but came away with nothing.

To think trying to secure a good kicker is 'band-aid stuff' is moronic.
I was trying to make a larger point about deeper problems -- coaching deficiencies and ownership incompetence. They've been there for 20 years. You don't fix what was wrong in the Green Bay game -- and all the other failures over that time, by getting a better kicker.

Green Bay rode roughshod over Dallas. A missed field goal, or a kicker who can't it done wouldn't have changed that.
 

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I was trying to make a larger point about deeper problems -- coaching deficiencies and ownership incompetence. They've been there for 20 years. You don't fix what was wrong in the Green Bay game -- and all the other failures over that time, by getting a better kicker.

Green Bay rode roughshod over Dallas. A missed field goal, or a kicker who can't it done wouldn't have changed that.
but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
 

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but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
You fix what you can and live with what you can't change. You can't fix Jerry but you sure as shit can fix the kicker problem. I guess some would rather just give up and bury their head in the sand until Jerry dies. Can't blame them but I'd rather try to fix the problems that are fixable.
 
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but you will never fix the ownership problem either. coaching might be a different story, lots of folks might just get their wish if these performances continue
Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
 

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You fix what you can and live with what you can't change. You can't fix Jerry but you sure as shit can fix the kicker problem. I guess some would rather just give up and bury their head in the sand until Jerry dies. Can't blame them but I'd rather try to fix the problems that are fixable.
But here's the problem: You can't fix anything.
 

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Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
Have you been to Cowboys Fan Rebellion...there's a movement in progress to put a billboard by Texas Stadium to "Fire GM Jerry Jones". Might even be a podcast.

Iamtdg What's the latest?
 

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Have you been to Cowboys Fan Rebellion...there's a movement in progress to put a billboard by Texas Stadium to "Fire GM Jerry Jones". Might even be a podcast.

Iamtdg What's the latest?
I forgot to pay the hosting for that site and it went down. RIP
 

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I'm sorry, I just see people picking at the margins, around the edges. "We need a new kicker, a 'stud' DT, a different DC, a new coach, an edge rusher" and on and on.

You can't be loaded at every position, and reportedly this team was pretty stacked going in. How many more "studs" do you need at how many more positions before someone realizes that's not the problem?

Coaches? Okay. But there's always a messiah HC out there who will come in and somehow carry the team to the promised land. Hasn't happened for the past quarter-century.

Garrett is a toad and a loser, and Marinelli should be riding on a golf cart in a retirement village somewhere. But they're just temporary symptoms of a chronic disease. The disease is the owner who keeps those coaches there, and will hire the next symptoms -- if it ever comes to that.

If the patient is suffering from chronic internal bleeding, the answer isn't a band aid.
 

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I'm sorry, I just see people picking at the margins, around the edges. "We need a new kicker, a 'stud' DT, a different DC, a new coach, an edge rusher" and on and on.

You can't be loaded at every position, and reportedly this team was pretty stacked going in. How many more "studs" do you need at how many more positions before someone realizes that's not the problem?

Coaches? Okay. But there's always a messiah HC out there who will come in and somehow carry the team to the promised land. Hasn't happened for the past quarter-century.

Garrett is a toad and a loser, and Marinelli should be riding on a golf cart in a retirement village somewhere. But they're just temporary symptoms of a chronic disease. The disease is the owner who keeps those coaches there, and will hire the next symptoms -- if it ever comes to that.

If the patient is suffering from chronic internal bleeding, the answer isn't a band aid.
You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
 

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People on this board have literally been wishing for Jerry Jones to die for almost 20 years.
 
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Right. The ownership problem is a like a chronic, incurable disease. The organization is the patient, and the patient has been suffering the ill-effects of the disease, the symptoms, for over 20 years. Doctors have tried everything. Nothing works.

A crappy kicker is just one of many symptoms of the disease, the same kinds of symptoms that have shown up every year for 23 years. A new kicker may win a game or two here and there, but pretending that the new kicker will have any effect on the underlying disease is pointless -- and stupid.
I'd hate to be your cancer patient. Oh you have severe pain to go with your illness, no reason to treat the symptom you're going to die anyway. If we can't cure the cancer I don't care how long you live or how painful those years are.
 
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You do know that there isn't anything we can do about the owner, right?

The only thing is we can discuss the issues with the team. I will let you in on a little secret, though. You arent saying anything that hasnt been said here before. We all know Jerry is the problem but what are you going to do? He isnt going anywhere so you can either live in a pit of hate or try to make the best of what you do have. Here at the DCC we have moved on to accepting that Jerry isn't going anywhere. Neither is his son. Garrett will move up into the front office as well. Its just what we have.
Is that a little bit like an abusive family? Dad keeps beating mom but we kids pretend we don't see it. Just try to make the best of it. Maybe that's an exaggeration. But the effect is the same. We know Jerry will never produce a winning organization, but we can fantasize and pretend, or ignore reality, and engage in our own group therapy sessions.
 

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I'd hate to be your cancer patient. Oh you have severe pain to go with your illness, no reason to treat the symptom you're going to die anyway. If we can't cure the cancer I don't care how long you live or how painful those years are.
The analogy is misplaced. I purposely did not use cancer as part of the metaphor -- from very painful personal experience. I referenced a chronic, incurable disease. I never said 'terminal.' With Jerry, it's not terminal. No end point. Just prolonged suffering.
 

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Is that a little bit like an abusive family? Dad keeps beating mom but we kids pretend we don't see it. Just try to make the best of it. Maybe that's an exaggeration. But the effect is the same. We know Jerry will never produce a winning organization, but we can fantasize and pretend, or ignore reality, and engage in our own group therapy sessions.
This is a message board is it not?

Again. You arent telling us anything that we dont already know. We just choose not wallow in misery.
 

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This is a message board is it not?

Again. You arent telling us anything that we dont already know. We just choose not wallow in misery.
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i hear you. It so pointless to come around every whip stitch and lament about Jones and all the woes he brings to the Cowboys table. It is his team and he has been stuck in low gear for about 18 to 20 years but it doesn’t change anything to call him names and repeat the same hate Jerry dialogue. But as was stated it is a message board and no doubt the beat will go on.
 

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Jerry does suck, no doubt about it. But they have, by skill or dumb luck, assembled a very talented team. And a good coach would get much better results out of them. Jerry isn't the one repeatedly botching clock management, settling for 52 yard windy field goals at the end of games, freezing his own kicker, or otherwise misusing the talent we do have on game days.

That's why I'm not on the "Nothing matters as long as Jerry is the owner" wagon.
 

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