Dak Watch Thread...

[Cowboysrock55]

One choice. Depends on the circumstances. If, for example, you could have gotten the Dolphins 5th pick and next years first for Dak, and could have taken Tua, and still have Dalton.... that’s an appealing option.

So you can win a Superbowl or two over the next two years, would you trade that away for Tua and a first round pick?

 

[Smitty]

So you can win a Superbowl or two over the next two years, would you trade that away for Tua and a first round pick?

Of course not if I KNEW I would win a Super Bowl. But if I was confident I would - I’d probably just give Dak the money he wants.

Their whole point with this negotiation is that they need to keep his hit down to keep the talent around him high though, if they want to win. And when you are doing that math then you don’t need to hit a home run on his replacement either... a single or double would work.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

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Of course not if I KNEW I would win a Super Bowl. But if I was confident I would - I’d probably just give Dak the money he wants.

Their whole point with this negotiation is that they need to keep his hit down to keep the talent around him high though, if they want to win. And when you are doing that math then you don’t need to hit a home run on his replacement either... a single or double would work.

When you do what we do in free agency I don't think it matters much. I'm way more worried about Zeke's contract.

 

[Smitty]

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When you do what we do in free agency I don't think it matters much. I'm way more worried about Zeke's contract.

I’m worried about that too...

 

[data]

How about a 2yr $40M contract.

 

[kidd]

So I read that Dak was offered essentially the same deal as Russel Wilson. I believe it was 35 mil a year with 140 mil guaranteed.

He turned it down wanting more

is he worth more than Wilson?

 

[kidd]

I’d respect the “Dak is a top 10 QB” argument more if it wasn’t the same thing I heard last off-season.

I’d agree at this point he’s probably transcended to that range. But prior to this year he was closer to a middle of the pack QB.

For all this talk about Lamar needing to sustain, so does Prescott. Dak is also overflowing with receiving talent at this point, so he needs to put up near MVP numbers to justify a big contract.

He should really take a smaller deal to help keep the pieces in place around him.

This.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So I read that Dak was offered essentially the same deal as Russel Wilson. I believe it was 35 mil a year with 140 mil guaranteed.

He turned it down wanting more

is he worth more than Wilson?

They didn't, Wilson got a 4 year deal. They don't want to give a 4 year deal.

 

[1bigfan13]

How is that spin? You either give the player whatever he wants, or you have to do your job and manage the cap so that you can actually try to field a winner.

No doubt. Shits about to get harder for them to build a team. Which is why they should have cut ties with Garrett a lot earlier. They drug their feet and decided to let a POS head coach hang around and they ended up wasting that golden 4 year window where Dak was playing on a rookie contract.

 

[GShock]

Shoulda got Kirk Cousins when we had the chance. Same tier QB, less drama

Well, we appear to be repeating the slurs approach on negotiations, so stay tuned.

 

[Simpleton]

No doubt. Shits about to get harder for them to build a team. Which is why they should have cut ties with Garrett a lot earlier. They drug their feet and decided to let a POS head coach hang around and they ended up wasting that golden 4 year window where Dak was playing on a rookie contract.

I don't even know that it's going to be harder because it's not like we did anything with the cap space over the years anyway. Right now Dak is on the books for 31 million, if he signs a 4-5 year deal his cap hit will probably be in the range of 28-38 million over the life of the deal, yet what did we have to sacrifice to fit that 31 figure under the cap this year?

Byron Jones who nobody wanted to pay even if we had plenty of space?

Robert Quinn I guess?

That's pretty much it, and with Frederick unexpectedly retiring that opened up a little more flexibility in future years. If they hadn't held on to Crawford like a baby blanket they could've afforded to go after pretty much any FA that they wanted.

I looked at the contracts of Tyron, Martin, Cooper, Elliott, Collins, Lawrence, etc. and I don't think any of them are at risk of being cut unless it's for a decline in performance.

Long story short, I don't think extending Dak is going to change anything about how the team has operated since 2016, for better or worse.

 

[Simpleton]

It's astounding to me that they refuse to do 4 years as if it's some major sticking point in negotiations, if anything one could argue that it'd be preferable to the team to do 4 instead of 5, that way they can get out of it earlier if need be. The only way it wouldn't be advantageous would be if Dak turns into a truly elite, no question top 3 QB over that time, which seems unlikely.

It's hard to see how one additional year is going to make much difference one way or the other. Either Dak becomes a FA at 29 or 30, we either have to extend him again at 29 or 30, one year isn't going to make or break anything on either side.

The only real risk is if Dak turns into a pumpkin, and then at that point you're happy to have done 4 years instead of 5.

 

[data]

Interesting interview embedded in this link...I'm not insinuating anything sexual, since I'm guessing the setting on a bed is tied to Cousins promoting Sleep Number mattress, however, I'm directly wondering if the interview would've been staged like this if a male interviewer. I'll sit in a chair in front of a mattress, but no way am I sitting on the same bed as another dude.

QB Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings agree to two-year contract extension

Kirk Cousins, 31, was set to enter his final season in Minnesota after he signed a three-year, fully guaranteed deal in March 2018 worth $84 million.

www.usatoday.com

 

[GShock]

When you do what we do in free agency I don't think it matters much.

Seriously. In Stephen's era, we are not going to be FA players. Fine, we don't want to overpay on second contracts where teams have decided to let the player go, choosing instead to do bargain shopping on older players as stop-gaps on positions to (hopefully) fill through the draft. It's not a bad approach, and you have the flexibility to get a "final piece" type if you are convinced you are a player away. But we don't need the money to be players in FA - that's not our approach.

We also don't need the money to keep our own. We paid Cooper, but let Byron walk. We let Quinn go. We could have afforded both, but chose not to. Fine. Defense underperformed, don't want a CB who doesn't create turnovers, whatever. We could save money on the Crawford deal, but for whatever reason, we are choosing not to.

Can't pay because we need to keep pieces in the next few years? Like who? Think we spend money to keep Chido? Maybe if he's an adequate safety, but it won't be big money. We're not paying Lewis. Think we pay Gallup after drafting Lamb and paying Amari? Has Xavier done anything to make you think he will be either expensive or irreplaceable? LVE?

I'm way more worried about Zeke's contract.

Nah. We'll have him for the next 4 years. Assuming Tyron doesn't break down, that's essentially our window. This team, with a core of Zeke, Cooper, Lamb, Tyron, Martin, Collins, Tank, Jaylon (I guess), Diggs, and McCarthy will be in place for the next 4 years. Hard to imagine an option at QB that's available that gives us a better chance at a title during that window than Dak.

 

[data]

Hard to imagine an option at QB that's available that gives us a better chance at a title during that window than Dak.

With recent playoff success with Tannehill, Garoppolo and Josh Allen, I wonder what our team would look like with Andy Dalton with ~$35M of players.

Would've kept Robert Quinn or signed Everson Griffen, safety, etc...

 

[Stasheroo]

With recent playoff success with Tannehill, Garoppolo and Josh Allen, I wonder what our team would look like with Andy Dalton with ~$35M of players.

Would've kept Robert Quinn or signed Everson Griffen, safety, etc...

Can cut Crawford, save $8 million, and sign Griffen today if they chose to.

 

[Smitty]

I'll tell you the guy they should try to sign right now to an extension before he gets unaffordable: Michael Gallup.

See if you can give him $40m-$50m today.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'll tell you the guy they should try to sign right now to an extension before he gets unaffordable: Michael Gallup.

See if you can give him $40m-$50m today.

I think you have to be in the league 3 years before you can sign an extension.

 

[Smitty]

I think you have to be in the league 3 years before you can sign an extension.

After this season then.

 

[Simpleton]

Agreed on Gallup, the escape hatch on Cooper's contract is already there.