Cowboy Chris: Dak You Are Not Worth 40 Million Dollars A Year

[Genghis Khan]

We’ll see cool you all are after we go 0-3

You don't want to bury yourself early

 

[dpf1123]

I would agree. How many coaches win early in their first season? @dpf1123? Your first project as board statistician. I know you declined the position, but...

I started looking at this and it's way too much of a pain in the ass. I made it through the first game for each. There have been 64 first year head coaches over the last 10 seasons (including 2020). They went 22-41-1 in their first game. Not great. And I don't think it tells you very much. Most of these teams sucked the previous year, which is why they got new head coaches.

What was more interesting was the number of turds who got multiple head coaching opportunities. Hue Jackson, Pat Shurmur, Chip Kelly, Mike Mularkey, Doug Marrone and Adam Gase all got two jobs in different places.

And Cleveland has had 6 head coaches in 10 years. That's hard to believe.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

I started looking at this and it's way too much of a pain in the ass. I made it through the first game for each. There have been 64 first year head coaches over the last 10 seasons (including 2020). They went 22-41-1 in their first game. Not great. And I don't think it tells you very much. Most of these teams sucked the previous year, which is why they got new head coaches.

What was more interesting was the number of turds who got multiple head coaching opportunities. Hue Jackson, Pat Shurmur, Chip Kelly, Mike Mularkey, Doug Marrone and Adam Gase all got two jobs in different places.

And Cleveland has had 6 head coaches in 10 years. That's hard to believe.

You’re doing the Lord’s work. Thank you.

 

[Cotton]

I started looking at this and it's way too much of a pain in the ass. I made it through the first game for each. There have been 64 first year head coaches over the last 10 seasons (including 2020). They went 22-41-1 in their first game. Not great. And I don't think it tells you very much. Most of these teams sucked the previous year, which is why they got new head coaches.

What was more interesting was the number of turds who got multiple head coaching opportunities. Hue Jackson, Pat Shurmur, Chip Kelly, Mike Mularkey, Doug Marrone and Adam Gase all got two jobs in different places.

And Cleveland has had 6 head coaches in 10 years. That's hard to believe.

Whether you want to be labeled it or not, you are the board's badass statistician. Done.

 

[data]

I started looking at this and it's way too much of a pain in the ass.

I’m your friend...they’re gonna use you up, and toss you aside when you got nothing left and call you nip.

Im not telling you what to do, but hope you can live a better life from my experiences.

Pro tip - Fabricate 53% of your reported data. It’s the nerdy way to spit in their proverbial hamburger.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

I’m your friend...they’re gonna use you up, and toss you aside when you got nothing left and call you nip.

Im not telling you what to do, but hope you can live a better life from my experiences.

Pro tip - Fabricate 53% of your reported data. It’s the nerdy way to spit in their proverbial hamburger.

The Bengals‘ uniforms were disgusting.

So, there.

 

[MikeDowns26]

Still needs to prove himself. Should've taken a deal and re-negotiate after you do something big.

 

[ravidubey]

Anyone still think Dak isn't worth big time QB money? So he's not Mahomes or Jackson... he's become pretty damned good.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Anyone still think Dak isn't worth big time QB money? So he's not Mahomes or Jackson... he's become pretty damned good.

Looks way better than Watson right now

 

[Cotton]

Anyone still think Dak isn't worth big time QB money? So he's not Mahomes or Jackson... he's become pretty damned good.

He absolutely is worth it. Do now go draft diving again.

 

[lostxn]

Looks way better than Watson right now

Dak is a better QB than Watson. He just is. Watson is a better athlete but Dak is better between the ear holes.

 

[ravidubey]

Looks way better than Watson right now

True, though right now it's an unfair comparison.

Watson lost a top three wideout and has had to play the two best teams in the NFL back to back. We've had the Rams and Falcons.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

True, though right now it's an unfair comparison.

Watson lost a top three wideout and has had to play the two best teams in the NFL back to back. We've had the Rams and Falcons.

Not to mention he has the AFC equivalent of Garrett running the entire show.

 

[ravidubey]

Dak is a better QB than Watson. He just is. Watson is a better athlete but Dak is better between the ear holes.

The Texans have clearly called on Watson to do more and with less.

Replace our star WRs with Brandon Cooks and it would hurt like a mofo for Dak too.

 

[shane]

The Texans have clearly called on Watson to do more and with less.

Replace our star WRs with Brandon Cooks and it would hurt like a mofo for Dak too.

Good point. Watson would be helped by better coaching too. Dak has a better brain. But watson under a QB master could be spectacular. O'brien is worse than Garrett.

 

[shane]

Anyone still think Dak isn't worth big time QB money? So he's not Mahomes or Jackson... he's become pretty damned good.

I think I would take Dak over Jackson long term. Outside of Mahomes and Wilson, I dunno if there is a better guy to have for the future than Dak. Give the man his 45 million per year contract

 

[1bigfan13]

The Texans have clearly called on Watson to do more and with less.

Replace our star WRs with Brandon Cooks and it would hurt like a mofo for Dak too.

Even when Watson had weapons he's never shown that he's hands down a better QB than Dak. Their passing numbers are pretty much even. IMO, they're interchangeable. Two very good but not great QBs who are capable of winning a Super Bowl if surrounded by the right pieces and coaches.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

Even when Watson had weapons he's never shown that he's hands down a better QB than Dak. Their passing numbers are pretty much even. IMO, they're interchangeable. Two very good but not great QBs who are capable of winning a Super Bowl if surrounded by the right pieces and coaches.

Outside of Hopkins, what other weapons has he really had?

 

[1bigfan13]

Outside of Hopkins, what other weapons has he really had?

Just factoring in 2017-2019 seasons:

Aside from the RB position, their skill position players as a whole haven't been terrible.

Obviously Zeke > Lamar Miller, Carlos Hyde, & Duke Johnson.

But Hopkins, Stills, Fuller, Fells, & Akins, etc. is still a decent group and the gap wasn't very wide when compared to Cooper, Gallup, Witten, Beasley, Jarwin, Hurns, Cobb, Tavon Austin, etc.

But I do agree that 2019 - Present, Dak absolutely has more talent to work with to by a significant margin.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

Just factoring in 2017-2019 seasons:

Aside from the RB position, their skill position players as a whole haven't been terrible.

Obviously Zeke > Lamar Miller, Carlos Hyde, & Duke Johnson.

But Hopkins, Stills, Fuller, Fells, & Akins, etc. is still a decent group and the gap wasn't very wide when compared to Cooper, Gallup, Witten, Beasley, Jarwin, Hurns, Cobb, Tavon Austin, etc.

But I do agree that 2019 - Present, Dak absolutely has more talent to work with to by a significant margin.

I totally agree that they aren’t terrible, but the closest one outside of Hop I consider to be a weapon is Fuller, who himself has issues with drops and injuries. We also have to factor in the offensive lines that both have played behind. At this point, I have seen more progression from Dak than Watson, the guy still holds on to the ball for too long at times, but they still boast the same amount of team success up this far if i’m not mistaken, in terms of divisional accolades, and a playoff win.

Make no mistake, I was firmly in the Dak is not an elite QB camp this offseason, and that is starting to change for me. But I am a Watson fan, and I think in a couple more years, we’ll be arguing where him/Dak/Jackson/Burrow fall behind Mahomes in the pecking order.