2022 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[Cowboysrock55]

He'd be one of my top choices in the 3rd.

Would much rather take him in the 3rd than Burks in the 1st, even if Burks is a legit 1st round caliber prospect.

The challenge is, can you count on him being available with our third? It gets hard when you start banking on a guy being available at that point in the draft. Of course moving up in the third is cheap if you have to.

 

[boozeman]

Take a lap.

 

[Cotton]

Take a lap.

wut

 

[Simpleton]

The challenge is, can you count on him being available with our third? It gets hard when you start banking on a guy being available at that point in the draft. Of course moving up in the third is cheap if you have to.

Yea but there are other 3rd round options like Pierce and a few others.

It really just comes down to whether or not you're comfortable gambling on a guy like Shakir/Pierce being there or an OL/front 7 player, relative to making a decision at 24.

 

[boozeman]

wut

You were timestamped by six minutes.

 

[Cotton]

You were timestamped by six minutes.

Oh. Well, since I didn't know about it, does it still count?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Yea but there are other 3rd round options like Pierce and a few others.

It really just comes down to whether or not you're comfortable gambling on a guy like Shakir/Pierce being there or an OL/front 7 player, relative to making a decision at 24.

I think you get in trouble saying I won't take a receiver in the first because I can get Shakir or Peirce in the third.

But I also don't think you can force a WR in the first just because it is a massive hole. If Burks/Olave is your best player you take them. If they aren't then you don't. You get in trouble in the first doing anything other than just taking the best available dude. I don't even worry about fit a whole lot at that point. Otherwise you pass on a stud pass rusher to take Taco for example. No take the player and adapt your scheme.

Now the challenge of course is when you have more then one guy with equal grades. Then you have to start considering things like you mentioned.

 

[Rev]

Take the Timestamp lap of shame.

 

[Cotton]

Take the Timestamp lap of shame.

Sonofa…

 

[Simpleton]

I think you get in trouble saying I won't take a receiver in the first because I can get Shakir or Peirce in the third.

But I also don't think you can force a WR in the first just because it is a massive hole. If Burks/Olave is your best player you take them. If they aren't then you don't. You get in trouble in the first doing anything other than just taking the best available dude. I don't even worry about fit a whole lot at that point. Otherwise you pass on a stud pass rusher to take Taco for example. No take the player and adapt your scheme.

Now the challenge of course is when you have more then one guy with equal grades. Then you have to start considering things like you mentioned.

My thing is that I don't think the WR's are significantly better than OG's like Green/Zion, or possible defensive prospects like Karlaftis/Dean/Lloyd, which is why I'd go elsewhere.

Generally I agree that if the WR were the clear BPA you do it, I just don't see a scenario like that happening here, even if someone like Wilson or London were available.

And it's not just Pierce/Shakir, those are just my favorites, but I'd be fine with Calvin Austin, David Bell, Metchie, Jalen Tolbert or Wan'Dale Robinson in the 3rd also.

 

[boozeman]

My thing is that I don't think the WR's are significantly better than OG's like Green/Zion, or possible defensive prospects like Karlaftis/Dean/Lloyd, which is why I'd go elsewhere.

Generally I agree that if the WR were the clear BPA you do it, I just don't see a scenario like that happening here, even if someone like Wilson or London were available.

And it's not just Pierce/Shakir, those are just my favorites, but I'd be fine with Calvin Austin, David Bell, Metchie, Jalen Tolbert or Wan'Dale Robinson in the 3rd also.

I would not be happy with David Bell unless it is a lot later than people think he should go.

 

[Simpleton]

I would not be happy with David Bell unless it is a lot later than people think he should go.

Maybe, but I feel like he's a guy who would be a pretty big steal in the 5th, similar to Wilson was a few years ago in the 6th. If we had taken a guy like Wilson in the 3rd, who ended up producing as he did, nobody would've blinked an eye.

I think Bell can do that, although he isn't my top choice in the 3rd by any means.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'd be fine with Calvin Austin, David Bell, Metchie, Jalen Tolbert or Wan'Dale Robinson in the 3rd also.

This is where you lose me. You're listing some guys I would be really unhappy with in the third. Robinson and Austin who to me are gadgety, small receivers who at best are slot guys. David Bell does not belong in the third either. I do not think that those are safe bets to be able to be top 3 receivers as rookies which is a real problem.

I like Pierce and Shakir. They are a couple of my pet cats. So you tell me I'm guaranteed one of them in the third round I'm game. But like I've said before there are lot of talented defenders and guards in this draft that won't go in the first. I wouldn't take a player at one of those positions over an even slightly better WR in the first just because I think I can get a WR later. Get Sam Williams later or Salyer later instead. But if Zion is a better prospect to Olave then take Zion. But there is a reason that I think you'll have a shot at Zion and Green but I doubt you have a shot at one of these WRs except for Burks.

I think you're underrating the first round receivers a lot. If Wilson is there at 24 (He won't be) for example he would almost certainly be by far the BPA in my opinion.

 

[AAron_Burr8]

I would not be happy with David Bell unless it is a lot later than people think he should go.

While Bell is not fast, watch his tape from Purdues big games. He shows up and showed he can seperate vs the better corners. I like Bell a lot as a later round pick.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Maybe, but I feel like he's a guy who would be a pretty big steal in the 5th, similar to Wilson was a few years ago in the 6th. If we had taken a guy like Wilson in the 3rd, who ended up producing as he did, nobody would've blinked an eye.

I think Bell can do that, although he isn't my top choice in the 3rd by any means.

Cedric Wilson was fine but we don't have 4 years to wait for a guy to produce.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

While Bell is not fast, watch his tape from Purdues big games. He shows up and showed he can seperate vs the better corners. I like Bell a lot as a later round pick.

And I do too but not as a guy I'm counting to be a starter at the beginning of 2022. And he tore Iowa up, so I saw first hand what he can do. It may be the reason I like him (As painful as it was as an Iowa fan).

 

[AAron_Burr8]

And I do too but not as a guy I'm counting to be a starter at the beginning of 2022. And he tore Iowa up, so I saw first hand what he can do. It may be the reason I like him (As painful as it was as an Iowa fan).

Ya I watched that Iowa game, Bell dominated lol. I forget was Moss healthy in that game ? I think the production load for 2022 has to go to Lamb (eeek) and Gallup. Bell could easily do what Lamb / Cobb did ...

 

[Simpleton]

Cedric Wilson was fine but we don't have 4 years to wait for a guy to produce.

Wilson was flashing in 2020, and I think even back to 2019 but he got hurt. If we hadn't had an extremely strong trio of WR's at all times throughout his stay until Gallup was injured I think he would've produced like he did last year much earlier.

He was sitting behind Cooper/Gallup/Cobb in 2019, Cooper/Gallup/Lamb after that.

Throw a 2nd-year Wilson behind Lamb/Gallup and a bunch of schlubs I think you'd get around 600-700 yards.

 

[Simpleton]

This is where you lose me. You're listing some guys I would be really unhappy with in the third. Robinson and Austin who to me are gadgety, small receivers who at best are slot guys. David Bell does not belong in the third either. I do not think that those are safe bets to be able to be top 3 receivers as rookies which is a real problem.

I like Pierce and Shakir. They are a couple of my pet cats. So you tell me I'm guaranteed one of them in the third round I'm game. But like I've said before there are lot of talented defenders and guards in this draft that won't go in the first. I wouldn't take a player at one of those positions over an even slightly better WR in the first just because I think I can get a WR later. Get Sam Williams later or Salyer later instead. But if Zion is a better prospect to Olave then take Zion. But there is a reason that I think you'll have a shot at Zion and Green but I doubt you have a shot at one of these WRs except for Burks.

I think you're underrating the first round receivers a lot. If Wilson is there at 24 (He won't be) for example he would almost certainly be by far the BPA in my opinion.

I honestly don't think Wilson is that much better of a prospect than Zion, same with London. Jameson Williams is the only guy who I think would be a clear-cut BPA but of course he has the injury concern.

In terms of the 3rd round guys, I'd be perfectly comfortable with pretty much any of those as our 3rd behind Lamb/Gallup in what should be a more run-oriented/play-action offense. A guy like Austin specifically, you say he's a gadget guy, and maybe he is to some extent but that's why we have Lamb/Gallup. A 4.3 guy like Austin as our WR3 out of the slot could really open things up for Lamb/Schultz underneath.

If they want some high-flying passing game that throws the ball 35+ times a game then I get it, we need better than a Wan'Dale Robinson as our 3rd WR, but I think that's an idiotic idea.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I honestly don't think Wilson is that much better of a prospect than Zion, same with London. Jameson Williams is the only guy who I think would be a clear-cut BPA but of course he has the injury concern.

In terms of the 3rd round guys, I'd be perfectly comfortable with pretty much any of those as our 3rd behind Lamb/Gallup in what should be a more run-oriented/play-action offense. A guy like Austin specifically, you say he's a gadget guy, and maybe he is to some extent but that's why we have Lamb/Gallup. A 4.3 guy like Austin as our WR3 out of the slot could really open things up for Lamb/Schultz underneath.

If they want some high-flying passing game that throws the ball 35+ times a game then I get it, we need better than a Wan'Dale Robinson as our 3rd WR, but I think that's an idiotic idea.

I think we need a legit number 2 WR. Gallup isn't going to be ready for the first month or two of the season. And honestly, I don't think Gallup is a good enough #2 if you don't have a true number 1 WR. So basically yeah, I think we need to be hunting a legit 1 or 2 WR in this draft and not just a gadget guy. It's why letting Cooper go was dumb as shit.

I wouldn't say we need a high flying passing offense but we aren't going to be a dominant running team next year. First of all I don't think Moore and McCarthy have any idea how to do that. Second of all Zeke should prevent any thought of it. What we need to do it pass protect Dak better. And then probably still be a bit of a high flying passing team. Because that's what our coaches know and frankly Dak is a pretty damn good passer when he has really good protection. 35 times a game shouldn't be a problem for him at all. Just as long as it's not 50 passes a game. That's where we get in trouble.