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Awuzie and Byron Jones look really mediocre. If they’re not getting beat they simply have their back to the ball
 

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He should get an interview but he's not as hot of a HC commodity as i would have thought just a couple years ago.

I also like the strides kitna and moore are making with Dak, but want neither as the HC.

My bet is Jerry finds a defensive guy who'll retain the offensive coaches.
sounds about right, deck chairs on the titanic......
 

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Until Jerry's gone, that's all we've got.

Is there a way to force him to hire and respect a new GM?

Tell me, i'm all ears.
none that are realistic

something I do think would have great effect on him which also won't ever happen because fans are too stupid to unite is if no one listened, watched or read any radio shows, interviews, TV shows, articles with or about him. To the point where all media completely ignored him because of how the ratings plummet when he's on their medium. If that ever happened and he got zero attention including from fans in person (imagine no one asking for autographs), he might die from a broken heart.

I think the fame and attention is what matters most to him at this point in life, there's nothing he cant buy, most of which he can no longer enjoy. He's made more money than can be spent on enjoying lifes pleasures.

PS...imo, running the Cowboys his way gives him the most pleasure despite being completely inadequate for the job and unsuccessful so to him, walking away from this role is tantamount to putting both feet in the grave
 

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Yep and Jerry hasn’t learned or simply refuses to acknowledge that getting lucky in an oil buy by rolling the dice because you are flat broke really doesn’t have any damn correlation with football.
Until Jerry's gone, that's all we've got.

Is there a way to force him to hire and respect a new GM?

Tell me, i'm all ears.
Forget the ears. How about your eyes, those big puppy brown eyes you have that see signs...big signs along the highway that provide persuasion in 2 seconds as you zip by at 85mph.

What do they call those signs?

Oh yeah, harbingers of a rebellion...a fan rebellion.
 

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Forget the ears. How about your eyes, those big puppy brown eyes you have that see signs...big signs along the highway that provide persuasion in 2 seconds as you zip by at 85mph.

What do they call those signs?

Oh yeah, harbingers of a rebellion...a fan rebellion.
I believe we've determined that this approach isn't possible.

There are fans who want the team to perform well, but I we're outnumbered by folks who just want to wear the star and shout yeehaw.

A few thousand active and engaged fans boycotting the top grossing team in the world aren't going to impact the profits enough to turn the margins in the slightest.

Kindest & warmest regards,
William Board (shoutout and all props to @Carp )
 

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none that are realistic

something I do think would have great effect on him which also won't ever happen because fans are too stupid to unite is if no one listened, watched or read any radio shows, interviews, TV shows, articles with or about him. To the point where all media completely ignored him because of how the ratings plummet when he's on their medium. If that ever happened and he got zero attention including from fans in person (imagine no one asking for autographs), he might die from a broken heart.

I think the fame and attention is what matters most to him at this point in life, there's nothing he cant buy, most of which he can no longer enjoy. He's made more money than can be spent on enjoying lifes pleasures.

PS...imo, running the Cowboys his way gives him the most pleasure despite being completely inadequate for the job and unsuccessful so to him, walking away from this role is tantamount to putting both feet in the grave
You're right...if we don't win Jerry's way, we just won't win.

He's still trying to prove to someone that he's not a fluke.
 

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You're kidding, right? Unless somebody is at the level of Sean Payton, they wouldn't be an upgrade to Jason Garrett? GTFO.
That’s not what I said. I said for what Dallas needs. In order to take this team to the Super Bowl again it will take someone to the level or above Payton. I didn’t reference Garrett at all. Are you just looking for something to jump on.?
 

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That's exactly what you said. You did not have this extra criteria in the first post. But, whatever. I'm not playing this stupid shit with you again.
 

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This is basically the argument. No Sean Payton? No other potential Super Bowl coaches? Might as well stick with Garrett.
So you make your own analysis of what I said? Then declare it as true? There is nothing in my comment about Garrett. I am on record for a long time as one who thinks Garrett should have been gone a long time ago.
 

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That's exactly what you said. You did not have this extra criteria in the first post. But, whatever. I'm not playing this stupid shit with you again.
Nor did I reference Garrett at all. It not a game and you made another presumptuous decision as to what I said. You have a knack for that.
 

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That's exactly what you said. You did not have this extra criteria in the first post. But, whatever. I'm not playing this stupid shit with you again.
That's not exactly what I said. But just keep on with the presumption.
 

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That’s not what I said. I said for what Dallas needs. In order to take this team to the Super Bowl again it will take someone to the level or above Payton. I didn’t reference Garrett at all. Are you just looking for something to jump on.?
I'm your Huckleberry. So, if we can't get a coach at Sean Payton's level or above, would you keep Jason Garrett or not?
 

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I'm your Huckleberry. So, if we can't get a coach at Sean Payton's level or above, would you keep Jason Garrett or not?
There are strong candidates available. No fucking way do you keep him (Garrett).
 

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I'm your Huckleberry. So, if we can't get a coach at Sean Payton's level or above, would you keep Jason Garrett or not?
No. The whole premise is that Garrett needs to go and his replacement should be at a level on par with Payton.
 

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No. The whole premise is that Garrett needs to go and his replacement should be at a level on par with Payton.
The point is there is a huge gap between Garrett and Payton, so there are coaches in between the two talent levels. So, if we can't get Payton, do you take a coach in between?
 

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The point is there is a huge gap between Garrett and Payton, so there are coaches in between the two talent levels. So, if we can't get Payton, do you take a coach in between?
No. My position is to go for a high level proven commodity because there has already been too much time wasted. Don't ask me who because there aren't that many available and I'm aware of the difficulty but still as I said that is what Dallas needs.
 

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No. My position is to go for a high level proven commodity because there has already been too much time wasted. Don't ask me who because there aren't that many available and I'm aware of the difficulty but still as I said that is what Dallas needs.
So, you do keep Garrett if you can't get a Payton-level coach.
 

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So, you do keep Garrett if you can't get a Payton-level coach.
No again. Regardless Garrett needs to go. There is nowhere I have advocated keeping Garrett. He is a proven failure. Dallas might have to settle for less than what they need but still they need a payton type.
 

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No again. Regardless Garrett needs to go. There is nowhere I have advocated keeping Garrett. He is a proven failure. Dallas might have to settle for less than what they need but still they need a payton type.
You are advocating keeping Garrett if you won't take a coach below Payton's level.
 

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You are advocating keeping Garrett if you won't take a coach below Payton's level.
That isn't correct. The only thing I am and have advocated is getting a coach that has the quality level to that of Payton. There isn’t one word where I have included Garrett in the conversation. It’s a foregone conclusion that Garrett needs to go. For anyone to think I am saying he needs to stay otherwise is pure presumptive imagination on their part. There is nothing in my post that even hints that Garrett should be retained under any circumstance. It is almost comedic to see the questions trying to pigeon me into having made such a statement. Just take it for what I stated. Dallas needs a coach that is along the Payton genre and nothing more. It virtually saying that Garrett should be replaced if one has to include his name in the thought process. Just let it be what it is.
 

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That isn't correct. The only thing I am and have advocated is getting a coach that has the quality level to that of Payton. There isn’t one word where I have included Garrett in the conversation. It’s a foregone conclusion that Garrett needs to go. For anyone to think I am saying he needs to stay otherwise is pure presumptive imagination on their part. There is nothing in my post that even hints that Garrett should be retained under any circumstance. It is almost comedic to see the questions trying to pigeon me into having made such a statement. Just take it for what I stated. Dallas needs a coach that is along the Payton genre and nothing more. It virtually saying that Garrett should be replaced if one has to include his name in the thought process. Just let it be what it is.
Yeah, so weird of me to include Garrett's name in the conversation since, you know, he is the current coach. You said you would not take a coach lower than Payton's level. That implicitly implies that if you can't get a coach of that level, you don't make a change. But, then you say Garrett has to go regardless. I'm just trying to clarify the disparity in your ramblings.
 

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Yeah, so weird of me to include Garrett's name in the conversation since, you know, he is the current coach. You said you would not take a coach lower than Payton's level. That implicitly implies that if you can't get a coach of that level, you don't make a change. But, then you say Garrett has to go regardless. I'm just trying to clarify the disparity in your ramblings.
I said the coach needs to be at the level of Payton. I also said in other posts I realize the difficulty of finding such a coach but still that’s the level to target. I implied nothing about Garrett being retained and it’s ridiculous to try to say I did.
 

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That’s not what I said. I said for what Dallas needs. In order to take this team to the Super Bowl again it will take someone to the level or above Payton. I didn’t reference Garrett at all. Are you just looking for something to jump on.?
You do realize there have been several coaches, not on the level of Sean Payton, who have managed to make it to conference championships and Super Bowls, right?

Ron Rivera, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Dan Quinn, Ken Whisenhunt, Gary Kubiak are just a few that immediately come to mind.

It doesn't take a Hall of Fame level coach to reach Super Bowls and conference title games in the modern NFL. If you have a talented roster and a head coach who actually understands situational football and who doesn't simply gloss over the details during the practice week, there's a very good chance that your team wins or at least makes an appearance in the conference title game.

Also, winning at that level requires a coach who is not afraid to go out and win the game. Garrett come outs coaching scared in every single late season big game. Same with playoff games. It doesn't take a Sean Payton level coach to not punt the ball on 4th and 1 from your opponent's 45 yard line.
 
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Piss off, Jerry.
I like that Jerry is not getting off the hook. I've noticed quite a few members of the national media are aiming their sights at Jerry Jones as ultimately being the problem. There have even been a few former Cowboys like Marcus Spears who are placing the blame squarely on Jerry for hanging on to average coaches too long and embracing mediocrity.

All of this won't change anything. But it makes me feel a little better knowing he's receiving some of the hate mail as well.
 

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I like that Jerry is not getting off the hook. I've noticed quite a few members of the national media are aiming their sights at Jerry Jones as ultimately being the problem. There have even been a few former Cowboys like Marcus Spears who are placing the blame squarely on Jerry for hanging on to average coaches too long and embracing mediocrity.

All of this won't change anything. But it makes me feel a little better knowing he's receiving some of the hate mail as well.
It makes me feel awesome. Doesn’t change anything but any time that mf’er has to sweat it’s a good day. He is the only person on the planet I hate more than Jason Garrett.
 

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You do realize there have been several coaches, not on the level of Sean Payton, who have managed to make it to conference championships and Super Bowls, right?

Ron Rivera, Chuck Pagano, Rex Ryan, Dan Quinn, Ken Whisenhunt, Gary Kubiak are just a few that immediately come to mind.

It doesn't take a Hall of Fame level coach to reach Super Bowls and conference title games in the modern NFL. If you have a talented roster and a head coach who actually understands situational football and who doesn't simply gloss over the details during the practice week, there's a very good chance that your team wins or at least makes an appearance in the conference title game.

Also, winning at that level requires a coach who is not afraid to go out and win the game. Garrett come outs coaching scared in every single late season big game. Same with playoff games. It doesn't take a Sean Payton level coach to not punt the ball on 4th and 1 from your opponent's 45 yard line.
All of that is fine. I wasn’t trying to cover evert contingency toward seeking a new coach, I was expressing my preference as to what I think a new coach should be. All of the other gaff about me saying or implying that Garrett should be retained otherwise became a lot of useless flack that was from out of the blue. If I was trying to convey that point I would have simply said otherwise Garrett should be retained. I would have clarified my opinion in that regard by just stating it that way. I am still at a loss as to how an “implication “ was derived when I could have simply said it if that is what I meant.

I fully understand that there may other candidates that the organization may have to choose from but the guideline of Paytons level is my opinion of what I think the organization “needs”. Garrett being retained otherwise is simply from someone else’s mind. I am astutely aware that Garrett is an albatross to the organization. Thanks for indulging me.
 

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I'm cool with an unproven NFL coach because proven great NFL coaches are rarely available. Interview guys and find the right one. It's not rocket science.
 

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I'm done. @NoDak, tag me out.
Fuck that noise. I wasn't kidding when I said I wasn't playing his stupid games. Dude says we need a coach on the level of Sean Payton. It's obvious that the mystery person he's imagining would replace Jason Garrett, but if you bring up Garrett's name? DDUUUURRRRRR!! DATS NOT WUT I SED!!!
 
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