Schefter: Dallas could take another look at Manziel

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Garrett should be fired regardless. Along with the entire offensive staff. For the teams sake. Him not being a good coach for Johnny is the same reason he isn't the right coach for the Cowboys.
I agree he should but I don't think it's going to happen right away. My feeling is that Jones has already given a pass for this season. Garrett will be here for next season.
 

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I agree he should but I don't think it's going to happen right away. My feeling is that Jones has already given a pass for this season. Garrett will be here for next season.
I've never seen a coach get so many passes. I'm not disagreeing that it'll happen. But considering Jones' extremely finite years on this earth, and the overall effect another year might have on his 4 billion dollar franchise, cutting losses with Garrett should just be seen as a necessary sacrifice.
 

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I've never seen a coach get so many passes. I'm not disagreeing that it'll happen. But considering Jones' extremely finite years on this earth, and the overall effect another year might have on his 4 billion dollar franchise, cutting losses with Garrett should just be seen as a necessary sacrifice.
I'm younger than Jones and he probably doesn't think in those terms.
 

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I almost rather give a cheaper Manziel a shot than throwaway millions on Stafford after the Lions are done with him.
You make a good point there. I personally think Stafford will be far too expensive to bring in. If we're not going to address the position in the draft then I would much rather give a shot at Manziel for cheap.
 

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Meh to Stafford and definitely Hell No to Johnny Manziel. The kid is weak and can't play with the big boys.

Stafford is too expensive, but at least he wouldn't be a waste of time. He has a cannon, although he might be dumb as a log.

Stafford is a surefire NFL starter, but I don't know if he's a Superbowl caliber one.
 
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You make a good point there. I personally think Stafford will be far too expensive to bring in. If we're not going to address the position in the draft then I would much rather give a shot at Manziel for cheap.
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Nonsense. There's no such thing as too expensive when you're talking about a good starting QB.
 

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Sherrington: Destiny, baby! Why Johnny Manziel will likely end up with Cowboys

Consider Johnny Manziel's timeline since Jerry Jones practically had to be gang-tackled to keep from drafting him in 2014:

* Late to a Cleveland training camp meeting.
* Misses a walk-through.
* Fails to prepare for his job.
* Promises to do better.
* Parties.
* Hears his bosses say they're "alarmed" by his behavior.
* Spends 10 weeks in rehab.
* Questioned by police after reports that he drove on the shoulder at high speeds and argued with his girlfriend, who tells witnesses he hit her.
* Parties.
* Promises not to do anything to further embarrass the organization after being named the starter.
* Parties again, then reportedly lies about it.
* Benched.
* Comes back this week and is asked, because he didn't exactly seem to agree with his benching, not to mention that the Browns' owner doesn't seem wild about him, either, wouldn't it be better to play for someone who has no problems with all of the above?

One guess as to whom the question referenced. Jerry and Johnny.

Destiny, baby.

Unless Manziel wins at least two of the Browns' last four games against the 49ers, Seahawks, Chiefs and Steelers -- and if he manages that, they may erect a statue of him in Cleveland, where they've started 22 quarterbacks since 1999 -- he'll end up a Cowboy.

A prudent man would check out Manziel's professional track record and weep for joy that he didn't make the mistake the Browns did. He'd have seen the confirmation of what many suspected and thank heaven he drafted, say, one of the game's best guards, Zack Martin, instead.

But a prudent man probably wouldn't have bought the Cowboys in 1989, as Jerry rebuked Stephen when he talked him out of picking Manziel.

Whatever else you think of Jerry, he's a man of vision, and this is the one he can't get out of his head: Manziel running wild at Texas A&M, where he was, indeed, one of the most electrifying players ever to play college football. He made more out of nothing than all of your ex-wives put together.

Manziel didn't just win the Heisman, he was Johnny Football, made-to-order marketing phenomenon. It was the perfect match. Jerry isn't attracted to the ordinary. He didn't try buying the Lions. Had Jerry been around in the ninth century, the Mayans would still be a franchise.

And if he breaks a few eggs building his dynasty, what's the harm, right? At least that's how Jerry sees it. There are a couple of reasons he seems attracted to all the wrong players. For one thing, he's no angel himself. And as I once asked my lovely wife, why does everyone say you dated the wildest boys in high school? "Because they were the cutest," she said, without so much as a second thought.

Probably only a coincidence that she's from Arkansas, too.

Anyway, this is how the cycle works: Jerry brings in talented, if suspect, customers. We protest. He ignores us. And on and on and on.

From Charles Haley all the way through to Greg Hardy, the guys who came with extra baggage made up in talent what they sorely lacked in charisma.

But here's where Johnny Football would differ, and why Jerry can't stop talking about him: He's the prodigal son Jerry never had.

Never mind that he'd be an awful fit, purely from a football perspective. As I wrote when Johnny was coming out of college, he needed to go where a team tailored its offense to suit his talents. The NFL is not a particularly creative place. What works for one winning team, everyone copies. Even at that, just when it looked as if the league might accommodate quarterbacks who were a little outside the box, one by one each flopped.

The Cowboys, in particular, are as conventional as they come offensively.

They certainly won't operate one offense for Tony Romo and another for Manziel. Johnny will be forced to learn a timing-based offense that goes against his grain.

Even if you could ignore what's happened in Cleveland, which many of you are more than glad to do, there's no overlooking his performance on the field.

Granted, he doesn't get a lot of help. But he's completed only 59.4 percent of his passes this season, which stands as progress from his rookie year. His quarterback rating is 54.2. Marcus Mariota, the Tennessee rookie, has a rating of 95.1. Jameis Winston's is 85.6. Matt Hasselbeck's is 89.5, and he's old enough to be Johnny's father.

Without question, Johnny needs time and the Cowboys need a quarterback they can develop, but I have a hard time envisioning those prospects working in tandem. Now, I appreciate Michael Irvin's pitch. He insists this is the perfect place for Manziel because Dallas gave Irvin a second chance. The difference, of course, is that Irvin was a receiver, not a quarterback, which come only one per starting unit. Irvin's quarterback was the strong, silent type who showed up to support him in his trials and tribulations. Heaven forbid it should have to work the other way around. Dez has never played that side of the field.

But, hey, except for me going on the record, none of this matters one whit. If the Browns are willing, and I think they will be, Jerry will get his man at last.

Stephen and the rest will cave in, if for no other reason than to just shut the old man up.
 

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Nonsense. There's no such thing as too expensive when you're talking about a good starting QB.
You have a point, but that level of commitment comes with expectations.

You want to commit the kind of cap space Stafford will demand to a Superbowl-caliber QB, not just a good starter.

At least with a draft pick, you have up to 5 years in your system to decide whether he's worth that investment. He might even win a Superbowl in his rookie contract like Big Ben or Russell Wilson. That extra cap space is valuable when building a team.

Stafford is a cap-sucking gamble from day one. Your team had already better be built and he'd better be able to take you the distance. As we've learned, Dallas isn't built the right way.

They badly need Romo's play-making ability. They badly need two strong RB's. They have no strength in the entire defensive interior.
 

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Nonsense. There's no such thing as too expensive when you're talking about a good starting QB.
No but there is such a thing as too expensive for an average starting QB. You don't want to get locked in on a QB that ultimately you'll want to improve on every year. No one wants to invest a fortune in a QB who can't get you to the playoffs regularly.
 

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No but there is such a thing as too expensive for an average starting QB. You don't want to get locked in on a QB that ultimately you'll want to improve on every year. No one wants to invest a fortune in a QB who can't get you to the playoffs regularly.
Also known as a "Jay Cutler" situation.
 

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No but there is such a thing as too expensive for an average starting QB. You don't want to get locked in on a QB that ultimately you'll want to improve on every year. No one wants to invest a fortune in a QB who can't get you to the playoffs regularly.
Which is why I said good QB not average QB.

The point is, if you have a good QB on the free agent market (like Stafford), price shouldn't keep you from signing him unless you are likely to have an opportunity to draft one.

Because the alternative is trying to get by with a Fitzpatrick type, or a Manziel type.
 

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Which is why I said good QB not average QB.

The point is, if you have a good QB on the free agent market (like Stafford), price shouldn't keep you from signing him unless you are likely to have an opportunity to draft one.

Because the alternative is trying to get by with a Fitzpatrick type, or a Manziel type.
A good QB can carry a franchise. Stafford clearly can't do that.
 
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