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Cowboysrock55

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It was a creative metaphor. You know I also meant that Romney didn't have a literal clock that was dirty right? Like using words to mean other things than their strict dictionary purpose, to lend a since of narrative to what might otherwise be a dry topic. Yes it's a competition, with a clear winner and a clear loser. Usually flaws can be pointed to in the loser's camp.
No but they are emotional filled words like someone uses when describing a sporting event. When you start using terms similar to the terms people use when describing their sports team winning or losing against their rival, it certainly makes you fall into that category.
 

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No but they are emotional filled words like someone uses when describing a sporting event. When you start using terms similar to the terms people use when describing their sports team winning or losing against their rival, it certainly makes you fall into that category.
Well if Obama had lost, I would have said he got his clock cleaned, same as Kerry did in 04. I think you're describing preference where there was little. I didn't ever vote for Obama.

In retrospect I think he did a better job than Mitt would have, but I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012.

I think you're more comfortable seeing me as some kind of "other" arguing for team blue, and so that's what you've come to see every one of my posts as.
 

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Don't underestimate the effect of Johnson refusing to run for office. When the sitting incumbent fucks up so badly that he can't even stand to run again, you're party is probably in a bad place. Yes liberals probably aren't going to turn out for the successor of the guy who embroiled us in Vietnam, and then turned tail, and yes the civil rights movement deeply alienated the white southerners the GOP has leaned on since. But the Southern strategy

The difference is that Republicans are still stuck getting all the worse headlines. Rick Scott, Rick Snyder, Bobby Jindhal, Dennis Hastert, and the entire clown caravan that is this primary has been murder on them. Meanwhile Barack's been able to quietly kill people with sky assassins, and no one gives a damn. No one has "Hey Hey BHO" chants.
Problem is, Hillary is the racist southern war hawk. Puts her solidly in the LBJ category with liberal voters. They aren't chanting about Obama, and they may elect her, but when she drags us into Libya and Syria, they will be chanting. Also look out for her to quietly do NOTHING for women either.
 

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How do you know. The evidential hearings have been delayed several times.
There have been no call for evidentiary hearings as far as I can tell, everybody is waiting for the FBI report.

When were they delayed and who is calling for these hearings I can find nothing about.

In fact the emails where already a part of the Benghazi hearings.
 

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It's hard to get young people to turn out to vote, period. Hillary got out a bunch of old people and the energy of the Bernie campaign died in NY's closed primary. They aren't going to vote for trump but a lot of them are massively disappointed that they get at best an establishment politician they hate. Young liberals were completely turned off by George McGovern's social conservatism and failed to turn out in droves when he ran against Nixon, who famously used the "Southern Strategy" to turn out angry rednecks to support him.
Nope


The Cure to Hillary Clinton's Problem With Millennials? Donald Trump.
Clinton would crush the Republican front-runner among young voters in the fall.
—By Patrick Caldwell | Tue Mar. 15, 2016 2:29 PM EDT

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Hillary Clinton has struggled mightily to convince young Democrats to support her in her bid to defeat Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination. The socialist senator from Vermont has dominated the under-30 crowd across the country so far in primaries and caucuses. When Sanders won the Michigan primary on Tuesday in a major upset, he carried the 18- to 29-year-old age bracket by an 81-18 percent margin. Even when Clinton wins a state handily, she struggles with young voters; Clinton won Virginia by 29 percentage points on March 1, but she lost young voters by 38 points.

But those lousy numbers likely won't carry over to the general election if she faces off against Donald Trump. A new poll from USA Today/Rock the Vote shows Clinton crushing Trump by a margin of 52-19 percent among voters under the age of 35. Almost a quarter of young Republicans would vote for Clinton, according to the poll. Young voters across demographic lines prefer Clinton to Trump, with African Americans favoring Clinton 67-5 percent.
WASHINGTON — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has expanded his double-digit lead among Millennials in the Democratic presidential race, but a new USA TODAY/Rock the Vote poll finds a way for Hillary Clinton to solve her generation gap: Donald Trump.

Opposition to Trump nearly unites the rising generation.

In a hypothetical Clinton v. Trump contest in November, voters under 35 would choose Clinton by a crushing 52%-19%, a preference that crosses demographic lines. Among whites, she'd be backed by nearly 2-1, 45%-26%. Among Hispanics, by more than 4-1, 61%-14%. Among Asian Americans, by 5-1, 60%-11%. Among African Americans, by 13-1, 67%-5%.

And the yawning gender gap she has against Sanders would vanish: Clinton would carry young men and women by almost identical margins of more than 2-1.

Nearly one in four Republicans would defect to the Democrats if the GOP nominated Trump against Clinton. Just 7% of Democrats would defect to the GOP.

"Trump would kind of make a mockery out of America," worries Cameron Lee Craig, 25, a stay-at-home mom from Amelia, Ohio, who was among those surveyed. "He's kind of a jerk."

The poll, the second in a series, is part of USA TODAY's One Nation initiative, a series of forums across the country on the most important issues of 2016. The online survey, taken by Ipsos March 3-10, polled 1,541 adults ages 18 to 34.
 

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How do you know? The evidential hearings have been delayed several times.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/hillary-clinton-benghazi-testimony-delayed-emails-117771

Same process with the evidence the FBI and Justice department on the email server of hers and classified documents. You would have to be in a bubble not to be aware of this.
That has nothing to do with the email investigation.

And oh by the way those hearings actually happened in Oct of last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/22/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi-hearing-takeaways/

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Facebook memes are a pretty powerful persuader for the weak minded and easily influenced.

Look at Bipo.
Yeah 12 and 13 year olds are constantly sending each other Trump memes.:dunce

And they are not on Facebook so much either.
 

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There have been no call for evidentiary hearings as far as I can tell, everybody is waiting for the FBI report.

When were they delayed and who is calling for these hearings I can find nothing about.

In fact the emails where already a part of the Benghazi hearings.
The FBI reports are regarding the classified emails and personal server. The Senate Committee hearings are on the Benghasi Embassy matter and communications regarding that. They are separate matters. She is stonewalling the Senate on all the email matters there and the FBI is stalling because the Justice Department won't give them the go ahead yet.
 
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Yeah 12 and 13 year olds are constantly sending each other Trump memes.:dunce

And they are not on Facebook so much either.
Who said anything about constantly? Wouldn't be inserting words and meanings to try and drive your point again, would you? :dunce indeed.

I have a 13 year old daughter, and her and her friends are posting Trump memes like they are the funniest thing to ever hit the internet. And I'd be willing to bet 99.9% of him don't have half a clue what most of them mean.
 

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Problem is, Hillary is the racist southern war hawk. Puts her solidly in the LBJ category with liberal voters. They aren't chanting about Obama, and they may elect her, but when she drags us into Libya and Syria, they will be chanting. Also look out for her to quietly do NOTHING for women either.
She's not exactly from the south. She's not anymore southern than she is a New Yorker. But she heavily commands the black vote compared to Bernie, so whether or not you believe she is racist (I'm certain she is in some facet or another) is incidental to the actual results. Besides you were comparing her to McGovern, who had a much harder act to follow than she does. LBJ actually devastated the anti-establishment republican, with vocal support from the KKK. So if that's what your comparing Hillary to, I believe we will have a similar electoral outcome to Johnson vs. Goldwater.
 

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So a stale but viable candidate from the GOP failed to overtake a president with unfavorability ratings similar to Hillary's, but an extremist presidential candidate who has willfully alienated every kind of undecided voters (as well as moderate republicans and actual conservatives) is going to win against a candidate of similar popularity.

Let's face it, nearly everyone to whom Hillary is a swear word, would never have voted for Obama anyway. They're candidates of comparable popularity, riding the waves of Republican incompetence that propel them to office. Now all the things the GOP has been accused of, that lost them previous elections, they've openly admitted by selecting Trump as a candidate.

Romney lost because he could not expand the Republican base and recruit new demographics. Do you think demographic diversity has increased in the 2016 GOP? Or has it collapsed in on itself like a dying star?
I supported Obama from the start, just like Bernie now. I will never support Hillary. The democrats have never nominated a candidate with unfavorable numbers like Hillary.

Jill Stein for me now.
 

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I supported Obama from the start, just like Bernie now. I will never support Hillary. The democrats have never nominated a candidate with unfavorable numbers like Hillary.

Jill Stein for me now.
I appreciate your crowd,Hillary is going to be doing backflips to cater to you, so that's good. When she's inevitably president, we're going to be depending on pressure from the liberal wing to keep her war hawkish tendencies at bay.
 

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I appreciate your crowd,Hillary is going to be doing backflips to cater to you, so that's good. When she's inevitably president, we're going to be depending on pressure from the liberal wing to keep her war hawkish tendencies at bay.
I don't think it's inevitable. If she does win the progressive wing will being pushing her worthless ass daily.
 

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I've never really understood people that treat this like a sporting event. Like you root for the Democrats because that's your team, and you're going to talk about beating your rival Republicans ass or cleaning their clock.

Just never made sense to me but lots of people act that way like you do. It's not a competition. It's politics. It's about the future of the country, it's not about knowing you're a fan of the winning team.
I agree, also when people demonize and vilify the other party just because they disagree with their political opinions. I mean literally demonize. It's retarded.

You can't have a serious discussion with someone who thinks Bush is Hitler or Cruz is Lucifer or whatever.
 

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Who said anything about constantly? Wouldn't be inserting words and meanings to try and drive your point again, would you? :dunce indeed.

I have a 13 year old daughter, and her and her friends are posting Trump memes like they are the funniest thing to ever hit the internet. And I'd be willing to bet 99.9% of him don't have half a clue what most of them mean.
If you say so.
 

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Nothing in there says any hearings have been delayed.

So where are these hearings you were going on about?
Your perception should see that this is the gist of the article and the FBI is dragging their feet. The hearings are a different matter than the FBI investigation. The Senate hearings are about Behngazhi and the FBI is about her personal email server. I initially referenced the FBI matter.
 
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