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If it were up to McCain we'd be engaged in a couple more wars by now. I don't think Cheney wanted a war in Iraq as badly as he did.
 

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I'd consider John Kasich, but he doesn't seem to have much of a chance since (R) has evidently opened voting in the primary this year to 12 year olds.
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http://nbc4i.com/2016/02/21/kasich-signs-planned-parenthood-bill/


Kasich signs Ohio bill diverting Planned Parenthood funding

By Associated Press
Published: February 21, 2016, 11:48 am Updated: February 21, 2016, 4:46 pm


COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Gov. John Kasich signed legislation Sunday to strip government money from PlannedParenthood in Ohio, a day after the Republican presidential contender’s weak performance in his party’s South Carolina primary.
The expected action came despite calls for a veto by some legislative Democrats and several newspaper editorials.
The governor did not sign the bill in public. His office made the announcement in a statement.
The legislation targets the roughly $1.3 million in funding that Planned Parenthood receives through Ohio’s health department. The money, which is mostly federal, supports HIV testing, breast and cervical cancer screenings, and prevention of violence against women.
The legislation prohibits such funds from going to entities that perform or promote abortions, their affiliates and those that contract with an entity that performs abortions.
The bill doesn’t name Planned Parenthood, but backers of the legislation have acknowledged the organization will be the most affected. They want the money to go to health centers and other providers that do not perform abortions.
Opponents say the measure puts politics ahead of people’s health care.
State and federal laws already prohibit taxpayer funds from being used to pay for abortions, except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.
A Planned Parenthood leader in Ohio has emphasized the organization’s doors would remain open, but its community health programs would be cut. The group says programs targeted in the bill helped Planned Parenthood in the last year to provide more than 47,000 STD tests and 3,600 HIV tests to Ohioans, serve nearly 2,800 new or expectant mothers, and inform young people and women about healthy relationships.
Kasich’s actions betray thousands of Ohioans who rely on the agency’s work, said Planned Parenthood spokeswoman Amelia Hayes.
“Gov. Kasich should be ashamed for claiming he is invested in the fight against infant mortality while simultaneously defunding one of the best programs in the state for young mothers and their children,” she said.
Ohio Democratic Party chairman David Pepper said Kasich has aligned himself with Tea Party conservatives over the wishes of most state residents. Joe Schiavoni, the state Senate’s top-ranking Democrat, said the cuts will devastate Ohio’s ability to help some of its most underserved residents.
Lawmakers approved the legislation Feb. 10, but Kasich’s office did not receive it until Thursday.
The measure follows an outcry among abortion opponents around the country after the release of secretly recorded videos by activists alleging that Planned Parenthood sold fetal tissue to researchers for a profit in violation of federal law.
Planned Parenthood has called the videos misleading and denied any wrongdoing, saying a handful of its clinics provided fetal tissue for research while receiving only permissible reimbursement for costs.
Three of Planned Parenthood’s 28 locations in Ohio provide abortions. The organization has said it has no fetal tissue donation program in Ohio, where such donations are illegal.
 

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Charles Koch says he agrees with Bernie Sanders — on one issue


Bernie Sanders probably never expected to hear the words “I agree” from one of the Koch brothers.

Billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch are at the helm of a political organization that spends hundreds of millions of dollars pushing free-market ideas in elections — and Sanders has made no secret of his disdain for them.

Sanders, a Vermont independent senator and democratic socialist, consistently cites the Kochs as he warns against the country’s shift toward an "oligarchic society" where a handful of billionaires control the economic and political system as the gap between the rich and poor widens.

It turns out, Charles Koch thinks he’s right — at least, when it comes to a “rigged” political and economic system.

The chairman and chief executive of Koch Industries, in a Washington Post op-ed, wrote: “The senator is upset with a political and economic system that is often rigged to help the privileged few at the expense of everyone else, particularly the least advantaged. He believes that we have a two-tiered society that increasingly dooms millions of our fellow citizens to lives of poverty and hopelessness. He thinks many corporations seek and benefit from corporate welfare while ordinary citizens are denied opportunities and a level playing field.

“I agree with him,” he wrote.

No response from the Sanders campaign.


Koch writes that Sanders often sounds as though he’s running as much against him as actual presidential candidates. He says he opposes Sanders’ desire to expand the federal government’s “control over people’s lives.”

But Koch writes policies that pick winners and losers have perpetuated a “cycle of control, dependency, cronyism and poverty” in the U.S. That impedes progress and moves the country away from a “society of mutual benefit,” he wrote.

Koch also says he shares Sanders’ views on the need for criminal justice reform.

So is this an endorsement in the making?

“Hardly,” Koch writes.

And that’s probably OK with Sanders.
 

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Now that's laying the smackdown.

Too bad that is not what Bernie is advocating for but school tuition and fees have gotten totally out of hand, I graduated College in the early 90's and it was still somewhat affordable then.

What the hell happened?

This is a prime example of the free market run amuck and why the middle class is hrinking and the wealth is concentrating at the top.

It's why everybody does not have an equal chance anymore.
 
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Now that's laying the smackdown.
Not really. The two sides are arguing different things. One is arguing against a free education. The other is arguing that the cost of college has gone up too much. Free education isn't the solution to the cost of college being too high (Afterall free education isn't really free, it's just that the cost is shifted to someone else). I agree that the cost of education is too high and I also think that giving everyone a free education is one of the dumbest things you could do.
 

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Not really. The two sides are arguing different things. One is arguing against a free education. The other is arguing that the cost of college has gone up too much. Free education isn't the solution to the cost of college being too high (Afterall free education isn't really free, it's just that the cost is shifted to someone else). I agree that the cost of education is too high and I also think that giving everyone a free education is one of the dumbest things you could do.
I'm sure that reply was linked to a longer conversation and I was refering to people out there complaining about how the young and poor are lazy and everyone has an equal chance if they apply themselves.
 

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I guess we can also table that inane accusation that all Democrats want is free stuff since Bernie is offering the farm and he still can't win consistently.

But hey Obama phones and stuff.:lol
 

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Now that's laying the smackdown.

Too bad that is not what Bernie is advocating for but school tuition and fees have gotten totally out of hand, I graduated College in the early 90's and it was still somewhat affordable then.

What the hell happened?

This is a prime example of the free market run amuck and why the middle class is hrinking and the wealth is concentrating at the top.

It's why everybody does not have an equal chance anymore.
Well, universities are government agencies, not the "free market" at all. It's a heavily subsidized market run amok. (It's amok, not amuck)
 

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Trump Insists on Single-Payer, Universal Healthcare System

By Greg Richter | Sunday, 31 Jan 2016 08:21 PM


GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump said Sunday the government will provide health coverage for everyone if he is elected president, but said his plan is not a single-payer system like Bernie Sanders, who is seeking the Democratic nomination, wants.


"I want people taken care of. I have a heart," Trump said. "If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person."

Trump said he'll achieve his goal by working with hospitals and doctors.

In previous comments Trump said he backed a single-payer, universal healthcare system paid for by the government.

Trump cited the healthcare systems of Canada and Britain as models for the U.S. Conservatives have noted that both systems are socialized medical programs that limit and ration care, especially for the elderly.


"We've got to do something," he said. "You can't have a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that. We'll work something out."

On Sunday, he insisted his plan would not be a single-payer system.

As for Cruz, "maybe he’s got no heart," Trump said. "And if this means I lose an election, that’s fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can’t let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else."


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Well, universities are government agencies, not the "free market" at all. It's a heavily subsidized market run amok. (It's amok, not amuck)
Yeah not letting the government of the hook but they have reached this position because of being heavily lobbied by the financial systems.

I knew that amuck did not look right and then forgot to spellcheck it.:dunce
 

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Yeah not letting the government of the hook but they have reached this position because of being heavily lobbied by the financial systems.

I knew that amuck did not look right and then forgot to spellcheck it.:dunce
The problem with the education system is that it isn't a free market. Not anywhere close actually.
 

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Yeah not letting the government of the hook but they have reached this position because of being heavily lobbied by the financial systems.

I knew that amuck did not look right and then forgot to spellcheck it.:dunce
Not a spelling Nazi, I only tend to correct uncommon words where there might be a legitimate mistake.
 

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The problem with the education system is that it isn't a free market. Not anywhere close actually.
I think it's closer to free market than not.

They have no pressure from Gov on how they set prices for the most part and there is mostly unrestricted competition.

Yes for the most part there are gov't intervention so I can see the distinction but most any business has some gov't intervention.
 

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It is interesting to note that UTEP has some of the lowest tuition in the state, simply because their students can't afford higher tuition otherwise. Compare that to Universities inside the UT system and it's pretty apparent how much gov't subsidy could have affected tuition price.

Let's not let the free market off the hook though. The biggest problem in education at this moment is bullshit sham colleges like ITT Tech that should have been shut down for fraud. The student debt problem would hardly be a problem without garbage for profit institutions suckering dumbasses into taking out enormous loans for useless educations. In a fair and just society those bunch of swindlers would be breaking rocks somewhere.
 
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