Week 4 Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys at Saints |10/04/2015

kidd said:

So is there any word on when Lee will be allowed to return? I know the league is very cautious with these concussions so I'm expecting him to miss the Pats game but has anyone said anything about him possibly being available? I'm not exactly sure about the rule when it comes to concussions.

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My understanding is he can play as soon as he passes the concussion tests, which means he could possibly play against New England.

Weeden didn't exactly light it up last night but he did enough to win.

This loss was on the Defense.

That being said, Weeden still sucks. The sacks that he to were on him. All he had to do was step up or side step. Collinsworth said as much.

kidd said:

So is there any word on when Lee will be allowed to return? I know the league is very cautious with these concussions so I'm expecting him to miss the Pats game but has anyone said anything about him possibly being available? I'm not exactly sure about the rule when it comes to concussions.

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He will have to go through the concussion protocol this week. They are saying they think he will be able to go against the Pats.

Genghis Khan said:

My understanding is he can play as soon as he passes the concussion tests, which means he could possibly play against New England.

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So when will we know something? My guess is the Cowboys organization will make it a game time decision to keep the Patriots guessing. Garrett's dumb ass probably thinks he has an advantage over Belichik.

ravidubey said:

Michael's our best chance. He just got inserted at the worst possible time.

The team needs to give him a bunch of carries. Production matters, and for running backs production in the second half when the game is close is huge.

We can't win without it. The defense isn't built that way.

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No idea how you can say this...Michael has never given an indication he can be a lead back. The other 2 have not shown it either, but I don't think any of the 3 are all that good to begin with.

kidd said:

Weeden didn't exactly light it up last night but he did enough to win.

This loss was on the Defense.

That being said, Weeden still sucks. The sacks that he to were on him. All he had to do was step up or side step. Collinsworth said as much.

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It was obvious to anyone with eye sight. The worst was the Leary sack where Leary was right on his guy and all he had to do was step up.

kidd said:

This loss was on the Defense.

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The defense can't be held accountable for being forced to be what it was never intended to be.

The poor performance on the field was the failure of the offense. And no, despite the bullshit you hear not the offensive line.

You could start five HOF offensive linemen each in their prime and they couldn't help an offense with minimal skill talent.

They can't get Terrance Williams to break man-coverage against a CB found off the scrap heap.

They can't make the first defender to get to Joseph Randle miss.

They can't make Brandon Weeden see Jason Witten breaking open.

They can't stop Brice Butler's hamstring from pulling on a fly pattern.

That said, Joseph Randle, Brandon Weeden, Terrence Williams, and Brice Butler can't be held accountable for what they aren't. They aren't consistent, creative, or dangerous players. Not without a lot of help.

That is on the front office, pure and simple. Why trade for Michael, Cassel, or Butler in the 11th hour when you had to know these positions have been weak since last season?

No one could foresee the rash of injuries, but it's the job of a front office to be at least semi-prepared. This loss is the fault of the folks upstairs. No one expects a win vs the Pats next week, but this was a winnable game.

Jiggyfly said:

Are you really bitching about not signing injury prone Spiller.

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He'd be great to have. We used Dunbar in a role that I would have loved to have Spiller for.

ravidubey said:

The defense can't be held accountable for being forced to be what it was never intended to be.

The poor performance on the field was the failure of the offense. And no, despite the bullshit you hear not the offensive line.

You could start five HOF offensive linemen each in their prime and they couldn't help an offense with minimal skill talent.

They can't get Terrance Williams to break man-coverage against a CB found off the scrap heap.

They can't make the first defender to get to Joseph Randle miss.

They can't make Brandon Weeden see Jason Witten breaking open.

They can't stop Brice Butler's hamstring from pulling on a fly pattern.

That said, Joseph Randle, Brandon Weeden, Terrence Williams, and Brice Butler can't be held accountable for what they aren't. They aren't consistent, creative, or dangerous players. Not without a lot of help.

That is on the front office, pure and simple. Why trade for Michael, Cassel, or Butler in the 11th hour when you had to know these positions have been weak since last season?

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We apparently saw different games. The defense just got their asses handed to them again in the second half for two weeks in a row.

Carp said:

No idea how you can say this...Michael has never given an indication he can be a lead back. The other 2 have not shown it either, but I don't think any of the 3 are all that good to begin with.

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I'd like to see Michael get an extended look. He has the pedigree, and has shown flashes on the field. Apparently his problems are off the field, and if he's overcome these I want to see him get a real chance.

This loss is not on the D. The D is battling injuries just like the offense, but I feel like the D gives you great effort every game, can't say the same for the O. The lack of big time consuming drives are what this team needs to help the D. We can do it because we can't run.

L.T. Fan said:

We apparently saw different games. The defense just got their asses handed to them again in the second half for two weeks in a row.

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They were never built to stay on the field. They are a hoard of little dudes who hustle to create chaos and turnovers. The DL are all supposed to be "rushmen"-- what other defense works that way? For example, how can you be "rushing" when the other team is?

The answer is you hope they don't rush. As in, ever. You need them passing to come from behind.

Carp said:

This loss is not on the D. The D is battling injuries just like the offense, but I feel like the D gives you great effort every game, can't say the same for the O. The lack of big time consuming drives are what this team needs to help the D. We can do it because we can't run.

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Bingo. Fault== front office, pure and simple.

ravidubey said:

I'd like to see Michael get an extended look. He has the pedigree, and has shown flashes on the field. Apparently his problems are off the field, and if he's overcome these I want to see him get a real chance.

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The pedigree? He has far from a pedigree...he had a decent college career and has around 300 yards in the NFL. He was a 2nd round pick that Seattle felt comfortable moving on from.

Carp said:

This loss is not on the D. The D is battling injuries just like the offense, but I feel like the D gives you great effort every game, can't say the same for the O. The lack of big time consuming drives are what this team needs to help the D. We can do it because we can't run.

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The defense looked great in the first two games. Of course even without a running game if you have a QB that consistently moves the chains that's really all you need.

ravidubey said:

They were never built to stay on the field. They are a hoard of little dudes who hustle to create chaos and turnovers. The DL are all supposed to be "rushmen"-- what other defense works that way? For example, how can you be "rushing" when the other team is?

The answer is you hope they don't rush. As in, ever. You need them passing to come from behind.

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Doesn't matter that they weren't built to stay on the field. They folded in the second half. The offense even though sluggish put the team in a position to move toward a win only to see it pissed away by two consecutive drives the length of the field.

L.T. Fan said:

Doesn't matter that they weren't built to stay on the field. They folded in the second half. The offense even though sluggish put the team in a position to move toward a win only to see it pissed away by two consecutive drives the length of the field.

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The defense kept the team in the game in another inept 2nd half O performance. They were exhausted from carrying the team. Wilson got beat on a wheel route to Spiller...in a spot he probably never played.

Carp said:

He was a 2nd round pick that Seattle felt comfortable moving on from.

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Pedigree. Young, high draft pick, powerful build, 221 pounds, 4.54 speed, productive college career, 4.8 YPC in the NFL. Randle is smaller and slower. McFadden older and stiffer.

Neither has the consistent power Michael has demonstrated.

I believe Seattle traded him because of off-field related/maturity issues.

At this point, i could GAS about maturity. Feed him some bipolar meds and get him on the field.

Randle is immature as well and we see how that is being handled as well. He doesnt have a pedigree and Randle had 6.7 ypc last season. Its just a name that isnt Randle, McFadden, or Dunbar.

ravidubey said:

Pedigree. Young, high draft pick, powerful build, 221 pounds, 4.54 speed, productive college career, 4.8 YPC in the NFL. Randle is smaller and slower. McFadden older and stiffer.

Neither has the consistent power Michael has demonstrated.

I believe Seattle traded him because of off-field related/maturity issues.

At this point, i could GAS about maturity. Feed him some bipolar meds and get him on the field.

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He has potential...not pedigree.

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