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You are the guy talking about wanting to kill yourself every day for two years. So apparently, you fucking cared. At least enough to cry about it here, anyway.
Right, because I was trying to demonstrate the point of view that might be part of the 22 suicides per day that happen in the armed forces. Thank you for sharing what it's like to not want to kill yourself. I would have never guessed what that's like.
 

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The Navy doesn't even march in the rain.


Hahahahahaa!!!!
The only time I ever marched was during training. The navy really doesn't give a damn about that. We uh, have more advanced methods of transportation than marching.
 

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I honestly think that this world has changed so much that a ton of young folks going in are not prepared. Nobody tells kids that they suck and should perform better.

Funny story: I got to hang out with a tough old SOB (84) recently that has ministered in the Middle East and all over the world. He basically said that when he started out self esteem hadn't been invented yet. He went on to talk about kids are brought up to be told how important they are. We teach our kids that they have a purpose in life but they damn sure aren't the center of attention. All of that has been invented in the last 50 years. I don't think it has helped shape men in anyway. I'll let deuce chime in with all of the psychobabble stuff. He spends his time trying to fix broken men.
 

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The only time I ever marched was during training. The navy really doesn't give a damn about that. We uh, have more advanced methods of transportation than marching.

I'm just teasing, bro.



Honestly, I bet the ship sucked ass. My buddy's kid just got medically retired (E-6 pay for life due to seizures). He was really disheartened because he was stuck on an in operable ship mopping the floors for months.
 

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I know I'm being insensitive. Still, it's the military people. You're supposed to be a freaking soldier. So being a soldier is not for the faint of heart. That's kind of the definition of being a soldier I think.
 

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It is funny that this topic came up in the gay marriage thread. Coincidence? I think not!!




Gaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy!!!!!!!!
 

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I know I'm being insensitive. Still, it's the military people. You're supposed to be a freaking soldier. So being a soldier is not for the faint of heart. That's kind of the definition of being a soldier I think.
I've been on this board for awhile (actually before I ever joined the military) I don't talk about this very frequently.

But I can be pretty passionate because we lose service members every day, and I could have been one of them.

"Being tough" was one of my biggest faults. I didn't talk to anyone about my problems, I never wanted to appear weak, and instead of bending I broke.
 

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I've been on this board for awhile (actually before I ever joined the military) I don't talk about this very frequently.

But I can be pretty passionate because we lose service members every day, and I could have been one of them.

"Being tough" was one of my biggest faults. I didn't talk to anyone about my problems, I never wanted to appear weak, and instead of bending I broke.

Your discussion is fair. I'm just sitting in my porch BSing. You lived it.


But I do agree with my point about society changing. I'm on point there. Yes, I agree with me.
 

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Your discussion is fair. I'm just sitting in my porch BSing. You lived it.


But I do agree with my point about society changing. I'm on point there. Yes, I agree with me.
No worries. Congrats on your son. Glad he's enjoying it.
 

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So many armchair soldiers saying everyone else's actual experience is bullshit according to their prejudices.
 

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My brother shared a lot in this thread. I was there on the phone because I was the only one up late when he called me from Guam. [MENTION=14]NoDak[/MENTION] is the ultimate internet tough guy, our own Hostile.

When I was in college a girl in Air Force ROTC told me that my dad's best friend, who had PTSD from Vietnam was at fault for his condition because he hadn't prepared himself properly for combat. I asked her how a mixed race kid from San Antonio could prepare himself for being a Marine Recon in Vietnam and she said those resources were probably available.

NoDak is exactly that girl, pretending to be a grown man.
 
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My brother shared a lot in this thread. I was there on the phone because I was the only one up late when he called me from Guam. [MENTION=14]NoDak[/MENTION] is the ultimate internet tough guy, our own Hostile.

When I was in college a girl in Air Force ROTC told me that my dad's best friend, who had PTSD from Vietnam was at fault for his condition because he hadn't prepared himself properly for combat. I asked her how a mixed race kid from San Antonio could prepare himself for being a Marine Recon in Vietnam and she said those resources were probably available.

NoDak is exactly that girl, pretending to be a grown man.
Aww, now I feel bad... You need a hug?

Maybe we should all get some therapy together and work through our feelings. Or you and your brother could quit being such whiney little bitches and blaming society and everything but yourselves for your shitty lives and how horrible you have it. Either way, really.
 
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We got some Elias and Barnes action going on here. Alrighty then.
 

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Aww, now I feel bad... You need a hug?

Maybe we should all get some therapy together and work through our feelings. Or you and your brother could quit being such whiney little bitches and blaming society and everything but yourselves for your shitty lives and how horrible you have it. Either way, really.
I'm doing fine. I've made more since I left the service than I made my entire enlistment. I'm not even 30 and make $34.00 per hour as a maintenance electrician. Closing on a house in Ft. Worth next week, getting married next year.

After I left the Navy I got to travel the world. I've lived in China and South Korea. Been to Paris, Trinidad, South America, and Singapore.

Once I get 100k saved I'm going to college for my engineering degree. I'm about halfway there.
 

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Aww, now I feel bad... You need a hug?

Maybe we should all get some therapy together and work through our feelings. Or you and your brother could quit being such whiney little bitches and blaming society and everything but yourselves for your shitty lives and how horrible you have it. Either way, really.
Where did you serve, BTW?
 

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Wait, Clay and Townsend are brothers?
 

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Where did you serve, BTW?
He was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion.

Yeah, it was real hush hush.

He was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was him.
 

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He was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion.

Yeah, it was real hush hush.

He was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was him.
Ha! I love Trading Places.
 

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I'm doing fine. I've made more since I left the service than I made my entire enlistment. I'm not even 30 and make $34.00 per hour as a maintenance electrician. Closing on a house in Ft. Worth next week, getting married next year.

After I left the Navy I got to travel the world. I've lived in China and South Korea. Been to Paris, Trinidad, South America, and Singapore.

Once I get 100k saved I'm going to college for my engineering degree. I'm about halfway there.
That's good. Congratulations on having a plan and sticking to it.

Where did you serve, BTW?
And I've been all over. Ft. Hood, Ft. Leavenworth, Ft. Gordon, Ft. Sam Houston, Ft. Jackson, Ft. Carson, and Ft. Knox stateside. Twice to Iraq, mostly around Baghdad, Falluja, and Abu Ghraib. Once to Kuwait and the U.A.E during Desert Storm. Deployed three times total.

Never to Viet Nam, tho. Sorry, booze.
 

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That's good. Congratulations on having a plan and sticking to it.
I wasn't bitching to receive some kind of pity. The military has some wide ass cracks it lets its men fall through. I mentioned before there were multiple suicide attempts on my ship. It's pretty life changing to see what's essentially your extended family suffer from a collective nervous breakdown. In that group I was one of the lucky ones. Half the guys ended up getting kicked out of the military without their honorable discharge. They mostly got "under honorable conditions", one or two might have gotten a worse discharge because towards the end my command had started sending people who attempted suicide to NJP. (I got redesignated as an Electronics Technician. The rest of my career, other than the training which was like going through boot camp again, was pretty fun and easy.)

Submariners are tough, the shit we did, not very many people would or could. I've spent more than two months without seeing the sun. Worked a 12 hour shift with pneumonia, and gone days without sleep to keep up with maintenance and watch standing. In 2008 we won the "Battle E" flag for some incredible stuff I cannot talk about at all. In 2009 we managed to get out of a shipyard availability on time and under budget, which was a god damned miracle. We had a lot of pride in what we did, and did it fucking well.

There's a certain ideal we have for our military members. It's a nifty way to save ourselves from empathizing with them. Either they're heroes and don't need empathy, or they're weak and don't deserve it. I ended up pushing myself way beyond my limits trying to avoid being seen as the latter. It's not a good way to live.

That's why I brought up my past in the military. Because the worst thing we can do for the kids in our military is pretend that they just need to tough everything out. They do need to tough some stuff out, obviously. It's a hard life you sign up for. Overcoming adversity is one of the most valuable life skills you can learn. To this day I'm a fucking rock star in a crisis because I've done hundreds of drills and been forced to think and act in the clutch.

There are a lot of tough strong men out there though that snap because they'd rather die than be seen as weak. That is what I consider dehumanizing, making men terrified to ask for help, making them feel ashamed for doing it. Making them hide behind an ideal they can't live up to.


And I've been all over. Ft. Hood, Ft. Leavenworth, Ft. Gordon, Ft. Sam Houston, Ft. Jackson, Ft. Carson, and Ft. Knox stateside. Twice to Iraq, mostly around Baghdad, Falluja, and Abu Ghraib. Once to Kuwait and the U.A.E during Desert Storm. Deployed three times total.

Never to Viet Nam, tho. Sorry, booze.
Sounds like you had a long, illustrious career. I've had very little experience with Army folks. All I know about them is they can make each other do pushups, and wear glow belts everywhere. If I had it to do all over again, I'd join the Air Force. But wouldn't we all.
 
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