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Cotton · Feb 24, 2015

Kbrown said:
Farm subsidies are socialist too.

Fair enough. But, that flies in the face of the gov't only helping the big corporations. My point was that it's not uncommon and it isn't "big-centric".

dallen · Feb 24, 2015

Iamtdg said:
Fair enough. But, that flies in the face of the gov't only helping the big corporations. My point was that it's not uncommon and it isn't "big-centric".

I don't know about that. A lot of farms are run by big corporations now

NoDak · Feb 24, 2015

dallen said:
I don't know about that. A lot of farms are run by big corporations now

I don't know of one farm run by a corporation here in western ND, and agriculture holds down the top spot in our state's economy. But I have heard of countless small/single family farms that have received subsidies.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

L.T. Fan said:
Talking down? If you understand what I said and responded how is that talking down?

I took it as being "You don't know anything about banking because I worked in the banking industry and you didn't." but I apologize for misreading your intent if you didn't mean it that way.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

Iamtdg said:
Fair enough. But, that flies in the face of the gov't only helping the big corporations. My point was that it's not uncommon and it isn't "big-centric".

Big corporate mega-farms benefit more from farm subsidies than smaller ones that have all but been driven out of business by corporate farming. The small farms that are still profitable owe a lot more to the Organic niche market allowing them to charge enough to make a profit than they do to any farm subsidy.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

Iamtdg said:
So, you're telling me that a one-time loan (not a subsidy) is the same thing as being a state-supported institution? You're stretching the definition of socialism to fit your argument.

It is when those "one-time loans" are needed repeatedly over time. We bailed out Chrysler once before under the Carter and Reagan administrations, and i suspect we'll need to bail out Chevy and Chrysler again in the near future.

NoDak · Feb 24, 2015

Clay_Allison said:
Big corporate mega-farms benefit more from farm subsidies than smaller ones that have all but been driven out of business by corporate farming. The small farms that are still profitable owe a lot more to the Organic niche market allowing them to charge enough to make a profit than they do to any farm subsidy.

The vast majority of farms here in ND are single family farms that produce wheat/durum/sunflower. And ND is the number 1 provider of said products in the US. How does that support the notion that smaller farms have been driven out of business or are catering to the organic niche?

L.T. Fan · Feb 24, 2015

Clay_Allison said:
I took it as being "You don't know anything about banking because I worked in the banking industry and you didn't." but I apologize for misreading your intent if you didn't mean it that way.

I was simply relating something I have knowledge of first hand. To me that should be more credible than speculating based on heresay or third party reporting. I dont know what anyone else knows.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

NoDak said:
The vast majority of farms here in ND are single family farms that produce wheat/durum/sunflower. And ND is the number 1 provider of said products in the US. How does that support the notion that smaller farms have been driven out of business or are catering to the organic niche?

Did some research, thanks to the internet, and it looks like big corporations moved out of farming into the next tier up in the market.

From the article:
"Part of the reason is that some mega-corporations have moved from direct ownership of cropland into a coordinating role, sourcing product from family-owned pieces of land that they've sold off."

My generalization was out of date. I was somewhat right in that small farms have either died out or cater to niche markets. Half of the acreage used for farming is on farms of over 900 acres.

NoDak · Feb 24, 2015

I would love to see where you get your numbers on your "generalizations" Because they're still wrong.

Talking about stuff you have no idea about only make you look foolish.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

NoDak said:
I would love to see where you get your numbers on your "generalizations" Because they're still wrong.

Talking about stuff you have no idea about only make you look foolish.

The article was from the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/11/farms-are-gigantic-now-even-the-family-owned-ones/

Cotton · Feb 24, 2015

Clay_Allison said:
Big corporate mega-farms benefit more from farm subsidies than smaller ones that have all but been driven out of business by corporate farming. The small farms that are still profitable owe a lot more to the Organic niche market allowing them to charge enough to make a profit than they do to any farm subsidy.

Sorry, man, but you have zero idea what you're talking about. I live in the mecca of farming, and 90% of the cotton produced in this country are done so by single individuals that run their own farms. And, those "mom and pop" farming operations get bailed out by govt insurance like every other year. And, the industry in this country would crater if they didn't, because weather would bankrupt even the best of farmers if not.

Cotton · Feb 24, 2015

Clay_Allison said:
It is when those "one-time loans" are needed repeatedly over time. We bailed out Chrysler once before under the Carter and Reagan administrations, and i suspect we'll need to bail out Chevy and Chrysler again in the near future.

Yeah, because that has happened over and over again in this socialist country.

Cotton · Feb 24, 2015

Even the vast majority of gins are owned by individuals or groups of individuals... not by big corporations. At least around here that holds true.

L.T. Fan · Feb 24, 2015

Iamtdg said:
Even the vast majority of gins are owned by individuals or groups of individuals... not by big corporations. At least around here that holds true.

Yep they are called Co-ops.

Clay_Allison · Feb 24, 2015

Iamtdg said:
Yeah, because that has happened over and over again in this socialist country.

We get more socialist as time goes on. The more the government gives handouts the more people depend on them. That's why we have more welfare recipients now than ever before, it's why we'll have more in the future.

Cotton · Feb 24, 2015

Clay_Allison said:
We get more socialist as time goes on. The more the government gives handouts the more people depend on them. That's why we have more welfare recipients now than ever before, it's why we'll have more in the future.

I would agree with that.

townsend · Feb 25, 2015

As a vet I'm getting health coverage for free, that's 100% welfare, but I bet there aren't any Republicans willing to speak out against it.

dallen · Feb 25, 2015

townsend said:
As a vet I'm getting health coverage for free, that's 100% welfare, but I bet there aren't any Republicans willing to speak out against it.

Freeloader

L.T. Fan · Feb 25, 2015

townsend said:
As a vet I'm getting health coverage for free, that's 100% welfare, but I bet there aren't any Republicans willing to speak out against it.

Vets pay a price for their benefits some more than others but all who have stepped up and served honorably have at least given something.

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