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And this is why I quit writing in this thread for a while. You can't help yourself either because you read and see only what you want. I proved no point of yours that you weren't already committed to and would have accepted an alternative to. You just keep living your life believing that all cops protect each other no matter what they do, we all hate minorities and will take whatever chance we can to abuse them. Must be a tough way to live.
That's a mighty big leap I have at no point said any of that.

I don't think all cops are bad in fact most are good at their jobs, I never even said this cop should be fired but discipline action is warranted.

You are the guy saying somehow this woman smoking a cigarette was a way to excuse his actions.
 

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It seems strange to me that smoking a cigarette could be seen as threatening. This cop is literally carrying a gun. A big god damned bully, in an organization known for killing civilians on a whim just stopped someone for a BS reason and physically accosted them for not obeying his orders, but yeah that tiny piece of burning paper is super scary.

Imagine this as an interaction between two human beings without the unearned and unwarranted entitlement to be treated like an absolute authority. Imagine some asshole with a gun just waving a woman off the street and then kidnapping her when she doesn't submit to him. In effect that's what happened.
 

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Arlington Officer Brad Miller terminated after Christian Taylor shooting


Claire Z. Cardona Follow @clairezcardona Email ccardona@dallasnews.com
Published: August 11, 2015 4:45 pm




The officer involved in the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Christian Taylor has been terminated, Arlington Police Chief Will Johnson said Tuesday.

Johnson cited several examples of poor judgment in the incident as reasons for Officer Brad Miller’s termination. He said he made the decision after receiving a briefing from investigators Tuesday morning and the decision was his alone.

Miller, 49, fatally shot Taylor, who was unarmed, during a burglary call at Classic Buick GMC near Interstate 20 and Collins Street early Friday. The incident began after private security for the car dealership called 911 shortly after 1 a.m. to report that Taylor was damaging a car in the parking lot.

“This is a extraordinarily difficult case,” Johnson said. “Decisions were made that have a catastrophic outcome.”

Miller’s poor judgement in tactics in the shooting officially led to his firing, but the fact that Taylor was shot and killed played a role in the chief’s decision, police spokesman Christopher Cook said.

Since Miller was still in field training at the time of the shooting, he cannot appeal the firing.


Johnson said that he had “serious concerns as to the rationale articulated as to the use of deadly force,” but believed those concerns are best addressed through a criminal investigations process.

Police are likely to refer the case to a grand jury, which will determine whether Miller should face criminal charges. None have been filed at this time. But, Cook said the medical examiner’s autopsy report will be key to when the case is presented to a grand jury.

Miller’s attorney, John Snider, said he was reviewing the chief’s statement before making any comments.

At Tuesday’s press conference, Johnson said he found some of the decisions made on the scene to be “troubling” and went through the series of events leading up to the shooting of which there is no video evidence.

Taylor and one of the six officers on scene came face-to-face on the either side of locked doors at the dealership showroom. The officer noticed that Taylor had a “bulge” in the pocket of his shorts, which Johnson said later turned out to be a wallet and cell phone. Johnson said that not knowing what the bulge was, it was reasonable for officers to assume that Taylor could have been armed.

Taylor held up a set of car keys and said through the door that he intended to steal a vehicle. The officer told him to get on the ground and he said no and attempted to open the locked door that was separating them, Johnson said.

After the officers determined the need to establish a perimeter on the west side of the building, Miller and his training officer, Cpl. Dale Wiggins, headed that way but Wiggins stopped to talk to the officer who was speaking with Taylor.



Miller kept going and after spotting the broken glass that Taylor had driven his Jeep through, entered into the showroom alone. Taylor ran to a different part of the building and tried to break through a glass door to get out, Johnson said.

Miller followed Taylor and told him to get on the ground. Taylor turned to Miller and began to “rapidly approach while cursing,” Johnson said. He said Miller retreated while giving commands.

Wiggins, urgently trying to rejoin Miller, entered the building and saw Taylor approaching Miller who was stationary. Wiggins removed his Taser from its holster and heard a pop. Johnson said he thought it was Miller deploying his Taser, but it turned out to be Miller firing his weapon the first time, though it’s unclear if he hit Taylor.

Wiggins used his Taser and Taylor continued to advance toward Miller, who then fired his weapon three more times. Taylor was about seven to 10 feet away from Miller when the shots were fired. During the course of the incident, there was no physical contact between Miller and Taylor, Johnson said.

Johnson said that Miller’s decision to go in alone without telling Wiggins his intent was not a good strategy and put the officers on scene “in a position of undue risk.”

He said Miller, who believed he was alone in the showroom, feared that Taylor could overpower him. Miller was unaware that his field training officer was about four feet away from him at the time of the shooting.

“This fear and feeling of isolation was a result of his poor decision to enter the building without assistance and without an arrest plan,” Johnson said.

Taylor, who was set to begin his sophomore year at Angelo State University, died at the scene. The Tarrant County medical examiner lists Taylor’s cause of death as gunshot wounds to the neck, chest and abdomen. A full autopsy report has not been released.

Miller, who joined the department in September, did not have any injuries, Johnson said. He has been placed on paid administrative leave. Wiggins, a 19-year veteran of the department, is also on paid leave.

Arlington police are currently sharing information and facts of the case with the FBI as they become available and Johnson said the FBI is prepared to “act accordingly if it’s determined that a civil rights violation occurred.”
 

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Texas Officer’s Firing in Christian Taylor Shooting Called an ‘Insult’
By MANNY FERNANDEZ and TIMOTHY WILLIAMSAUG. 12, 2015


ARLINGTON, Tex. — A lawyer for the white police officer dismissed for shooting an unarmed black college student defended the officer’s actions on Wednesday and said that he had been fired to “appease anti-police activists.”

The lawyer, John Snider, of Dallas, said in a statement that Arlington’s police chief, Will D. Johnson, had acted improperly when he announced Tuesday that he had fired the officer, Brad Miller, a trainee with the department.

Chief Johnson said Tuesday that Officer Miller, 49, had been fired for making mistakes in the fatal shooting of the student, Christian Taylor, 19, while checking reports of a break-in at a car dealership in this Dallas suburb. The mistakes, Chief Johnson said, included entering the building without his more experienced partner, which led to “an environment of cascading consequences.”


“While Chief Johnson sits behind his desk and Monday morning quarterbacks an officer’s actions when coming face to face with a violent felon, his biggest fears are getting a paper cut or losing his six-figure salary,” Mr. Snider said. “Chief Johnson used 20/20 hindsight to protect his job and appease anti-police activists. Officer Miller made decisions in the heat of a violent confrontation to save his and other officers’ lives.”

The statement added: “A four-day ‘investigation’ and media theatrics are not even close to due process. This decision, while politically expedient for Chief Johnson, is an insult to the rank and file officers who put their lives on the line every day.”

Officer Miller was hired last fall and was still in training when the shooting occurred early Friday morning.

The police had said that Mr. Taylor — an Arlington native who was a football player and student at Angelo State University in the West Texas city of San Angelo — was shot around 1 a.m. Friday as he was confronted by officers who had been dispatched to the Classic Buick GMC dealership after reports of a suspected burglary. At a news conference, Chief Johnson said Officer Miller made bad decisions in communicating with other officers and initially approaching Mr. Taylor on his own without a plan for an arrest. There were other officers at the scene, the chief told reporters, including Officer Miller’s training officer, who tried to use a Taser to subdue Mr. Taylor.

The dismissal represented a shift in the official police narrative of the events leading up to the shooting. Previously, Chief Johnson told reporters that Officer Miller and his training officer had a confrontation with Mr. Taylor inside the dealership as they tried to arrest him, and that led Officer Miller to fire his weapon. The chief had declined to describe that event, explaining that investigators had not determined “the nature of the confrontation.”

But in Tuesday’s news conference, Chief Johnson said that Mr. Taylor never made physical contact with any of the officers at the scene and indicated that Officer Miller’s own actions had escalated the confrontation.

The chief also said that the officers had said they saw a bulge in Mr. Taylor’s pocket. It turned out to be a wallet and a cellphone. “It is reasonable that officers were concerned that a weapon may be present,” Chief Johnson said. “This further underscores the questionable nature of Officer Miller’s decision of entering the building alone and without an arrest plan.”

Chief Johnson said that the criminal investigation would proceed and that the evidence would be turned over to the district attorney, who would make a decision on whether to present it to a grand jury for a possible indictment.
 

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The use of the words "black" and "white" are not helping things.
 

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Johnson said that Miller’s decision to go in alone without telling Wiggins his intent was not a good strategy and put the officers on scene “in a position of undue risk.”
This is where it is right here. Cops need to be trained that they are not supposed to charge in blindly. The John Wayne days are over.
 

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California Highway Patrol officers among those eyed in 2012 killing
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Aug. 14, 2015: Officers are on scene at the home of attorney Frank Carson in Turlock, Calif. (AP)
Three current and former California Highway Patrol officers were among those arrested on Friday in connection with the disappearance and killing of a Central Valley man.

A prominent criminal defense lawyer and five other people were arrested as well.

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Law enforcement officials announced the arrests at a news conference in Modesto. The nine people played a part in the killing of Korey Kauffman, 26, or helped cover it up and mislead investigators, officials said.

Kauffman was reported missing in April 2012. His body was found by hunters in August 203 in rural Mariposa County near Yosemite National Park.

Stanislaus County Sheriff’s Department investigators said Modesto attorney Frank Carson orchestrated the killing and enlisted the help of two brothers who own a liquor store in Turlock.

Carson believed Kauffman and others were stealing valuable antiques from storage containers on his property and that he wanted to stop the thefts by sending a message, investigators said. Kauffman was allegedly on his way to steal from Carson when he vanished, according to a 326-page court filing police used to get arrest warrants.

Percy Martinez, Caron’s attorney, said his client is innocent and his arrest was politically motivated. Carson ran unsuccessfully for district attorney last year. He has been under investigation since Kauffman disappeared, Martinez said. Investigators searched Carson’s property in 2012.

We welcome the opportunity to fight this in court," Martinez said.

The CHP officers were all associated with the brothers and the Turlock liquor store.

CHP officers Scott McFarlane and Eduardo Quintanar are suspected of obstructing the investigation. They are accused of lying about their involvement with the liquor store and the two brothers who own it.

Investigators say Quintanar told one of the brothers to tell another suspect to check under his car for police tracking defices.

Former CHP officer Walter Wells is suspected of murder.

"The entire department and I are appalled at the mere thought that one former and two current employees played any role in this incident," CHP Commissioner Joe Farrow said.

Wells left the CHP several weeks ago, and the other two officers have been placed on administrative leave, Farrow said.

Carson's wife, Georgia Geanette Defilippo, is also accused of participating in the killing. Defilippo's daughter was also arrested on suspicion of conspiracy and being an accessory.

All of the suspects remained jailed Friday.
 

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So, of those killed by police, how do you extrapolate the ones that were warranted?
 

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So, of those killed by police, how do you extrapolate the ones that were warranted?
I don't think there is any real accurate way to determine that. The police will very rarely admit that one of their officers killing someone isn't warranted. None of that is really the point here though. The point is that there is a problem with police killings getting out of hand. Warranted or not there needs to be a better way of going about things if that many people are being killed at the hands of our police force.
 

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I don't think there is any real accurate way to determine that. The police will very rarely admit that one of their officers killing someone isn't warranted. None of that is really the point here though. The point is that there is a problem with police killings getting out of hand. Warranted or not there needs to be a better way of going about things if that many people are being killed at the hands of our police force.
If no one can even nail down a legit number, how can you claim that number is going up? Just because we are more aware of it now that cellphones are a thing doesn't mean it's more prevalent. It just means you see it more now.
 

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If no one can even nail down a legit number, how can you claim that number is going up? Just because we are more aware of it now that cellphones are a thing doesn't mean it's more prevalent. It just means you see it more now.
Nail down a number of people the police are killing? That shouldn't be too difficult. You're adding in a new dimension that isn't necessary. Justified or not justified there is a serious problem when your police force is killing 1100 people a year.
 

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Nail down a number of people the police are killing? That shouldn't be too difficult. You're adding in a new dimension that isn't necessary. Justified or not justified there is a serious problem when your police force is killing 1100 people a year.
The article that was posted stated that nailing down the number of police killings was hard to do because no one agency tracks it. That's what I was talking about. And if you could come up with a legit number, culling out the warranted shootings would make it even more difficult.
 

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The article that was posted stated that nailing down the number of police killings was hard to do because no one agency tracks it. That's what I was talking about. And if you could come up with a legit number, culling out the warranted shootings would make it even more difficult.
Well like I said it shouldn't be that difficult. The problem is apparently some local agencies don't want to report those numbers. It should be pretty accurate statistically though to take a large sample size and extrapolate it for the remainder of the agencies who don't report those numbers. It does seem a bit shady that some local agencies don't report those things.
 

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Well like I said it shouldn't be that difficult. The problem is apparently some local agencies don't want to report those numbers. It should be pretty accurate statistically though to take a large sample size and extrapolate it for the remainder of the agencies who don't report those numbers. It does seem a bit shady that some local agencies don't report those things.
It's still really hard to prove it's going up. It is an issue in some remote cases, for sure, but it's impossible to narrow that number (if you could get an accurate one) down to the deaths that are dirty. Then take that whittled down number and compare it to the number of police interactions that would be considered a volatile situation and see what the percentages are at that point. I would guess they are pretty damn low.
 
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