PFT: Photos of Greg Hardy domestic assualt victim emerge

Genghis Khan

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Missing four games checks instead of losing your liberty (ie, jail) is a pretty good deal. As for probation, asking him to act like a civilized human being for a finite period of time is hardly "punishment." That is, unless you see him as some sort of animal who can't control himself.
First of all, you are conflating the court system punishment with the NFL punishment. He didn't get one in exchange for the other. One saw fit to give him probation on a misdemeanor charge... the other, with the help of media and public cacophony, saw fit to throw the book at him and treat him like Literal Hitler. One has expertise and deep understanding of the issues and DV led by a judge who has dedicated her career to curtailing domestic violence, the other, well, has outrage. Definitely has outrage.

Secondly, the narrative that he bribed the victim to go away is retarded. Do you know witness tampering carries serious jail time? So, you're telling me he risked serious jail time to avoid prosecution that would result in probation? Sorry but that makes zero sense.Especially since the prosecution could go forward with the case regardless of the cooperation of the victim, which happens all the time.

And herein lies the problem. The entire media narrative surrounding this has been retarded. It's all chest-pounding bluster and"DV bad!" instead of what it should be, which is, "what exactly happened here, and why?" That would do far more for curtailing domestic violence. Everybody already knows it's bad. That does nothing to forward the conversation when all people are doing is highlighting how outraged they can get.
 

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Spot on.
 

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First of all, you are conflating the court system punishment with the NFL punishment. He didn't get one in exchange for the other. One saw fit to give him probation on a misdemeanor charge... the other, with the help of media and public cacophony, saw fit to throw the book at him and treat him like Literal Hitler. One has expertise and deep understanding of the issues and DV led by a judge who has dedicated her career to curtailing domestic violence, the other, well, has outrage. Definitely has outrage.

Secondly, the narrative that he bribed the victim to go away is retarded. Do you know witness tampering carries serious jail time? So, you're telling me he risked serious jail time to avoid prosecution that would result in probation? Sorry but that makes zero sense.Especially since the prosecution could go forward with the case regardless of the cooperation of the victim, which happens all the time.

And herein lies the problem. The entire media narrative surrounding this has been retarded. It's all chest-pounding bluster and"DV bad!" instead of what it should be, which is, "what exactly happened here, and why?" That would do far more for curtailing domestic violence. Everybody already knows it's bad. That does nothing to forward the conversation when all people are doing is highlighting how outraged they can get.
This is what I was trying to say, but you said it much better than I said it. So, basically, thanks for saying it.
 

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I got a good laugh yesterday while watching one of the ESPN shows (can't remember which one).

They tried to paint a picture of how great the Krafts are compared to the Joneses. They based this on comments made by Charlotte and Eugenia Jones which supported the Cowboys' decision to give Hardy a second chance. They pointed out that Kraft's late wife discovered that some WGAS 6th round pick had a domestic violence incident in his past so said WGAS play was cut and never played for the Patriots. :lol

MF'ers, please!

Very easy to take a moral stand with a player who probably wouldn't have made the team in the first place. Let's see them distance themselves from a Pro Bowl caliber player before we start drawing comparisons.

And no Hernandez doesn't count....because that was a no brainer. If Gronk gets drunk and slaps the shit out of his girlfriend I doubt the Patriots are cutting him based on that one incident. If they did, they'd be idiots for doing so.
 

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Another notion that I think is untrue is this idea that this is an NFL problem and that only in the NFL would talent trump character.

I think that's absolutely false.

If a talented investment banker who is bringing in millions of dollars a year to his company were a "bad dude" and had committed an act of domestic violence, I doubt that he'd be flat out fired after one incident. He may get suspended, but I really doubt that a company would show one of their top employees the door.

Now maybe they'd take a "moral" one strike and your out stand with the employee who's barely bringing in six figures to the company but that employee who's bringing in millions.....he's going to have a longer leash and will be given a second chance.

ESPN and the national media can point the finger at Jerry Jones all they want but the bottom line is Jerry's no different than any other NFL owner or private business owner.....money/talent drives decisions.
 

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Another notion that I think is untrue is this idea that this is an NFL problem and that only in the NFL would talent trump character.

I think that's absolutely false.

If a talented investment banker who is bringing in millions of dollars a year to his company were a "bad dude" and had committed an act of domestic violence, I doubt that he'd be flat out fired after one incident. He may get suspended, but I really doubt that a company would show one of their top employees the door.

Now maybe they'd take a "moral" one strike and your out stand with the employee who's barely bringing in six figures to the company but that employee who's bringing in millions.....he's going to have a longer leash and will be given a second chance.

ESPN and the national media can point the finger at Jerry Jones all they want but the bottom line is Jerry's no different than any other NFL owner or private business owner.....money/talent drives decisions.
Yeah, just ask Uber.
 

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continue to punish? Hardy collected every fucking paycheck last year, so let's stop pretending that he paid a steep price by sitting out. he beat up a chick and got a paid vacation. nice work if you can find it.
:lol

So you don't think missing an entire season of football hurt his career? If this incident didn't happen he was probably cashing a 100 + million dollar signing bonus last off season. So yes, missing a year and half of football cost him an awful lot and more then just the 4 game checks he missed out on. So a proper punishment in your opinion should have been... A life time of being broke?

I'm sure everything looks mighty pretty from high up on that horse of yours.
 

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I'm glad Jones hasn't capitulated to these PC dickheads in the media. Hardy's four game suspension for something that ultimately wasn't even a crime is more than enough punishment. ESPN can go fuck themselves.
 

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What's with the sudden barrage of F bombs in the posts now?
 

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This is a collection of easy targets pinpointing hot n' ready outrage into a lot of preconceived prejudices.

NFL players and the league itself are already seen as monsters by non-fans with progressive ideals.

Even among fans the Cowboys are the most hated franchise.

Even among Cowboy fans Jerry isn't particularly well liked.

Now everybody gets to have a good ol' time pretending to be sanctimonious and eating their own farts.
 

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First of all, you are conflating the court system punishment with the NFL punishment. He didn't get one in exchange for the other. One saw fit to give him probation on a misdemeanor charge... the other, with the help of media and public cacophony, saw fit to throw the book at him and treat him like Literal Hitler. One has expertise and deep understanding of the issues and DV led by a judge who has dedicated her career to curtailing domestic violence, the other, well, has outrage. Definitely has outrage.
I'm not conflating anything. You, on the other hand, seem to think the NFL is obligated to take their cues from the NC court system in terms of an appropriate punishment. They're not. In the wake of Rice and AP, going soft on Hardy would have sent a terrible message to the game's female fan base, while inviting a media firestorm and a potential loss of advertising. The league can't sweep this stuff under the rug anymore.

Secondly, the narrative that he bribed the victim to go away is retarded. Do you know witness tampering carries serious jail time?
She wasn't a witness yet. You can cut a deal before the trial to make the problem go away. It's called "settling."

So, you're telling me he risked serious jail time to avoid prosecution that would result in probation? Sorry but that makes zero sense.Especially since the prosecution could go forward with the case regardless of the cooperation of the victim, which happens all the time.
But no probation is better than any probation, right? Hence the motive for a payoff.

And herein lies the problem. The entire media narrative surrounding this has been retarded. It's all chest-pounding bluster and"DV bad!" instead of what it should be, which is, "what exactly happened here, and why?" That would do far more for curtailing domestic violence. Everybody already knows it's bad. That does nothing to forward the conversation when all people are doing is highlighting how outraged they can get.
So-called "inconsistencies" in her story don't justify what he did to her. When you have that kind of size/weight advantage, there are ways to defuse a situation short of battery.
 

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So in other words, you have no idea what you are talking about. Got it.
 

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Anyone think bbgun would have felt this strongly for the punishment of Rafael Septien?

Yeah, me neither.
 

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:lol

So you don't think missing an entire season of football hurt his career?
No, beating up a woman hurt his career.

If this incident didn't happen he was probably cashing a 100 + million dollar signing bonus last off season.
What a dummy

So yes, missing a year and half of football cost him an awful lot and more then just the 4 game checks he missed out on.
Who's fault was that?

So a proper punishment in your opinion should have been... A life time of being broke?
no one owes you a living, esp if you do something heinous. no network or casino was obligated to hire Jimmy the Greek after his racial remarks. nor do I recall anyone holding a fundraiser for him. most of these guys in the NFL have to do something else with their lives by their early 30s. why is Hardy an exception?

I'm sure everything looks mighty pretty from high up on that horse of yours.
the view is spectacular
 

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This is a collection of easy targets pinpointing hot n' ready outrage into a lot of preconceived prejudices.

NFL players and the league itself are already seen as monsters by non-fans with progressive ideals.

Even among fans the Cowboys are the most hated franchise.

Even among Cowboy fans Jerry isn't particularly well liked.

Now everybody gets to have a good ol' time pretending to be sanctimonious and eating their own farts.
It's definitely funny how Chicago got almost no backlash for signing McDonaldfollowing multiple domestic violence accusations. And Pittsburgh saw almost no backlash for standing behind and throwing mmillions at Big Ben after multiple sexual assault charges, and Minnesota saw almost no backlash for standing behind and continuing to pay millions to Peterson after admitting to abusing his child. It's awfully funny.
 

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I'm not conflating anything. You, on the other hand, seem to think the NFL is obligated to take their cues from the NC court system in terms of an appropriate punishment. They're not. In the wake of Rice and AP, going soft on Hardy would have sent a terrible message to the game's female fan base, while inviting a media firestorm and a potential loss of advertising. The league can't sweep this stuff under the rug anymore.



She wasn't a witness yet. You can cut a deal before the trial to make the problem go away. It's called "settling."



But no probation is better than any probation, right? Hence the motive for a payoff.



So-called "inconsistencies" in her story don't justify what he did to her. When you have that kind of size/weight advantage, there are ways to defuse a situation short of battery.
There's a big difference between justifying something and saying a lifetime ban isn't necessary. There's also understanding that both parties contributed to the situation and the outcome and one person losing at least 25 million in overall lost income, probably 50 since there still won't be as much bidding for his services, is enough punishment for the responsibility he still bears for the incident.

I'd probably feel different if he killed someone like Leonard Little, or if the woman suffered any permanent injuries but she didn't so I don't think an incident with no permanent damage should have permanent repercussions, like a lifetime ban from a person's occupation.
 
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