NoDak
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Pretty much.His fumbling is overstated. He has fumbled at horrible times, but over the course of his career he is not a fumbler.
Pretty much.His fumbling is overstated. He has fumbled at horrible times, but over the course of his career he is not a fumbler.
Over the course of his career it isn't bad, but the frequency in which he fumbled last year cannot be ignored.His fumbling is overstated. He has fumbled at horrible times, but over the course of his career he is not a fumbler.
He had 3 fumbles in the regular season and 1 in the playoffs. They happened at really bad times, but the frequency is overstated.Over the course of his career it isn't bad, but the frequency in which he fumbled last year cannot be ignored.
Every single fumble he had last year absolutely hurt us. Only 2 of his fumbles did not occur in scoring position, and those 2 that did not? One resulted in a defensive TD by the 49ers that started the blowout, and the other was against Green Bay in the playoffs on what was likely a TD play.
So while it would probably exaggerating to call him a fumbler, it also is fair to have conernes over it.
Over the course of his career it isn't bad, but the frequency in which he fumbled last year cannot be ignored.
Every single fumble he had last year absolutely hurt us. Only 2 of his fumbles did not occur in scoring position, and those 2 that did not? One resulted in a defensive TD by the 49ers that started the blowout, and the other was against Green Bay in the playoffs on what was likely a TD play.
So while it would probably exaggerating to call him a fumbler, it also is fair to have conernes over it.
I have acknowledged it...but hey, I am saying no big deal and stuff. Makes for a juicier post. 4 fumbles is not a lot.
Exactly. I love the way a few guys defend his fumbling like its no big deal. The fact remains the guy puts the ball on the ground at critical times...the biggest being the Packer game. I think it was truly the turning point of that game to be honest.
Including the playoffs, he had 6 lost fumbles and another few instances where he either fell on his own fumble or it went out of bounds.He had 3 fumbles in the regular season and 1 in the playoffs. They happened at really bad times, but the frequency is overstated.
So we are hung up on 4 fumbles...not the 1845 yards, the 15 20+ yard runs, the 85 runs for first down, or the 13 TDs.
He lost 1 fumble in the playoffs and 3 in the regular season.I didn't say you claimed it wasn't a big deal, just pointing out that it is fair to have concern over it.
Including the playoffs, he had 6 lost fumbles and another few instances where he either fell on his own fumble or it went out of bounds.
If he returns, the staff really need to emphasize that he needs to secure the ball similarly to how Coughlin did with Tiki Barber.
Oops, just saw that you were addressing Unc's post. Never mind.
Wrong, see above.He lost 1 fumble in the playoffs and 3 in the regular season.
On 150+ less carries for the year. So, the question is...do you resign him at elite money that he wants and give him a part time load or let him walk?OK, see the stats. Prior to last year he lost 3 fumbles in his first 3 years.
I completely understand that he may have to move on and IMO does not merit a huge deal. My point more was that people were using the fumbling as a crutch, but seemed to gloss over all the positives he had this year.On 150+ less carries for the year. So, the question is...do you resign him at elite money that he wants and give him a part time load or let him walk?
This I do agree with.I completely understand that he may have to move on and IMO does not merit a huge deal. My point more was that people were using the fumbling as a crutch, but seemed to gloss over all the positives he had this year.
I don't see why it can't be both. He was a 1200 yard back in 2013. That's good production and I think what Murray is for anyone. But when an OL goes from solid to elite, the 1200 yard back becomes an 1800 yard back. I think that's what we saw happen.This I do agree with.
I'm even seeing some dummies credit the line for his production when the guy has been a good player from day 1.
His health was the only real question mark before this year, but the production had always been there.
He also averaged a half yard more per carry behind the less elite line in 2013.I don't see why it can't be both. He was a 1200 yard back in 2013. That's good production and I think what Murray is for anyone. But when an OL goes from solid to elite, the 1200 yard back becomes an 1800 yard back. I think that's what we saw happen.
On 9 less carries a game because we were slinging it constantly and his runs were catching people off guard. Once we went to a more convential offense his ypc would bound to drop a little.He also averaged a half yard more per carry behind the less elite line in 2013.
Lost fumbles is a cherry picking stat and I don't think he should be considered a fumbler either.OK, see the stats. Prior to last year he lost 3 fumbles in his first 3 years.
Why does NFL.com list him as having 5 fumbles lost during the regular season? I certainly seem to remember more then 3 fumbles during the regular season.He had 3 fumbles in the regular season and 1 in the playoffs. They happened at really bad times, but the frequency is overstated.
So we are hung up on 4 fumbles...not the 1845 yards, the 15 20+ yard runs, the 85 runs for first down, or the 13 TDs.
I like your roundingI don't see why it can't be both. He was a 1200 yard back in 2013.