2016 POTUS Election Thread

Jiggyfly said:

Those dam protesters just keep attacking peoples fist with their face.

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L.T. Fan said:

I'm not o over estimating anyone because all the stuff you read is someone who is writing and making judgements and who knows where they are picking up all their extreme opinions. It just seems that some are too eager to believe anything negative without knowing the full circumstances. The latest is the article that was posted. How credible is it after all and yet it is brandished as gospel.

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townsend said:

You're a man of business, tell me if you'd jump at the chance to invest in a Trump owned enterprise.

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townsend said:

What's the option here. Trump has a a damnable amount of evidence against him.

Not a few gaffes on the campaign trail, you're asking for a lack of condemnation where condemnation is appropriate, there's no other side to the bombastic and over covered over exposed, and over quoted moron, he's had more opportunity than any candidate in history to make his case, and he's shown himself to be a dangerous lying fool instead.

I can argue for or against every single politician from Cruz to Bernie, warts and all. But I cannot make a thoughtful argument in favor of Trump, because unlike any other candidate in 2016, the man has no upside. You assume there's two sides to this story, because you've made a false assumption that there are two sides to every story, there just isn't for Trump. He's unethical, unwise, unreasonable, irresponsible, incompetent, and a morally repugnant individual.

You're a man of business, tell me if you'd jump at the chance to invest in a Trump owned enterprise.

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Cowboysrock55 said:

Out of curiosity would you jump at the opportunity for a Bernie or Clinton enterprise? I sure as shit wouldn't.

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BipolarFan said:

This is all I know about Trump from listening to him speak:

1. Fuck Mexicans

2. Fuck Muslims

3. Megyn Kelly is a cunt bitch whore from hell.

3. Trust me, I'll make America great again. No, no, just trust me. I'll tell you how when elected.

How this could appeal to anyone but retards is beyond me.

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townsend said:

Clinton, and Bernie certainly haven't defrauded as many people as Trump

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Cowboysrock55 said:

This is actually pretty appealing if he could pull it off:

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BipolarFan said:

This is all I know about Trump from listening to him speak:

1. Fuck Mexicans

2. Fuck Muslims

3. Megyn Kelly is a cunt bitch whore from hell.

3. Trust me, I'll make America great again. No, no, just trust me. I'll tell you how when elected.

How this could appeal to anyone but retards is beyond me.

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Cowboysrock55 said:

They also haven't started businesses. Hell Bernie has barely worked...

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L.T. Fan said:

He doesn't strike fear in my heart. He isn't soliciting anyone to pay for his campaign. He isn't making deals with anyone. He is garnering a lot of support. He doesn't resemble your run of the mill politician which is attractive to a lot of people. He has changed his mind about certain positions which is better than n o t being open to change. Why is he the picture of a boogeyman?

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Jiggyfly said:

I was just going off the fact that his 1st 3 topics were the top 3 republican talking points against Trump for the last 3 weeks.

But really it's a shitty piece of journalism and I don't know why you would inflate it to make an opinion of anyone other than the author.

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Cowboysrock55 said:

They also haven't started businesses. Hell Bernie has barely worked...

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Genghis Khan said:

First, I called it as being from the left, and you tried to ridicule me over it. But I was right. It's not about the talking points, it's about agenda driven word choices and narrative. You could just tell. Well, not you actually, but one could just tell.

Second, I'm not trying to extrapolate anything. I'm pretty sure I used the word IF.

Also, if several of the criticisms are aimed at ideas favorable to the liberal platform, shouldn't avowed liberals be amenable to the person espousing them? I suspect this has more to do with the letter next to him. But I'd expect little more from a high school school paper writer trying way too hard to sound caustic because it's his only source for feeling validated and pseudo popular.

Regardless, the discussion between you and I had to do with the source of this nonsense and nothing more.

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townsend said:

Because when evaluated by factcheckers he's been the least honest on the campaign trail.

Because he's talked about circumventing the 1st amendment to create a Muslim database and bar Muslim entry.

Because he proposed forcing all illegals out in what would be the most catastrophic undertaking in American civilization.

Because he thinks building and maintaining a wall on the border is feasible, and someone else would pay for it, and that it would help the tiniest bit.

Because he has himself, on camera, told his supporters to assault someone.

Because he does not "change his mind" he changes his story. He lies and lies and lies and lies and has been caught in those lies, and denied he lied because he is at that moment lying. We're not talking about Cruz pretending to be a tea party guy when taking loans from Goldman Sachs, we're talking about a guy who has no stance on any issue that he hasn't contradicted multiple times. His lack of honesty at this point should be frightening because it either amounts to a lack of knowledge of recording equipment, a severe contempt for every person he's spoken to (my guess), or early onset dimentia. All of which make for a terrifying president.

Because he has yet to prove that he can grasp the enormous cognitive burden of being commander in chief. He really hasn't proven himself to be any smarter than any other reality star/branding icon like Kim Kardashian.

Because he's a failure of a business man, who's created more failed businesses than Hulk Hogan, and has been making money by defrauding investors and filing bankruptcy.

Because if an incompetent politician was named chairman of a corporation without any business experience, I would expect that company to fail miserably, and I would assume the people who hired him for not looking like a traditional businessman were idiots.

Because I wouldn't be scared to go to a Bernie Sanders rally wearing a Trump shirt, but I would be terrified to go to a Trump rally wearing a Cruz shirt, Sanders shirt, or a habib.

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L.T. Fan said:

All of that is his opinions which are liked by many. You obviously don't but that doesn't make him or his followers nut cases. It just means that they have opinions that aren't compatible to others.

I don't agree with some his opponents ideological ideas but you don't hear me disparaging them or their followers or digging up extreme commentaries just to paint a negative picture about them. It's just not necessary and undermines the dialogue in the discussion. It's not an objective approach to convincing anyone about anything. It just creates an inflammatory environment. If you disagree with someone fine but trying to win points with a flood of over the top commentary just isn't my cup of tea. I think your dialogue is so extreme sometime it detracts from the points you are trying to make.

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(CNN)Mitt Romney on Thursday warned his fellow Republicans that a vote for Donald Trump would doom the country to a dark and dangerous future while effectively ceding the White House to Hillary Clinton.

And then he got colorful.


The former Republican presidential nominee blistered Trump for nearly 20 minutes, calling the GOP front-runner a "phony" and a "fraud."

These were the most pointed lines.

On Trump's business record:
"But you say, 'Wait wait wait,' isn't he a huge business success? Doesn't he know what he's talking about? No he isn't. And know he doesn't. His bankruptcies have crushed small businesses and the men and women who worked for them. He inherited his business, he didn't create it. And what ever happened to Trump Airlines? How about Trump University? And then there's Trump Magazine and Trump Vodka and Trump Steaks and Trump Mortgage. A business genius he is not."

On Trump's foreign policy credentials:
"Donald Trump tells us that he is very, very smart. I'm afraid that when it comes to foreign policy he is very, very not smart."

On whether Trump has the temperament of a president:
"This is an individual who mocked a disabled reporter, who attributed a reporter's questions to her menstrual cycle, who mocked a brilliant rival who happened to be a woman due to her appearance, who bragged about his marital affairs, and who laces his public speeches with vulgarity."

On how Trump recalls spending the Vietnam War years:
"There is dark irony in his boasts of his sexual exploits during the Vietnam War while at the same time John McCain, whom he has mocked, was imprisoned and tortured."

On Trump's "hallmark" quality:
"Dishonesty is Trump's hallmark: He claimed that he had spoken clearly and boldly against going into Iraq. Wrong. He spoke in favor of invading Iraq. He said he saw thousands of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating 9/11. Wrong. He saw no such thing. He imagined it. He's not of the temperament of the kind of stable, thoughtful person we need as leader. His imagination must not be married to real power."

On his very specific plan to defeat Trump in the primary:
"Given the current delegate selection process, that means that I'd vote for Marco Rubio in Florida, for John Kasich in Ohio, and for Ted Cruz or whichever one of the other two contenders has the best chance of beating Mr. Trump in a given state."

On Trump's less appealing "personal qualities":
"Think of Donald Trump's personal qualities, the bullying, the greed, the showing off, the misogyny, the absurd third grade theatrics. We have long referred to him as 'The Donald.' He is the only person in the entire country to whom we have added an article before his name. And it wasn't because he had attributes we admired."

On what Romney thinks is the most ridiculous idea of the campaign season so far:
"What he said on '60 Minutes' about Syria and ISIS has to go down as the most ridiculous and dangerous idea of the campaign season: Let ISIS take out Assad, he said, and then we can pick up the remnants. Think about that: Let the most dangerous terror organization the world has ever known take over a country? This is recklessness in the extreme."

On what would happen if Trump released his tax returns and a tape of his off-the-record conversation with The New York Times:
"I predict that there are more bombshells in his tax returns. I predict that he doesn't give much if anything to the disabled and to our veterans. I predict that he told The New York Times that his immigration talk is just that: talk. ... If I'm right (that he won't release either), you will have all the proof you need to know that Donald Trump is, indeed, a phony."

On the value of a diploma from Trump University:
"Here's what I know. Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing the members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House and all we get is a lousy hat."

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