Video of Ray Ray punching fiancee released by TMZ

Clay_Allison · Sep 8, 2014

Carl said:
Though he did call for Goodell to resign about this months ago. At least he is consistent, and just what does this have to do with the left, dickhead?

Because it's Olbermann.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post

The source said that Rice admitted to the Ravens from the start that he was guilty of striking Janay and, for the most part, accurately described what they eventually saw on the video. But the brutality of the assault when seen on the security video made a different impression.

This is so fucking stupid right here. As I said before, why is it worse today than when it actually happened? Is the visual that damn bad? Or are you that stupid that you didn't know he smacked the hell out of her?

So, you knew he struck her all along, which you didn't need him to admit to in order to know that, but he still did which means he didn't attempt to hide anything, and yet all of that was ok until you saw it?

How fucking stupid is this?

I can just see these morons watching the vid and doing their best Terrell Owens "He caught it! He caught it!" impression as they watch.

OMGEEZ! He hit her! He hit her!

Give me a break.

1bigfan13 · Sep 9, 2014

Texas Ace said:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11493042/janay-rice-defends-ray-rice-criticizes-media-instagram-post

This is so fucking stupid right here. As I said before, why is it worse today than when it actually happened? Is the visual that damn bad? Or are you that stupid that you didn't know he smacked the hell out of her?

So, you knew he struck her all along, which you didn't need him to admit to in order to know that, but he still did which means he didn't attempt to hide anything, and yet all of that was ok until you saw it?

How fucking stupid is this?

I can just see these morons watching the vid and doing their best Terrell Owens "He caught it! He caught it!" impression as they watch.

OMGEEZ! He hit her! He hit her!

Give me a break.

Yeah this is dumb as hell. If Rice did indeed accurately explain what happened in the elevator then the NFL should have stuck with their light-assed 2 game suspension.

What's next, if videos of traffic cams are leaked will Brent be suspended indefinitely.

Goodell needs to resign.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

1bigfan13 said:
Yeah this is dumb as hell. If Rice did indeed accurately explain what happened in the elevator then the NFL should have stuck with their light-assed 2 game suspension.

What's next, if videos of traffic cams are leaked will Brent be suspended indefinitely.

Goodell needs to resign.

Exactly.

Even if no other evidence came out, and even if Ray Rice lied, anyone with half a brain knew that he had to have struck her violently in order to knock her unconscious.....it's fricking common sense.

But given the facts, it sounds as if all parties involved knew exactly what happened and had accepted it and decided to move on with the punishment while supporting the player and his wife.

But seeing the video changes it? How? For me, that video doesn't reveal anything, it simply confirms it.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

Another good read about this situation and Goodell's role in it:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/11491161/even-roger-goodell-stay-commissioner-ray-rice-videos-legacy-tarnished

What, exactly, did Goodell believe happened in that elevator? Didn't he realize the confrontation had to be at least as ugly and one-sided as it turned out to be? Wasn't the image on the first video -- of Rice dumping the unconscious Janay on her face -- enough to convince him the player had committed a violent act against a woman and needed to be severely punished?

Right on.

Carp · Sep 9, 2014

Texas Ace said:
Another good read about this situation and Goodell's role in it:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/11491161/even-roger-goodell-stay-commissioner-ray-rice-videos-legacy-tarnished

Right on.

If I am outside of the elevator I would think she was probably drunk...seen it more than a few times in a casino. So to assume she got knocked out in the elevator is a big leap.

NoDak · Sep 9, 2014

Carp said:
If I am outside of the elevator I would think she was probably drunk...seen it more than a few times in a casino. So to assume she got knocked out in the elevator is a big leap.

Couldn't really tell by that video, but I'd guess that from shot she took from Rice and the one from the hand rail, there was probably some swelling going on. I've seen people swell up instantly like the elephant man from stuff like that.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

Carp said:
If I am outside of the elevator I would think she was probably drunk...seen it more than a few times in a casino. So to assume she got knocked out in the elevator is a big leap.

Well yea, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about making that assumption after the video being released of her being unconscious coupled with his admission that he struck her.

How could you possibly come to any other conclusion other than he struck her violently after that?

Carp · Sep 9, 2014

NoDak said:
Couldn't really tell by that video, but I'd guess that from shot she took from Rice and the one from the hand rail, there was probably some swelling going on. I've seen people swell up instantly like the elephant man from stuff like that.

Her face is on the ground, so her face was not real visible. I'm just saying, more often than not there are drunk people coming out of elevators in places like that. Read something earlier where the casino employee asked if she was drunk.

Carp · Sep 9, 2014

Texas Ace said:
Well yea, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about making that assumption after the video being released of her being unconscious coupled with his admission that he struck her.

How could you possibly come to any other conclusion other than he struck her violently after that?

At what point did he admit that?

NoDak · Sep 9, 2014

Carp said:
Her face is on the ground, so her face was not real visible. I'm just saying, more often than not there are drunk people coming out of elevators in places like that. Read something earlier where the casino employee asked if she was drunk.

Yeah, I can certainly see that, and it would be my first impression too. I was more talking along the lines of the people there seeing her all swollen up once they were close enough to see. You'd think they would have reported that.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

Carp said:
Her face is on the ground, so her face was not real visible. I'm just saying, more often than not there are drunk people coming out of elevators in places like that. Read something earlier where the casino employee asked if she was drunk.

Yea, if you're there and you just see this woman lying on the ground out of the elevator, you're not going to automatically assume that she was struck.

When I say they had to know what happened, I'm talking about Goodell, the NFL's investigative team, and the Ravens. They didn't just have a vid of a woman laying on the ground to go on, they had an admission from Ray Rice that that he struck her.

No one from the aforementioned parties should be pretending like they didn't know it was that bad or whatever. Even if they didn't see it, they knew because it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Texas Ace · Sep 9, 2014

Carp said:
At what point did he admit that?

I posted it above, but here it is again:

The source said that Rice admitted to the Ravens from the start that he was guilty of striking Janay and, for the most part, accurately described what they eventually saw on the video. But the brutality of the assault when seen on the security video made a different impression.

Carp · Sep 9, 2014

You have to have the video that surfaced though.

Kbrown · Sep 9, 2014

I could see Goodell going down for this. Adam Schefter stepped out of his normal role of benign NFL-approved "insider" and more or less called out NFL officials for lying about their access to the tape and making him and others look stupid.

The NFL enjoys a pretty cozy deal with these "journalists" who are given insider access in exchange for promoting the league and never really rocking the boat. If that deal sours, it could be pretty damaging.

dallen · Sep 9, 2014

Kbrown said:
I could see Goodell going down for this. Adam Schefter stepped out of his normal role of benign NFL-approved "insider" and more or less called out NFL officials for lying about their access to the tape and making him and others look stupid.

The NFL enjoys a pretty cozy deal with these "journalists" who are given insider access in exchange for promoting the league and never really rocking the boat. If that deal sours, it could be pretty damaging.

ESPN won't let that happen

Thorn · Sep 9, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
The overblown moral outrage by the left on every little thing these days is getting really tiresome. Of course their existence isn't justified without fabricating a wrong that needs righting.

The sad part is that you end up with a burst of feigned moral outrage, an outcry for change and then... wait for it... no actual effort to change the issue that brought about such an outcry in the first place.

The social media & instant information age has made it incredibly satisfying to rabble at something that, truthfully, you really don't care about.

You have millions of people who don't care about football or the Rice family, voicing outrage on a scale that pushes the NFL, the Ravens and media pundits to do everything they can possibly think of to demonize Rice, speak towards zero-tolerance policies for domestic violence and cater to the short-lived rage of a collective of people that will move on to the next outrage within 2-3 days, barring another juicy detail.

I don't know if I'm articulating it very well. It's all just so... fake. Feigned and exaggerated outrage. Feigned and exaggerated contrition. Posturing on all fronts.

Rice did something violent and stupid. I agree with the Ravens disassociating with him. I don't agree with the NFL suspending him - no other team is going to sign him in this climate anyway, let the justice system punish crime.

Just a really stupid situation. I'm hoping it dies down by next weekend. Watching the double header last night, I spent six hours constantly being reminded that - despite the, you know, FOOTBALL - going on on my television... the real story was that a man punched a woman on an elevator.

I can only watch football personalities awkwardly talk about domestic violence for so long. So yeah, here's hoping that by the time Sunday rolls around, most of the outrage machine has moved on.

Cotton · Sep 9, 2014

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jsmith6919 · Sep 9, 2014

Thorn said:
I can only watch football personalities awkwardly talk about domestic violence for so long. So yeah, here's hoping that by the time Sunday rolls around, most of the outrage machine has moved on.

Might as well figure on Costas soapboxing Sunday night, I'm sure he has his rant ready to go.

Foobio · Sep 9, 2014

Thorn said:
The sad part is that you end up with a burst of feigned moral outrage, an outcry for change and then... wait for it... no actual effort to change the issue that brought about such an outcry in the first place.

The social media & instant information age has made it incredibly satisfying to rabble at something that, truthfully, you really don't care about.

You have millions of people who don't care about football or the Rice family, voicing outrage on a scale that pushes the NFL, the Ravens and media pundits to do everything they can possibly think of to demonize Rice, speak towards zero-tolerance policies for domestic violence and cater to the short-lived rage of a collective of people that will move on to the next outrage within 2-3 days, barring another juicy detail.

I don't know if I'm articulating it very well. It's all just so... fake. Feigned and exaggerated outrage. Feigned and exaggerated contrition. Posturing on all fronts.

Rice did something violent and stupid. I agree with the Ravens disassociating with him. I don't agree with the NFL suspending him - no other team is going to sign him in this climate anyway, let the justice system punish crime.

Just a really stupid situation. I'm hoping it dies down by next weekend. Watching the double header last night, I spent six hours constantly being reminded that - despite the, you know, FOOTBALL - going on on my television... the real story was that a man punched a woman on an elevator.

I can only watch football personalities awkwardly talk about domestic violence for so long. So yeah, here's hoping that by the time Sunday rolls around, most of the outrage machine has moved on.

No I think you're about right. Watching fat middle aged white guys burning their Rice jerseys in their driveways is pretty creepy. They had no outrage before. Their outrage stems from the fact that he won't be playing now.

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