The Great Republican Revolt

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MSNBC is the same way. It's people playing at an ideology they never really bought into. So they just play into frustration and anger. What's hilarious is there are plenty of people who hate it, but watch it religiously so they can be angry at it. And that's why Fox News exists, to manipulate people into being outraged.
I sense a great deal of projection in this post.
 

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I know. They don't slant it to the left like most other networks. How despicable.

MSNBC does what you and Bipo claim Fox does but with a far left liberal slant. Yet I never hear criticism about them from any of you or any other liberals. So its hard to take the complaints about Fox seriously because its obviously just based on partisan bias.
All networks do it to the point that I'm not sure anyone would know what unbiased news looks like at this point.
 

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All networks do it to the point that I'm not sure anyone would know what unbiased news looks like at this point.
That's exactly my thoughts as well. The bias of the control group of the networks dictate how the reporting is shaped.
 

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I just feel sorry for W. He's a great guy who got sucked into Washington, chewed up and spit out. The job was too big for him.
I see where you are coming from, but it isn't like he was forced into it. He chose to run. He was a great guy to have owning my baseball team. I wished he'd stuck with that
 

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I see where you are coming from, but it isn't like he was forced into it. He chose to run. He was a great guy to have owning my baseball team. I wished he'd stuck with that
Virtually every President is deemed a failure by some. It's always a matter of who writes the history book. We are all products of some one else's commentary as far as our perspectives.
 

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All networks do it to the point that I'm not sure anyone would know what unbiased news looks like at this point.
I hate this narrative though, because it ignores the degrees of bias that each network has. NPR is way way different than Fox News. CNN isn't biased as much as its run by incompetent boobs. Fox and MSNBC are propaganda made for the soft minded.
 

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I hate this narrative though, because it ignores the degrees of bias that each network has. NPR is way way different than Fox News. CNN isn't biased as much as its run by incompetent boobs. Fox and MSNBC are propaganda made for the soft minded.
Soft minded? Funny. That's what I think of drug use. We all have opinions.
 

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I see where you are coming from, but it isn't like he was forced into it. He chose to run. He was a great guy to have owning my baseball team. I wished he'd stuck with that
He gave it a real go IMO but just wasn't big enough for the role. By the second half of his second term he looked completely defeated to me.

His policies ended up sucking. He ended up being a a HUGE government guy. Dot-com bust, 911, Iraq, financial crisises, lots were not his fault, some he created, some he just didn't know what to do. It had me yearning for Clinton. And I USED to be a Rush L. Republican. lol

Wow, what a mess.
 

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I wouldn't watch cable news even if I had cable. Too much blinking and flashing and scrolling and shouting. Fox is by far the worst in that regard, or it was last I checked.

I mainly listen to NPR, although I disagree with a fair chunk of its commentary. They present the news in an even tone that is much more my style. Plus they do some interesting stuff about art and technology. I never got the appeal of angry guys yelling news commentary.
 

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I wouldn't watch cable news even if I had cable. Too much blinking and flashing and scrolling and shouting. Fox is by far the worst in that regard, or it was last I checked.

I mainly listen to NPR, although I disagree with a fair chunk of its commentary. They present the news in an even tone that is much more my style. Plus they do some interesting stuff about art and technology. I never got the appeal of angry guys yelling news commentary.
I agree with you. Although I don't listen to NPR. I'll occasionally stoop flipping through on a cable news station but rarely watch. I haven't seen a debate yet this year. Its too depressing and I can afford to be down now with the health issues my household is having.
 

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Soft minded? Funny. That's what I think of drug use. We all have opinions.
I wouldn't necessarily disagree with drug use. I don't know any drug users who have big things going on in their lives.
Most of the people I know of that used were kind of endangering their careers by doing so.
 

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I hate this narrative though, because it ignores the degrees of bias that each network has. NPR is way way different than Fox News. CNN isn't biased as much as its run by incompetent boobs. Fox and MSNBC are propaganda made for the soft minded.
There are degrees, but regardless of degree they are all left of center except Fox. It'd balance it out if maybe one or two of the mainstream networks leaned slightly right, but no, they're all left.

Fox sprung up to counter the leftwing mainstream media. Then MSNBC went decidedly left to counter Fox. But CNN was always tilted left being founder by Turner. At the very least it'd be nice to think the 3 major networks were unbiased or at least professional enough to keep their biases to themselves, but they don't. I remember election night in '80 when Barbara Walters was in tears and trying to hide it because Jimmy Carter lost to Reagan. Last 20 years that don't even attempt to hide it anymore. The majority of the exec's, producers and on camera reporters for the mainstream networks either worked for the Carter, Clinton or Obama admins or are married to people who did. Quite a few are married to people inside the current Obama admin.

Never could take Dan Rather serious. Just like everyone knows people like George Stephanopolous is a lefty from Clinton's admin who tries to act like he's unbiased but is totally in the tank for Hillary as well as liberal viewpoints.

I know there are reasons for it. Most of these news reporters and producers come from liberal journalism schools and/or are from big cities with liberal backgrounds. Everyone is going to have personal biases but being professionals they should try to report the news not try to shape the news. Now days it's more about advocacy than it is actual reporting.

And everyone knows Fox is to the right. But the constant whining about it on a national level by people who totally ignore the fact every other network is to the left to some degree if not blatantly like MSNBC to ridiculous.

Even as a conservative I know what Fox is but they are the only one's on TV that counter the lefty media. But even though I'm conservative I wouldn't want all the others to be tilted to the right. I'm in favor of independent unbiased media that wouldn't so easily be turned into a US version of Pravda. But from what I've seen the last 15 years I think most libs would abolish Fox if they could and do just that, have a 100% monopoly on left leaning / blatant liberal media. Then again, many on the left do have socialist/communist tendencies.
 

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I wouldn't watch cable news even if I had cable. Too much blinking and flashing and scrolling and shouting. Fox is by far the worst in that regard, or it was last I checked.

I mainly listen to NPR, although I disagree with a fair chunk of its commentary. They present the news in an even tone that is much more my style. Plus they do some interesting stuff about art and technology. I never got the appeal of angry guys yelling news commentary.
NPR is calm but they are also mostly liberal. I know Juan Williams was on NPR for years until he was let go a couple of years ago. Fox hired him to be the 'voice of the left' on their show "The Five" taking Bob Beckels place.
 

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It works that way on the other networks. The ownership or chairmanship sets the tone and direction of the network. All of them think they are responsible for shaping the news rather than just reporting it.
No other network news is mandated by the owner and chairman like Fox news is.

The only other network that has a clear tone is MSNBC and they give their anchors far more leeway.

CNN has clearly started to lean more conservative to compete with Fox.
 

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I know. They don't slant it to the left like most other networks. How despicable.

MSNBC does what you and Bipo claim Fox does but with a far left liberal slant. Yet I never hear criticism about them from any of you or any other liberals. So its hard to take the complaints about Fox seriously because its obviously just based on partisan bias.
MSNBC does not consistently tow the party line or run with the party talking points all day like Fox does.

They offer actual criticism of certain issues and Fox has nothing like Morning Joe a show hosted by a actual former republican office holder and by the wat it's there highest rated show.

Also unlike Fox they have the former head of the RNC as a consistent recurring guest and they don't try and shout him down everytime he is on.

Yes MSNBC leans left and some shows are Fox like but the network as a whole is much more balanced.
 

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MSNBC does not consistently tow the party line or run with the party talking points all day like Fox does.
Uh...yes they do.

They offer actual criticism of certain issues and Fox has nothing like Morning Joe a show hosted by a actual former republican office holder and by the wat it's there highest rated show.

Also unlike Fox they have the former head of the RNC as a consistent recurring guest and they don't try and shout him down everytime he is on.

Yes MSNBC leans left and some shows are Fox like but the network as a whole is much more balanced.
Spoken like a true biased liberal.
 

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He's correct to a certain degree. MSNBC does make an attempt to be more than the ultra-left wing "news" outlet that it is. It fails miserably, but it tries. It has anchors and guests who buck to liberal line and lean conservative, and, for the most part, the network doesn't drown them out. However, this is nothing more than spin doctoring. It allows MSNBC to puff its chest up and claim that it's not as biased as Fox because it doesn't shit on the anchors who have opposing points of view. The problem is that any reasonable person who has partial brain function recognizes that its nothing more than self-serving lip service and a blatant insult to the collective intelligence of the audience.
 

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I agree. Libs point out a RINO like Scarborough co-hosts a show as if that proves they dont have a leftist agenda. Well liberals Iike Alan Colmes co-hosts a show on Fox for years. Not to mention people like Bob Beckel and Juan Williams having prominent roles on one of Fox's highest rated shows. Then there's Shephard Smith who has hosted a program for years who is openly gay and far from a conservative.

So I guess that proves Fox News is mainstream too.
 
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I love it when people try to defend MSNBC as just less biased. As though it's acceptable because Fox News is worse. You can't weigh bias. Your station is either biased or it isn't. To try and compare the degree of bias is laughable.
 
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