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No I don't think what Trump said can be considered racist by the textbook definition but what he did was race baiting which is used to appeal to a racist mindset.

What he did and has been doing is no better than being an actual racist and I don't understand the semantics being used to give him cover.

How does he get a pass for race baiting?
 

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That is completely out of context. It wasn't about whether the judge could do his job it was whether he may be biased against Trump and it might affect his rulings. Haven't you been reading this part of this thread. There are different opinions as to what was being questioned. Trump questioned the judge because of Trumps position on illegal immigrants and whether his heritage would influence him. That isn't a racial issue it's a legal issue.
And yet you can never answer the question of why Trump called him Mexican from the beginning.

Why did he inject that into the discussion?

Do you condone race baiting?
 

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And yet you can never answer the question of why Trump called him Mexican from the beginning.

Why did he inject that into the discussion?

Do you condone race baiting?
I have answered it twice already and its still the same answer. He only said that after he said the judge should recuse himself later he said the judge is Mexican but that's ok. It's a reference to whether his heritage would create a bias toward his rulings because of Trump' s position on illegal immigrants. It's legal maneuvering toward finding a way to get the judge off the case because Trump felt hisrulings were bias against Trump. This isn't an unusual thing at all in legal battles and unless Trump uses the term Mexican there is no basis for introducing a move to recuse. It's about the lawsuit not the individual.
 

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Clinton Foundation donor got post on intelligence advisory board even though he had no experience
The donor, Raj Fernando, spent heavily to get Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2008, and is one of her superdelegates and bundlers now
He also traveled to Africa once with Bill Clinton and has given between $1 and 5 million to the Clintons' charity
When questions arose about his placement State Department intelligence board, in 2011 he suddenly resigned.

Newly released State Department emails reveal that a donor to Clinton Foundation received a post on a intelligence advisory board even though he was comparatively unqualified for the position.
'We had no idea who he was,' one board member told ABC anonymously.
The donor, Raj Fernando, spent heavily to get Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2008, and is one of her superdelegates and bundlers now, ABC News reports.
He also traveled to Africa once with Bill Clinton and has given between $1 and 5 million to the Clintons' charity, its website says.

When the news organization began asking questions about his placement on the International Security Advisory Board (ISAB) in 2011, he suddenly resigned.
ABC continued tracking of the case through 2012, and chased down Fernando at the Democratic National Convention that year. The news network was intercepted by security and threatened with arrest, however,
As the result of an email dump to conservative investigative and documentary group Citizens United after two years of litigation, ABC now has its hands on emails related to the appointment, bringing the story back to the forefront.
The internal State Department emails prove officials actively worked to to keep the conflict of interest appointment from becoming a story, first by stalling, then by accepting Fernando's resignation, all in to 'protect the name' of the secretary and undersecretary of state.
ABC stumbled across the Clinton Foundation donor's involvement with the ISAB while it was working on another story.
What began as a routine line of questioning about Fernando's qualifications as a securities trader in Chicago to serve on a committee that also included a former Secretary of Defense, a former National Security Advisor and members of Congress, ballooned as State ducked and dodged.

'As you can see from the attached, it's natural to ask how he got onto the board when compared to the rest of the esteemed list of members,' the press aide handling the inquiry said in an email.
In the same email, to Wade Boese, who was Chief of Staff for the Office of the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, sent on the evening of August 15, she said 'it appears there is much more to this story that we're unaware of.

The purpose of the ISAB, according to one State Department email, was to provide independent insight and advice on arms control and international security.
'It is certainly a serious, knowledgeable and experienced group of experts,' Princeton professor Bruce Blair, whose centers on the elimination of nuclear weapons, told ABC.
Blair said, 'Much of the focus has been on questions of nuclear stability and the risks of nuclear weapons use by Russia and Pakistan.''

A bio approved for release after several ABC inquiries says Fernando brought a 'unique perspective' to the board that dealt with top secret information, given his position.
Internally, it was said that he brought 'youth, enthusiasm, a business perspective and and expertise in cybersecurity.'
ABC described his craft as electronic investing and high-frequency trading and said its review of his work suggests his only real qualification seemed to be that he was tech savvy.
The only tangible criteria Fernando, who at the time ran Chopper Trading, a top firm in that field, met, according to the documents, was that Hillary Clinton's office wanted him.
Emails from 2009 that Clinton's Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills sent regarding the vetting process for members of the ISAB include two names that were not on the original list that specifically asked about.
Those emails are almost entirely redacted, including the names of the individuals that Clinton requested.

But later, as ABC poked around,the press aide handling the request, Jamie Mannina, received this explanation for the post from Boese: 'The true answer is that S staff (Cheryl Mills) added him.
'The board's membership preceded me. Raj was not on the list sent to S; he was added at their insistence,' Boese told her.
The letter 'S' was often used as short-hand for the secretary's office.

That was in response to Mannina's request for information she could share about the selection process that was used to decide who should serve on the government intelligence advisory board.

As ABC poked around,the press aide handling the request, Jamie Mannina, received this explanation for the post: 'The true answer is that S staff (Cheryl Mills) added him. Mills is seated here behind Clinton as she testifies before Congress on Benghazi in October of 2015

In the meantime, ABC was also reaching out to Fernando and other board members about the matter, the internal deliberations show.
An email from Fernando's email to the board's executive director, Chip Hartman, on August 15, the same day that Mannina put in press requests, was redacted as confidential.
The next day emails show she was asked by Mills 'to stall for 24 hours.' A paragraph of that message was also redacted.
A day late, on August 17, Fernando resigned.

He stated in the letter to Clinton that the 'unique, unexpected and excessive volatility in the international markets these last few weeks and months require me to focus on the operations of my company.'
'Mr. Fernando chose to resign from the Board earlier this month citing additional time needed to devote to his business,” it reads, noting that membership on the board was required to be “fairly balanced in terms of the points of view represented and the functions to be performed by the advisory committee,' State told ABC News two days later.
State's claim that he left the board 'earlier this month' hid the true timeline of events, which include the fact that he resigned just two days after ABC began asking questions.
Fernando's appointment to the board raise suspicions given his long history of giving to the Clintons.
He maxed out to Hillary's presidential PAC, HillPAC, in 2007 and 2008, ABC says, and raised $100,000 for her campaign directly.

Fernando also raised big dollar amounts for Barack Obama in 2008 after Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to him.
After Barack Obama bested Clinton for the 2008 nomination, Fernando became a major fundraiser for the Obama campaign. Six months after his resignation from the intelligence advisory board, he was invited to attend a State dinner at the White House for the British prime minister.
At the time he was given the State Department appointment, he'd given between $100,000 and $250,000 to Clinton Foundation, ABC discovered.
He further donated $30,000 to the group WomenCount that was renting out Clinton's campaign email list as she struggled to run down her debt after her campaign collapsed.
In July of 2015, he held a fundraiser for Clinton's current bid, the ABC report notes, and has continued to help raise money for her 2016 campaign.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635342/More-trouble-Hillary-report-reveals-Clinton-Foundation-donor-got-post-intelligence-advisory-board-no-experience.html#ixzz4BDMAnzc7
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She is so shady it is legitimately scary.
 

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I have answered it twice already and its still the same answer. He only said that after he said the judge should recuse himself later he said the judge is Mexican but that's ok. It's a reference to whether his heritage would create a bias toward his rulings because of Trump' s position on illegal immigrants. It's legal maneuvering toward finding a way to get the judge off the case because Trump felt hisrulings were bias against Trump. This isn't an unusual thing at all in legal battles and unless Trump uses the term Mexican there is no basis for introducing a move to recuse. It's about the lawsuit not the individual.
And you are still wrong he called him mexican before he got into any of that, I posted the video.

Why are you ignoring the facts?
 

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Clinton Foundation donor got post on intelligence advisory board even though he had no experience
The donor, Raj Fernando, spent heavily to get Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2008, and is one of her superdelegates and bundlers now
He also traveled to Africa once with Bill Clinton and has given between $1 and 5 million to the Clintons' charity
When questions arose about his placement State Department intelligence board, in 2011 he suddenly resigned.

Newly released State Department emails reveal that a donor to Clinton Foundation received a post on a intelligence advisory board even though he was comparatively unqualified for the position.
'We had no idea who he was,' one board member told ABC anonymously.
The donor, Raj Fernando, spent heavily to get Hillary Clinton in the White House in 2008, and is one of her superdelegates and bundlers now, ABC News reports.
He also traveled to Africa once with Bill Clinton and has given between $1 and 5 million to the Clintons' charity, its website says.

When the news organization began asking questions about his placement on the International Security Advisory Board (ISAB) in 2011, he suddenly resigned.
ABC continued tracking of the case through 2012, and chased down Fernando at the Democratic National Convention that year. The news network was intercepted by security and threatened with arrest, however,
As the result of an email dump to conservative investigative and documentary group Citizens United after two years of litigation, ABC now has its hands on emails related to the appointment, bringing the story back to the forefront.
The internal State Department emails prove officials actively worked to to keep the conflict of interest appointment from becoming a story, first by stalling, then by accepting Fernando's resignation, all in to 'protect the name' of the secretary and undersecretary of state.
ABC stumbled across the Clinton Foundation donor's involvement with the ISAB while it was working on another story.
What began as a routine line of questioning about Fernando's qualifications as a securities trader in Chicago to serve on a committee that also included a former Secretary of Defense, a former National Security Advisor and members of Congress, ballooned as State ducked and dodged.

'As you can see from the attached, it's natural to ask how he got onto the board when compared to the rest of the esteemed list of members,' the press aide handling the inquiry said in an email.
In the same email, to Wade Boese, who was Chief of Staff for the Office of the Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, sent on the evening of August 15, she said 'it appears there is much more to this story that we're unaware of.

The purpose of the ISAB, according to one State Department email, was to provide independent insight and advice on arms control and international security.
'It is certainly a serious, knowledgeable and experienced group of experts,' Princeton professor Bruce Blair, whose centers on the elimination of nuclear weapons, told ABC.
Blair said, 'Much of the focus has been on questions of nuclear stability and the risks of nuclear weapons use by Russia and Pakistan.''

A bio approved for release after several ABC inquiries says Fernando brought a 'unique perspective' to the board that dealt with top secret information, given his position.
Internally, it was said that he brought 'youth, enthusiasm, a business perspective and and expertise in cybersecurity.'
ABC described his craft as electronic investing and high-frequency trading and said its review of his work suggests his only real qualification seemed to be that he was tech savvy.
The only tangible criteria Fernando, who at the time ran Chopper Trading, a top firm in that field, met, according to the documents, was that Hillary Clinton's office wanted him.
Emails from 2009 that Clinton's Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills sent regarding the vetting process for members of the ISAB include two names that were not on the original list that specifically asked about.
Those emails are almost entirely redacted, including the names of the individuals that Clinton requested.

But later, as ABC poked around,the press aide handling the request, Jamie Mannina, received this explanation for the post from Boese: 'The true answer is that S staff (Cheryl Mills) added him.
'The board's membership preceded me. Raj was not on the list sent to S; he was added at their insistence,' Boese told her.
The letter 'S' was often used as short-hand for the secretary's office.

That was in response to Mannina's request for information she could share about the selection process that was used to decide who should serve on the government intelligence advisory board.

As ABC poked around,the press aide handling the request, Jamie Mannina, received this explanation for the post: 'The true answer is that S staff (Cheryl Mills) added him. Mills is seated here behind Clinton as she testifies before Congress on Benghazi in October of 2015

In the meantime, ABC was also reaching out to Fernando and other board members about the matter, the internal deliberations show.
An email from Fernando's email to the board's executive director, Chip Hartman, on August 15, the same day that Mannina put in press requests, was redacted as confidential.
The next day emails show she was asked by Mills 'to stall for 24 hours.' A paragraph of that message was also redacted.
A day late, on August 17, Fernando resigned.

He stated in the letter to Clinton that the 'unique, unexpected and excessive volatility in the international markets these last few weeks and months require me to focus on the operations of my company.'
'Mr. Fernando chose to resign from the Board earlier this month citing additional time needed to devote to his business,” it reads, noting that membership on the board was required to be “fairly balanced in terms of the points of view represented and the functions to be performed by the advisory committee,' State told ABC News two days later.
State's claim that he left the board 'earlier this month' hid the true timeline of events, which include the fact that he resigned just two days after ABC began asking questions.
Fernando's appointment to the board raise suspicions given his long history of giving to the Clintons.
He maxed out to Hillary's presidential PAC, HillPAC, in 2007 and 2008, ABC says, and raised $100,000 for her campaign directly.

Fernando also raised big dollar amounts for Barack Obama in 2008 after Clinton lost the Democratic nomination to him.
After Barack Obama bested Clinton for the 2008 nomination, Fernando became a major fundraiser for the Obama campaign. Six months after his resignation from the intelligence advisory board, he was invited to attend a State dinner at the White House for the British prime minister.
At the time he was given the State Department appointment, he'd given between $100,000 and $250,000 to Clinton Foundation, ABC discovered.
He further donated $30,000 to the group WomenCount that was renting out Clinton's campaign email list as she struggled to run down her debt after her campaign collapsed.
In July of 2015, he held a fundraiser for Clinton's current bid, the ABC report notes, and has continued to help raise money for her 2016 campaign.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635342/More-trouble-Hillary-report-reveals-Clinton-Foundation-donor-got-post-intelligence-advisory-board-no-experience.html#ixzz4BDMAnzc7
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She is so shady it is legitimately scary.
No more scary than any other politician, you can find the same things happening in every administration.
 

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And you are still wrong he called him mexican before he got into any of that, I posted the video.

Why are you ignoring the facts?
Well go back and look again because right up front of the clip Trump said first he should recuse himself. There is then a break in the clip then Trump makes reference to him being a Mexican but said in essence it doesn't matter. You have either forgotten what you posted or you are deliberately taking an arbitrary position. Exact words " He happens to be a Mexican which is great I think it's fine"
 
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Well go back and look again.
Why do I need to go back when you are the one wrong.

At the rally he says the judge is bad a couple of times and then says he is Mexican.

Why are you ok with him injecting race but upset at everybody else?
 

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Joseph Coors

Coors was perhaps best known for his conservative politics, including his support of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, whom he first met in Palm Springs, California in 1967. His brother William Coors once described him as "a little bit right of Attila the Hun".[5] A founding member of the conservative Washington Heritage Foundation think tank in 1973 along with Paul Weyrich and Edwin Feulner (which formulated many of Reagan's campaign ideas), Coors provided $250,000 to cover its first year budget, and $300,000/year thereafter.[5] He was also involved with the founding of the Free Congress Foundation and the Council for National Policy. He was a member of Ronald Reagan's Kitchen Cabinet after helping finance Reagan's political career as governor of California and U.S. president, and was later nominated by Reagan to sit on the board of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.[2]

In the 1970s, despite his father inviting union representation in 1934, Coors decided to bar trade unions from his plants, precipitating a 20-month strike in August 1977 - December 1978 by the Brewery Workers Local 366 in Golden, Colorado.[6] The company eventually won, but suffered a 10-year boycott of its beers by outraged members of the AFL-CIO. In the aftermath of his anti-union campaign, Coors required new employees to take lie detector tests, which was discontinued in August 1986.[6]

In 1977 after a regional agreement prevented the movement of toxic aluminum waste from aluminum can production across adjacent state borders, Coors set up the Mountain States Legal Foundation, headed by local lawyer James G. Watt to fight the environmental constraints in the courts. Watts later became U.S. secretary of the interior, and appointed local attorney Anne Gorsuch as head of the Environmental Protection Agency to dismantle toxic waste disposal laws, causing an outcry that got her sacked by Reagan after 22 months, after which Watt was forced to resign for politically-insensitive remarks; in the end, a score of the appointees pushed on the administration by Coors and his group were criminally convicted for their part in the environmental fiasco.
Coors was also known to have privately donated $65,000 to buy a light cargo plane for the Contras' effort in Nicaragua during Reagan's presidency. That donation went through National Security Council adviser Oliver North.[7]
 

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Why do I need to go back when you are the one wrong.

At the rally he says the judge is bad a couple of times and then says he is Mexican.

Why are you ok with him injecting race but upset at everybody else?
I just played it again andyou are going to be embarrassed. I am talking about the very first part of the clip.
 

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No more scary than any other politician, you can find the same things happening in every administration.
What does this matter? Seriously. The default retort here is always, "But the other side is bad, too!"

Ronald Reagan is dead.
 

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Why do I need to go back when you are the one wrong.

At the rally he says the judge is bad a couple of times and then says he is Mexican.

Why are you ok with him injecting race but upset at everybody else?
I didn't hear the judge is bad in the clip.
 

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I just played it again andyou are going to be embarrassed. I am talking about the very first part of the clip.
What?

Right he says the judge should recuse himself and then says he is mexican, why bring that up?

He says nothing about his alleged bias he goes straight to the Mexican card.
 

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What does this matter? Seriously. The default retort here is always, "But the other side is bad, too!"

Ronald Reagan is dead.
I don't see how this is so scary when it's something that is already baked into politics.

I have never claimed Hillary is a saint she is a politician like everybody else and should be judged accordingly.
 

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What?

Right he says the judge should recuse himself and then says he is mexican, why bring that up?

He says nothing about his alleged bias he goes straight to the Mexican card.
Are you not connecting the dots? That is the key word to tie the judge as being bias against Trump because of his position on illegal immigrants. Hypothetically it ties the judges heritage to making him bias against Trump. That's the whole reason for even using the word . It's a legal maneuver. Let one of the practicing attorneys explain it to you. Ploys are used in the legal process all the time. It a strategic move to try to get an edge for a hearing or motion or position. There was also an edit break in the clip so who knows what else was said in between.
 
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Are you not connecting the dots? That is the key word to tie the judge as being bias against Trump because of his position on illegal immigrants. Hypothetically it ties the judges heritage to making him bias against Trump. That's the whole reason for even using the word . It's a legal maneuver. Let one of the practicing attorneys explain it to you. Ploys are used in the legal process all the time. It a strategic move to try to get an edge for a hearing or motion or position. There was also an edit break in the clip so who knows what else was said in between.
Wow.

You are more delusional than I thought.

Did you actually say this could possibly get him an edge.:lol

Not to mention you are ok with him using a presidential campaign to strategically win a personal case.
 

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Wow.

You are more delusional than I thought.

Did you actually say this could possibly get him an edge.:lol

Not to mention you are ok with him using a presidential campaign to strategically win a personal case.
Your remarks only make you look silly.
 
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