Jiggyfly
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I never said that he is pulling shit out of his ass.He seriously thinks Kliff learned the Air Raid from Sumlin? Really?
I never said that he is pulling shit out of his ass.He seriously thinks Kliff learned the Air Raid from Sumlin? Really?
Unrelated?The guy that lost the Bama job over getting spotted at a strip club and the guy who drew up the unrelated Run and Shoot offense.
In American football the air raid offense refers to an offensive scheme popularized by such coaches as Mike Leach, Hal Mumme, Sonny Dykes, and Tony Franklin during their tenures at Valdosta State, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Louisiana Tech, and Washington State.
The system is designed out of a shotgun formation with four wide receivers and one running back. The formations are a variation of the run and shoot offense with two outside receivers and two inside slot receivers. The offense also uses trips formations featuring three wide receivers on one side of the field and a lone single receiver on the other side.
Yeah, that's some wild speculation on that wiki editor's part, there's no coaching link between Leach and Mouse Davis, June Jones or any other R&S coach. Every offense has 4 wide packages in it, Coryell, WCO, Erhardt-Perkins. You have to look at the terminology to find the roots of the system and which coaching tree it's from.Unrelated?
You really have no idea what you are talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raid_offense
Mumme coached his way rapidly down to division III shortly after Leach left Kentucky, so I question his offensive Genius. Fact is that people are following Leach because they are hiring his coaching tree. Briles, Dykes, Cumbie, Holgorsen, Kingsbury, all Leach assistants and/or players. His coaching tree is getting Coryell-level extensive when you start including even single degrees of separation.I never said Kliff learned the air raid from Sumlin so stop that bullshit right now.
Everybody does not run the Air Raid, there are different variations of the spread which is a variation of the run and shoot.
So claiming everybody is following Leach is extremely short sided.
Joe tiller who coached Brees is also a person who influenced a lot of what is going on.
Hal Mumme also is a forefather in all of this.
Mayock and McShay are already basically saying he's right there with Goff and Lynch, NFLDraftScout has him at 18th overall right now. With a strong Senior Bowl he will only rise, likely to the point where pretty much everybody would be comfortable taking him at 4.We will see but I think there is a possibility that we are talking about 3 QBs at the top of this draft and in no particular order after the Senior Bowl. I think teams are a lot higher on Wentz then what "experts" initially realized.
He will go in the first. The question is how high and how willing the team is that takes him to defend it, because Joe Six Pack will have no fucking idea who he is.Mayock and McShay are already basically saying he's right there with Goff and Lynch, NFLDraftScout has him at 18th overall right now. With a strong Senior Bowl he will only rise, likely to the point where pretty much everybody would be comfortable taking him at 4.
Joe Six PackHe will go in the first. The question is how high and how willing the team is that takes him to defend it, because Joe Six Pack will have no fucking idea who he is.
It used to be Joe Fan, but not anymore.Joe Six Pack
More like Mike Price and Mouse Davis.
For a guy as young as he is and still actively coaching Leach's coaching tree has to be one of the biggest currently.Mumme coached his way rapidly down to division III shortly after Leach left Kentucky, so I question his offensive Genius. Fact is that people are following Leach because they are hiring his coaching tree. Briles, Dykes, Cumbie, Holgorsen, Kingsbury, all Leach assistants and/or players. His coaching tree is getting Coryell-level extensive when you start including even single degrees of separation.
Yeah, I think it's going to be a draft where we know a team like the Browns are taking a QB but we have no idea which of those 3 they are taking. I think all 3 guys will end up with similar grades and then it just comes down to personal preference.Mayock and McShay are already basically saying he's right there with Goff and Lynch, NFLDraftScout has him at 18th overall right now. With a strong Senior Bowl he will only rise, likely to the point where pretty much everybody would be comfortable taking him at 4.
When did I ever say they did.
Leach changed the FB landscape with the air raid. Price and Davis have absolutely nothing to do with the air raid.
That is not speculation anybody with a passing knowledge of offensive sets and plays can see the influence of the run and shoot.Yeah, that's some wild speculation on that wiki editor's part, there's no coaching link between Leach and Mouse Davis, June Jones or any other R&S coach. Every offense has 4 wide packages in it, Coryell, WCO, Erhardt-Perkins. You have to look at the terminology to find the roots of the system and which coaching tree it's from.
I think Jackson likes a more classic pocket style QB so I would think Goff and Wentz would be his top 2.Yeah, I think it's going to be a draft where we know a team like the Browns are taking a QB but we have no idea which of those 3 they are taking. I think all 3 guys will end up with similar grades and then it just comes down to personal preference.
I honestly don't even know where to start.When did I ever say they did.
I swear it's like people are going out of their way to have an issue with something I said.
Let's recap.
It was said that Leach changed college football with the air raid, I said there were people before him that changed it by implementing the spread, those people were Price, Tiller and Mumme.
And the current air raid type offenses are variants of the run and shoot which was implemented by Davis.
Also every spread offense being run now is not air raid, you have the pistol, you have what Rodriguez and Holgerson run and there are offenses that have components of all of these.
Let's not act like Leach did something that has never been done before, he built on what had been before and he learned under Mumme who learned from Lavell Edwards.
Yes Leach has an extensive coaching tree and has refined his particular philosophy into a great offense but he did not change college football.
There are just as many people running variants of Rich Rodriguez spread as there are people running the air raid.
And all of these offenses were crafted from the run and shoot by Davis at portland state and the veer offense by yeoman at Houston.
Yes! You have joined in on the piling on squad.