Jiggyfly
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Probably not.
But I voted for Alan Keyes in a primary once.
So I'm pretty much official now.
~furleysniff~
Probably not.
But I voted for Alan Keyes in a primary once.
So I'm pretty much official now.
~furleysniff~
So typical trot out the black person as the defining voice on the subject.
I really would like to know why you think urban areas are war zones.Well said. I agree with every bit of it.
What the hell that has to do with what I or skid posted is beyond me. But, the assassinations of cops would be the biggest reason. But, how about we not derail this thread with something that has already been discussed and has jack nor shit to do with what skid posted, and I agreed with.I really would like to know why you think urban areas are war zones.
Where does that come from?
Nobody said that this was the defining voice on anything. Just a different point of view from somebody that clearly doesn't fit into the Trump hates blacks narrative being pushed. And what does this woman's opinion here have to do with Clinton winning the popular vote?So typical trot out the black person as the defining voice on the subject.
Keep getting dem checks Stacy, never mind the fact that Hillary won the popular vote.
Wasn't my point. Why did Trump win? He captured the votes of a woken beast, the rural white vote. I'm neither rural, nor white, so I'm guessing why they woke.That sounds good and all but could you kindly tell me when in history has white America ever willingly treated everyone equally without the aid of protest and civil disobedience?
Yeah ignore that everything she said was spot on.So typical trot out the black person as the defining voice on the subject.
Keep getting dem checks Stacy, never mind the fact that Hillary won the popular vote.
There's a caveat that you may have missed regarding some the rural white American. A good many didn't come from a comfortable lifestyle in the suburbs. A lot has poverty laced beginnings and elevated their lifestyles as they grew older. The have an understanding of work ethic and appreciation of acquiring an education and working toward a better standard of living. They also have an appreciation of the sacrifices required to earn this improved lifestyle.Wasn't my point. Why did Trump win? He captured the votes of a woken beast, the rural white vote. I'm neither rural, nor white, so I'm guessing why they woke.
As little as I know about being rural or white, rural white voters know little about urban race relations. Their knowledge is likely from TV and TV was all Kaep, riots, police killings.
Is Kaep, BLM the wrong/right way? I don't know, but whether right/wrong, necessary/unnecessary, it's what I think stirred up the rural white vote.
To your point about protest/civil disobedience...Maybe not equally, but white America has better accepted the model minority Asians, possibly because it's been without protest nor civil disobedience. Asians are better educated, less violent, higher income, but, on the flipside, haven't held strongly to our cultural identity (as opposed to Latinos/blacks) and becoming white-washed. To clarify, Asian-American immigration history is way different than Latinos/blacks and I'm not necessarily advocating that they should/can go the Asian route.
This is dead on concerning me. I was raised in a very poor household as a kid and told myself I would never put my kids through that. I busted my ass and made a good life for my family. Held to my traditional values and taught my kids that it's okay to lose. I could go on but I'm on my phone and don't have the energy.There's a caveat that you may have missed regarding some the rural white American. A good many didn't come from a comfortable lifestyle in the suburbs. A lot has poverty laced beginnings and elevated their lifestyles as they grew older. The have an understanding of work ethic and appreciation of acquiring an education and working toward a better standard of living. They also have an appreciation of the sacrifices required to earn this improved lifestyle.
And they have a high interest in preserving some of the traditions that made it possible.
Why did you feel like you had to make that clarification? I don't believe I insinuated that rural whites were a collection of silver spoon-fed exurbanites.There's a caveat that you may have missed regarding some the rural white American. A good many didn't come from a comfortable lifestyle in the suburbs. A lot has poverty laced beginnings and elevated their lifestyles as they grew older. The have an understanding of work ethic and appreciation of acquiring an education and working toward a better standard of living. They also have an appreciation of the sacrifices required to earn this improved lifestyle.
And they have a high interest in preserving some of the traditions that made it possible.
Just thought I would throw that in as a motivation factor that may be representive of the white voting movement that some depict as the hillbilly vote.Why did you feel like you had to make that clarification? I don't believe I insinuated that rural whites were a collection of silver spoon-fed exurbanites.
Cuz I full on agree with everything you said. As a result, seeing what they saw on TV had them saying WTF and, I'm guessing, galvanized this widespread mobilization to vote.
I think you under estimate the knowledge level of rural white people. And I don't think electing Trump was some sort of retaliation against black people for BLM. As a white male who has lived in St. Louis and currently lives in rural Missouri (So weird what is considered "Rural," this isn't just farmers uniting, it's small cities) I think most of us are pretty aware of urban race relations.Wasn't my point. Why did Trump win? He captured the votes of a woken beast, the rural white vote. I'm neither rural, nor white, so I'm guessing why they woke.
As little as I know about being rural or white, rural white voters know little about urban race relations. Their knowledge is likely from TV and TV was all Kaep, riots, police killings.
From my vantage point and the people I am exposed to the most this resonates pretty true.I think you under estimate the knowledge level of rural white people. And I don't think electing Trump was some sort of retaliation against black people for BLM. As a white male who has lived in St. Louis and currently lives in rural Missouri (So weird what is considered "Rural," this isn't just farmers uniting, it's small cities) I think most of us are pretty aware of urban race relations.
I don't think this election really had much to do with BLM or cops getting shot. It was more about hate towards the establishment and Hillary. People are sick of a shitty economy that continue to get worse and worse. And I think they were open to trying something different. Hillary had the stank of the same old failure all over her. It's sort of like when your starting QB sucks, the backup is always the most popular guy. Because people would prefer the unknown to what they already know sucks.
It is quite possibly the first election where "whitey" (I use that to make it easier to describe) felt threatened.I don't think this election really had much to do with BLM or cops getting shot. It was more about hate towards the establishment and Hillary.
Some like the fact that they have a handout from the government.People are sick of a shitty economy that continue to get worse and worse. And I think they were open to trying something different. Hillary had the stank of the same old failure all over her. It's sort of like when your starting QB sucks, the backup is always the most popular guy. Because people would prefer the unknown to what they already know sucks.
So you want to have a "discussion" about topics you only want to talk about.What the hell that has to do with what I or skid posted is beyond me. But, the assassinations of cops would be the biggest reason. But, how about we not derail this thread with something that has already been discussed and has jack nor shit to do with what skid posted, and I agreed with.
That's one opinion.Yeah ignore that everything she said was spot on.
So, do you think she is ever challenged to get with the program by her friends?That's one opinion.
Likely. My only exposure is when the county fair comes around.I think you under estimate the knowledge level of rural white people.
What's the population of the city you live in? How far is it from the nearest major metro area (guessing St.Louis)? Just curious. No agenda.As a white male who has lived in St. Louis and currently lives in rural Missouri (So weird what is considered "Rural," this isn't just farmers uniting, it's small cities) I think most of us are pretty aware of urban race relations.
Agreed. I don't think race relations is the sole reason for the mobilization. We had a major recession in 2008. Major metro areas seemed to have recovered, but not everyone. Hillary got pulled into Trump's game and didn't set a clear economic recovery agenda. Essentially, her campaign predominantly was "don't vote for that crass bigot."I don't think this election really had much to do with BLM or cops getting shot. It was more about hate towards the establishment and Hillary. People are sick of a shitty economy that continue to get worse and worse. And I think they were open to trying something different. Hillary had the stank of the same old failure all over her. It's sort of like when your starting QB sucks, the backup is always the most popular guy. Because people would prefer the unknown to what they already know sucks.
I actually think it is less about race and more about the appeal of Trump to the average, hard working middle class American. I think the group that turned out in droves for him is probably that group that is typically hard working, but is seeing their way of life (and standard of living) degrading. In many cases, that ends up being rural white voters.Agreed. I don't think race relations is the sole reason for the mobilization. We had a major recession in 2008. Major metro areas seemed to have recovered, but not everyone. Hillary got pulled into Trump's game and didn't set a clear economic recovery agenda. Essentially, her campaign predominantly was "don't vote for that crass bigot."
It's just that TV depicts blacks as protesting shitastic everyday life like every white person was living the life of luxury and rural whites were looking around and saying, "hey, things aren't rosy here, either."
About 2 and half hours to St Louis and about the same to Kansas City. Lake of the Ozarks is sort of an odd area. Small populations during winter and massive populations during summer. I guess Camden County is like 43,000.Likely. My only exposure is when the county fair comes around.
What's the population of the city you live in? How far is it from the nearest major metro area (guessing St.Louis)? Just curious. No agenda.
Agreed. I don't think race relations is the sole reason for the mobilization. We had a major recession in 2008. Major metro areas seemed to have recovered, but not everyone. Hillary got pulled into Trump's game and didn't set a clear economic recovery agenda. Essentially, her campaign predominantly was "don't vote for that crass bigot."
It's just that TV depicts blacks as protesting shitastic everyday life like every white person was living the life of luxury and rural whites were looking around and saying, "hey, things aren't rosy here, either."