A new dead horse to beat: What are your reactions to the NFL's anti-kneeling rule?

Cotton

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He's like a less intelligent version of superpunk.
As misguided as he was, SP was very smart. Townsend is, well... not SP.
 

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It’s a reasonable point, but not really relevant because the rule wasn’t minted in response to a civil rights protest, NBA didn’t pick a side on an existing controversy.
This isn’t a civil rights issue. The NFL isn’t making a rule preventing players from protesting.

They’re saying you can’t protest in uniform, on the clock.

At any rate.... props to the nfl. I’ll continue to laugh at the fake outrage over this. Carry on with your temper tantrum, SJW’s.
 

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Since this thread went south I moved it to the Raw forum.
 

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Literally been in the public eye for 40+ years.

Only accused of being “racist” when he went against the left.

I’d love to see verifiable proof of him making racist comments. Calling Haiti a shit hole doesn’t qualify. Discussing crime commited by illegal immigrants doesn’t qualify.

I’m not partisan. I actually consider myself more libertarian than anything else. But the left is so far out there and lacking in common sense that my drive by mocking of people like bipolar and townsend likely give that impression.

If Trump's not a racist, he does a great job of impersonating one. It's like the old Jeff Foxworthy routine: If you play footsie with white supremacists, flirt with them, and refuse to condemn their hateful ideology, you're probably a racist.

His attack on the NFL players -- think of the imagery, a whole team full of black players kneeling -- was a dog whistle for all the racists in his base.

A president's job is not to add fuel to divisiveness and hate, unless the president's name is Donald Trump.
 

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This new rule by the NFL is complete BS and nothing more than a hollow attempt to bring back a sizable chunk of fans it's employees angered. Since the rule will fine teams for not standing and not the players it means nothing. The players don't give a shit if the teams have to pay a fine. And the vast majority of teams aren't going to antagonize their players (read future FA's) by imposing their own individual fines or punishments as the new rule also allows. I think the Titans and Jets have already announced they will pay any fines if their players want to protest. I'm also sure any fines the teams incur will be paltry in comparison to the revenue lost from angry fans last season.

So the league announces a new policy that doesn't really do anything but a lot of the people they pissed off will feel like they won and return. You can tell the NFL is dominated by lawyers these days.

They should have just left the whole thing alone. It had basically run it's course. But now the players are going to feel obligated to buck what's an affront to their idea of right and wrong and the whole damn cycle is going to start again.
 

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Players should walk out in chains and during the anthem
 

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This isn’t a civil rights issue. The NFL isn’t making a rule preventing players from protesting.

They’re saying you can’t protest in uniform, on the clock.

At any rate.... props to the nfl. I’ll continue to laugh at the fake outrage over this. Carry on with your temper tantrum, SJW’s.
I’m disappointed, this felt like it could have been productive, didn’t know it would devolve into something something SJdoUbleEwEs when it’s brought up these people are people are protesting a civil rights issue. Because it is, exactly as much as Emmitt Till’s murder was a civil rights issue.

The fact that the NFL tailored a rule to prevent that protest means it was okay until people got offended (as they did in the 60s) by by outspoken black men pointing to an unjust system. So the NFL sided against it, and made it not okay, specifically to cater to the people who take issue with that protest.
 

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Whether the players can/can’t should be secondary. Primary is they shouldn’t have.

If there’s one thing popular to hate - it’s cops...to shine the limelight on police brutality, the players did it in the worst way possible to galvanize support and change. They turned would-be supporters into haters and the spotlight shifted from police brutality to black ppl vs the world.

You can lobby for free ice cream and get everyone’s support, but burn the flag to do so and you’ll rightfully feel America’s wrath.
 

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Literally been in the public eye for 40+ years.

Only accused of being “racist” when he went against the left.

I’d love to see verifiable proof of him making racist comments. Calling Haiti a shit hole doesn’t qualify. Discussing crime commited by illegal immigrants doesn’t qualify.

I’m not partisan. I actually consider myself more libertarian than anything else. But the left is so far out there and lacking in common sense that my drive by mocking of people like bipolar and townsend likely give that impression.
You do realize the level of scrutiny of a president>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reality TV star>>>>prominent real estate guy

But for evidence:
- Trump’s real-estate company tried to avoid renting apartments to African-Americans in the 1970s and gave preferential treatment to whites, according to the federal government.
- Once said re a black accountant “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
- argued for the death penalty of the Central Park five (5 black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white woman in NYC) as late as 2016 when DNA evidence had already exonerated them
- In December 2015, Trump called for a “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States,” including refusing to readmit Muslim-American citizens who were outside of the country at the time.
- Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.
- In June 2017, Trump said 15,000 recent immigrants from Haiti “all have AIDS” and that 40,000 Nigerians, once seeing the United States, would never “go back to their huts” in Africa.
- At the White House on Jan. 11, Trump vulgarly called for less immigration from Haiti and Africa and more from Norway.
- He spent years suggesting that the nation’s first black president was born not in the United States but in Kenya, a lie that Trump still has not acknowledged as such.
- Trump called Obama (who was editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review) “a terrible student, terrible.”
- States re the former president "Obama has admitted that he spends his mornings watching @ESPN. Then he plays golf, fundraises & grants amnesty to illegals."
- Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.
- Trump falsely claimed that President Obama “issued a statement for Kwanzaa but failed to issue one for Christmas.”
- He has retweeted white nationalists without apology.
- He called some of those who marched alongside white supremacists in Charlottesville, Va., last August “very fine people.”
- After David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, endorsed him, Trump was reluctant to disavow Duke even when asked directly on television.
- Trump endorsed and campaigned for Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate who spoke positively about slavery and who called for an African-American Muslim member of Congress not to be seated because of his religion.
- Trump pardoned – and fulsomely praises – Joe Arpaio, the Arizona sheriff sanctioned for racially profiling Latinos and for keeping immigrants in brutal prison conditions.
- In the 1990s, Trump took out advertisements alleging that the “Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.” At the time, he was fighting competition for his casino business.
- In a White House meeting with a Korean-American intelligence analyst briefing him on Pakistan, Trump wondered aloud why she was not working on North Korea policy.
- Trump once referred to a Hispanic Miss Universe as “Miss Housekeeping.”

This claim that people just say he's racist because he's conservative is incredibly disingenuous. He has a long and storied history of being racist and claiming otherwise makes you somewhat complicit. I get that people like some of the things he does and can separate that from actually respecting him as a human being. I can't say I respect that as the damn President, but I understand it. It's just not OK to ignore the truth staring you in the face because you don't want it to be true.
 

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not sure why talking about Trump now with this issue. NFL did this policy to save their own ass, not for Trump to call off the dogs. Trump said his piece last year and left it at that. He just stated opinion.
 

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Fixed your post.

Guy literally did that for 8 years.
Again, you claim not to be a partisan but that is an incredibly biased position. Literally, the only people who think that are rabid conservatives. He was a pretty middle-of-the-road Democrat.
 

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The players are the brand. What they do is what the NFL sells. Who they are, how they act and their personalities are part of that. They are all salesmen in a way. So yeah, they want the brand to be what they see fit. That’s how business is in the real world. NFL players are in an elite category that is very privileged. That is just the way it is. I don’t mind them pushing back and using their position as athletes to move the needle but at the end of the day they are simply paid for tools that are there to produce cash.
 

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not sure why talking about Trump now with this issue. NFL did this policy to save their own ass, not for Trump to call off the dogs. Trump said his piece last year and left it at that. He just stated opinion.
horseshit, he's been running his mouth about it in the last few days, making things worse

President Donald Trump praised NFL team owners for doing the "right thing" in requiring NFL players to stand during the National Anthem this season, and suggested those who don't stand maybe "shouldn't be in the country."

"You have to stand proudly for the National Anthem and the NFL owners did the right thing if that's what they've done," Trump said in an interview with Fox News that aired Thursday morning. Trump, who had been speaking at a roundtable on immigration when the policy was announced Wednesday, was informed of the new rule by "Fox & Friends" co-host Brian Kilmeade.
"You have to stand proudly for the National Anthem or you shouldn't be playing. You shouldn't be there. Maybe you shouldn't be in the country," Trump said.
 

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horseshit, he's been running his mouth about it in the last few days, making things worse
Umm, he made those comments after the NFL enacted their policy.

I said the NFL did this policy today in May to save their own ass, not because Trump cancelled the North Korean summit to focus his attention on pressuring the NFL.

Just cuz Trump comments on Roseanne’s success after its re-airing, that doesn’t mean trump applied pressure to have it re-aired.
 

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Yeah, it's a shame it had to devolve into the us vs. them stuff. In the very first post in the thread I lamented that everything winds up being a gloves-off zero sum game.
 

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I hope Trump continues to "make things worse" for these low IQ mushbrained steroid-pumped thugs. They're the last people whose political opinions should be respected. If they weren't allowed to commit violence as apart of their job, most of them would be behind bars
 

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I hope Trump continues to "make things worse" for these low IQ mushbrained steroid-pumped thugs. They're the last people whose political opinions should be respected. If they weren't allowed to commit violence as apart of their job, most of them would be behind bars


Wow. Is the Klan meeting right after the slave auction down at the dock? By the way, I think there's a sale on horsewhips on e-bay.
 

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Yeah, it's a shame it had to devolve into the us vs. them stuff. In the very first post in the thread I lamented that everything winds up being a gloves-off zero sum game.
It's a controversial topic, this was pretty predictable.:sad
 
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