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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev View Post
    You are a season ticket holder... We already know.
    Oh, well now I'm offended. Where's the report button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    The fact that you think that Obama was more of a “divider” than the man who spent 8 years saying he was from Kenya is pretty telling.

    After the Dallas shooting Obama came to speak with George W in hopes of helping unite the country. After C-Ville Trump defended Nazis and went golfing. Obama was a politician who had stances people disagreed with. Trump is a filthy piece of shit who doubles down when his staffers joke about McCain dying. Do you see the difference?
    Yeah, I heard the speech where he turned a memorial type deal for the 5 fallen officers into a gun control lecture. I've talked to many Dallas officers about it and to a person they were infuriated by it and wished he hadn't come. Some of the families lived in the division I commanded here in Fort Worth at the time. Not happy either. So yes, that Obama. Again I tell you, I don't know Trump personally, but I bet in your lifetime, in private, you have made a crass or rude statement when you are among people you supposedly trust for it not to get out. Just saying. Personally, Since McCain won't retire and can't do his job, dying seems to be the only way he is leaving his position. And it's all because of spite and not other reason. The family deserves comfort, but they need to tell him to quit being a hateful POS. People would have far more sympathy.

    Regardless, you hate Trump, we get it. I didn't hate Obama until his second term only his politics. But Trump is trying to the things that he promised to get my vote and frankly as long as he does that, I don't care what sort of person he is as long as he works within the law and the Constitution. Seemed to be another problem the past president had, not doing that.

    Lastly, I think you are bearing witness to a left wing meltdown of epic proportion. With all the nutty, hateful, and in many cases untruthful things being cast Trump's way, my guess is they are pushing more independents toward him. I think re does run again and wins re-election by a larger margin. We'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    The core issue with these two presidents is how people learn about them.

    Trump makes an ass of himself without any need for right wing spin, just candid comments during interviews, tweets and rallies.

    Obama coverage was mostly positive from the left and deeply negative from the right, but it depended a lot more on spin, if you tune into Judge Jeannine her programming was built on the idea that whatever simple innocuous thing Obama did was an affront to the constitution, God and the troops.

    With Trump you need no additional commentary, he digs his own grave, and then his loyal bootlickers fly out to be outraged over the outrage.
    I keep reading about how "divisive" Obama was. He was "divisive" by his mere presence (race) and to a smaller extent, his globalist perspective.

    In other words, you had to dig for reasons to feel he was dividing the country unless of course, you had a real axe to grind with the fact he was black and mostly liberal.

    Trump doesn't bother with filters. He doesn't even pretend he gives a shit.

    I guess that appeals to the knuckle-draggers, but it is sad to watch.

    I have never seen any standing President be so partisan, self-serving and frankly, ignorant.

    I guess that is his appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    Liberals as a whole vary. For instance there are a lot of Al Franken truthers that think his accusers are all a bunch of right wing plants.There are definitely shameless partisans on the left, but you don’t need to take a snippet of what Trump says out of context.

    Which by the way, anyone who listened to Trump’s whole interview could come away with the impression that he used a sheriff’s, non-question, statement about MS-13 as a jumping off point to talk about illegal immigrants as a whole, there’s a difference between taking a couple sentences of speech out of context, and insisting there’s additional context to an unabridged response that was blirted out without a single reference to MS-13.

    Trump apologetics demands we assume he’s so stupid that he accidentally says things that sound incredibly bigoted, but every piece of dumb racist, or sexist bullshit he blurts out is just him, the president, being an innocent without control of his words. Meanwhile the radical fringe of people who rejoice at his every word, and get covered for by him, continue to feel like Trump “tells it like it is”.

    And declaring things “imagined” and “pretend” doesn’t make it so. Was “bleeding from her wherever” imaginary? Was Charlottesville imaginary? Good news for Heather Heyer’s parents, maybe they can get a refund on that headstone.

    I’m so fucking sick of this both siderism. Assuming both sides are even, and grasping at straws to draw equivalency is operates from the same useless confirmation bias as someone who thinks the opposing team is always wrong.
    I don’t know why but this made me imagine white vans parked while using listening devices trying their best to pick up any racist signals.

    “If you listen real hard you can hear the racism.”

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    Obama was way more divisive than just skin color and globalism. Tacit support of identity politics is inherently devisive way more than you saw just a generation ago with Bill Clinton. And Hillary Clinton was more devisive than Obama; certainly she abandoned her husbandís model for the leftís new playbook.

    But certainly it would be impossible to argue that Trump hasnít been more devisive. He has unfortunately both wittingly (through all his tough talk and insults) and unwittingly (failing to denounce white nationalism strongly enough, perhaps, and i say unwittingly because i donít believe Trump actually has any sympathy for Naziís), become way more devisive.

    However, part of the devisiveness is the leftís reaction and assumption that heís evil; and in this sense it definitely mirrors and largely equals the rightís demonization of Obama as an America hating Muslim.

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    If people think Obama was divisive, it was probably way simpler than you put it....like his skin color and the birther shit.

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    Um, no. I think he was divisive, and I thought the birther stuff was irrelevant and his skin color was a positive. I wish conservatives had a legit black candidate.

    The way he handled some of the racial incidents was definitely less than uniting.
    2014=2009, 2015=2010?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab View Post
    Um, no. I think he was divisive, and I thought the birther stuff was irrelevant and his skin color was a positive. I wish conservatives had a legit black candidate.

    The way he handled some of the racial incidents was definitely less than uniting.
    Yeah Obama was extremely divisive. And no it wasn't just because he was black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    If people think Obama was divisive, it was probably way simpler than you put it....like his skin color and the birther shit.
    I think that's probably unfair. I mean, yes a significant portion of the right wing hated having a black man in the white house. There is zero question about that. As they say, you don't have to be a racist to be a republican but if you're a racist you are definitely a republican. That being said you hear too many conservatives parroting this line to think it's all about that.

    This is a Fox news talking point. Literally everything Obama did form ordering dijon mustard to his wife pushing kids to eat better got politicized. No matter how innocuous or bipartisan, Fox News and the Reps fought it and cast it as malevolent. After a while it sinks in and these guys believe it implicitly. I've asked people to give me examples and out comes the beer summit incident. However, the guy apologized and made every attempt to mend fences. After that example, it all gets very vague. Meeting with celebrities, going to Hollywood awards show, shit like that. As if that shows anything. Who wouldn't go to the Oscars if invited? I've googled articles about why people think he's so divisive and they're all just partisan trash. I haven't read anything above "he didn't do what we wanted him to do" so he's divisive. It's not like there was anyone trying to compromise with Obama for 8 years.

    Meanwhile, you ask why Trumpy is seen as divisive and people can go like 20 deep on examples without blinking an eye. That being said, at least the folks here have the intellectual honesty to admit that.

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