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Thread: A new dead horse to beat: What are your reactions to the NFL's anti-kneeling rule?

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    A new dead horse to beat: What are your reactions to the NFL's anti-kneeling rule?

    My first reaction is that it's well within the rights of the league (owners) to make the rule and enforce it.

    They (owners) own the teams, the stadiums, the TV contracts, the uniforms (logos) and in a sense, they own the players by virtue of the contracts.

    An employer, generally, has the right the regulate activity at the workplace and set the terms of employment. If I stand up on my desk and start yelling about what a great thing Marxism is, or reading aloud from Mein Kampf, my employer has the right to shut me up and, if necessary, fire me. Free speech does not extend into disrupting a work environment.

    I read one interpretation that claimed the rule was illegal because the players operate under a union contract, and that the NFL can't change rules without consulting the union. Not sure I buy that.

    I think the NFL is stupid and tone-deaf (big surprise) to raise the issue again and make it a point of contention. I think the players would stupid to fight it, and/or test it.

    The players made their point. Yes, the issue is serious and needs to be addressed. Disrespecting the flag and the anthem won't solve it. It will only antagonize and divide.

    The players are public figures. They would have plenty of platforms and venues, outside the games themselves, from which to voice opinions.

    It seems everything is this country these days is a zero-sum game. Don't talk things over, wage all-out war instead. Scorched-earth ideology carries the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadrise View Post
    My first reaction is that it's well within the rights of the league (owners) to make the rule and enforce it.

    They (owners) own the teams, the stadiums, the TV contracts, the uniforms (logos) and in a sense, they own the players by virtue of the contracts.

    An employer, generally, has the right the regulate activity at the workplace and set the terms of employment. If I stand up on my desk and start yelling about what a great thing Marxism is, or reading aloud from Mein Kampf, my employer has the right to shut me up and, if necessary, fire me. Free speech does not extend into disrupting a work environment.

    I read one interpretation that claimed the rule was illegal because the players operate under a union contract, and that the NFL can't change rules without consulting the union. Not sure I buy that.

    I think the NFL is stupid and tone-deaf (big surprise) to raise the issue again and make it a point of contention. I think the players would stupid to fight it, and/or test it.

    The players made their point. Yes, the issue is serious and needs to be addressed. Disrespecting the flag and the anthem won't solve it. It will only antagonize and divide.

    The players are public figures. They would have plenty of platforms and venues, outside the games themselves, from which to voice opinions.

    It seems everything is this country these days is a zero-sum game. Don't talk things over, wage all-out war instead. Scorched-earth ideology carries the day.
    I think this is probably the dumbest thing the NFL could do. Tone deafness has been the biggest issue with these owners, and after Trump waded into this, and the Houston owner compared his players to inmates, they should have done a lot more to not immediately get on the bad side of a league thatís like 80% black men. Even if nothing big happens protest wise this year, theyíve sewn even more distrust, and I think the odds of a lockout year have more than doubled.

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    Right rule wrong way to implement it. Players will forget about it quickly though. The whole kneeling thing had already passed. Or close to it.

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    Letís not pretend the NFL is doing this all in the name of patriotism.

    Almost in a way, I cringe seeing our military personnel on the football field with endzones painted, coaches and players wearing camo - $100 sideline jackets, $40 camo hats and $24 camo towels. Thereís a fine line between appreciation/honoring our military and exploitation. Our military being paraded around like circus animals so the NFL can seem patriotic as they collect seven-digit payments from the DoD. Wasnít until Trump stepped in to call them out that the NFL took action.

    Not as egregious, but itís almost like the ĎNo Moreí movement, with every NFL-sponsored commercial garnering an eye roll as they follow it up with NFL womenís clothing line commercial.

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    I think the NFL is in a no-win scenario. They want fans, period. They don't want to be involved in divisive politics at all. Sure there are some owners that may have a strong opinion one way or the other but most just don't want fewer eyeballs and fewer butts in seats. I've spoken to a lot of people who took last year off from the NFL because of the kneeling issue. It turned them off. I think that's ridiculous but what can you do. Picking a side means you're pissing off the other side and losing fans. It's no-win. Trump wading in really hurt the NFL because he has a ton of mindless followers who will eat up everything he says. By the way, I'm sure Obama had his share of mindless followers too if that makes people feel better about their choices.

    Interestingly, many black Americans are now saying they will be less interested in the NFL due to the pandering. However, I think the NFL has decided chasing the white dollars over the black dollars. It's pretty hard to disagree with the math on that but again they would rather just not be having the conversation.

    As for townsend's remark about the workforce, he's correct. This will be a labor issue. They already despise the commissioner. I can't imagine there won't be a lockout but I've thought that for over a year now. Still, in the end the players are better off with more fans than less as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    Let’s not pretend the NFL is doing this all in the name of patriotism.

    Almost in a way, I cringe seeing our military personnel on the football field with endzones painted and camo towels adorned by players. There’s a fine line between appreciation/honoring our military and exploitation. Our military being paraded around like circus animals so the NFL can seem patriotic as they collect seven-digit payments from the DoD while the NFL played the tax system for decades as a non-profit.

    Not as egregious, but it’s almost like the ‘No More’ movement, with every NFL-sponsored commercial garnering an eye roll as they follow it up with NFL women’s clothing line commercial.
    It's good business to wrap your product in the flag. But I like the honoring of the military at games. It's a small way to show appreciation. It's better than a fucking a military parade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostxn View Post
    It's good business to wrap your product in the flag. But I like the honoring of the military at games. It's a small way to show appreciation. It's better than a fucking a military parade...
    Overall, as a fan, I like this mass gathering/venue opportunity to show military my appreciation, too. Love the flyovers and Whitney Houston moments. It just has started to feel a bit tarnished when I’m waving my flag in one hand while the NFL is slimingly holding up my other hand giving me the salesman’s wink. Fucking Don King-style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostxn View Post
    It's good business to wrap your product in the flag. But I like the honoring of the military at games. It's a small way to show appreciation. It's better than a fucking a military parade...
    Military parades are dope, though. Especially the Blue Angels.

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    Didn’t the teams stay in the locker rooms for several years while the game preliminaries were being done?

    I recall that what you saw on the tube was coin toss and a commercial played on tv while the players came out and lined up to play. It was rare to see any national anthem coverage if in fact one was recognized through tv coverage.

    During this time I attended the Cowboys games and the National anthem was done before the coin toss but it wasn’t televised.. To me allowing the players to stay in the locker rooms was common place. Just leave it be and it will die down. The only people interested in seeing a contraversary is the media groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    Didn’t the teams stay in the locker rooms for several years while the game preliminaries were being done?

    I recall that what you saw on the tube was coin toss and a commercial played on tv while the players came out and lined up to play. It was rare to see any national anthem coverage if in fact one was recognized through tv coverage.

    During this time I attended the Cowboys games and the National anthem was done before the coin toss but it wasn’t televised.. To me allowing the players to stay in the locker rooms was common place. Just leave it be and it will die down. The only people interested in seeing a contraversary is the media groups.
    Yup. Players on field didn’t start (except for Super Bowl) until NFL got paid for it. Likely kneeling players jeopardized the NFL’s payment.

    Lets just say the NFL ain’t Bob Hope with this policy to ‘protect the honoring’ of military.

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