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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    Looking forward about 2 years I really like where we're at on the DL, assuming we can find ourselves a stud DT, and assuming Lawrence can give us about 8-12 sacks a year which seems reasonable assuming health.

    You have Lawrence/Charlton/Armstrong at DE, perhaps one of Ealy/Gregory can establish themselves in the rotation as well. I think Charlton will give us a solid 6 or so sacks a year with very good run defense and Armstrong has starter potential as well.

    At DT I like Collins as a long-term starter, he can play either the 3 or 1, you'd just rather have him be your 2nd best DT and not your top guy at the position. I don't think Irving is long for this team all things considered so ideally we find a guy in the draft next year in what could be a rare DL class. Guys like Ward, Jones, or Price should give us decent enough depth as well moving forward.
    Are you assuming Irving sucks this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    Looking forward about 2 years I really like where we're at on the DL, assuming we can find ourselves a stud DT, and assuming Lawrence can give us about 8-12 sacks a year which seems reasonable assuming health.

    You have Lawrence/Charlton/Armstrong at DE, perhaps one of Ealy/Gregory can establish themselves in the rotation as well. I think Charlton will give us a solid 6 or so sacks a year with very good run defense and Armstrong has starter potential as well.

    At DT I like Collins as a long-term starter, he can play either the 3 or 1, you'd just rather have him be your 2nd best DT and not your top guy at the position. I don't think Irving is long for this team all things considered so ideally we find a guy in the draft next year in what could be a rare DL class. Guys like Ward, Jones, or Price should give us decent enough depth as well moving forward.
    I agree. And it's kind of sad on Irving. The guy has the ability to be one of the best DT's in the NFL in our defense. But he just seems like a headcase who is going to probably be on his way out. It's unfortunate for him because if he wasn't he'd have the chance to be paid like one of the top DT's in the NFL after this season. I guess instead we use him and let him go. It's just hard to find 6'7" guys like him that move so well in the middle of this defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    Are you assuming Irving sucks this year?
    I think he's assuming Irving is a headcase that the coaching staff doesn't want signed to a mega contract. I'd probably franchise him though if we can sign Lawrence long term so we don't have to use the tag there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    I think he's assuming Irving is a headcase that the coaching staff doesn't want signed to a mega contract. I'd probably franchise him though if we can sign Lawrence long term so we don't have to use the tag there.
    This.

    The franchise tag could be an option if he has a huge year but at this point I don't think there is any way they sign him to a contract at 12 or so per year, which is what it'd take him if he puts up another 8 or so sacks and stays healthy.

    I think there is a chance that he has a good but not great year, teams are scared off by his antics, and we keep him around on a short, below market deal. Either way I don't think the team looks at him as a cornerstone.

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    Dallas Cowboys camp war: Bo Scarbrough vs. Darius Jackson
    by Brad Austin3 hours ago

    The Dallas Cowboys added a familiar face to the running back mix. In the coming war for third rusher, each player has advantages.
    Things are about to get chippy among the Dallas Cowboys faithful with Darius Jackson’s return to the running back room. Fiery debates are just getting started.

    The Landry Hat’s own Steven Mullenax recently wrote an excellent backstory on Jackson’s attributes and short time in Dallas.

    Most NFL fans have a notoriously short memory and live in the moment. But with Jackson, a large Dallas contingent still values the legitimate promise he displayed.

    They also recall management’s horrible decision to ditch years of promise to activate aged veteran Darren McFadden for three games and 87 measly yards.

    TWO-BACK DRAFT SUCCESS

    Both Ezekiel Elliott and Jackson were plucked by Dallas in the same 2016 draft. Zeke was a lock to start through 2020. However, if Jackson proved worthy, that draft would’ve also secured a solid back-up runner through 2019.

    Jackson proved his mettle in live preseason action. He led all Cowboys backs with 141 rushing yards and ranked 14th among NFL rushers. Joseph Randle is the only Cowboys preseason back to rush for more yards (221) since 2013.

    The kid had it, most Cowboys fans knew it, and the team needlessly trashed it.

    Fast forward to the 2018 draft. Dallas again spent a late round pick on a talented, unheralded, big back. Alabama’s Bo Scarbrough was an applauded make-up call.

    Things have heated up now that the Jackson redo invited the actual man himself to challenge the new rookie for the back-up spot he once was destined for.

    CONTRACT FAVORS THE ROOKIE

    Jackson signed a one-year deal but Dallas holds exclusive free agent rights for 2019. He won’t be able to negotiate with other teams, and could be retained fairly cheap.

    Scarbrough is locked in for four years and unable to leave until 2022. The team holding his rights for an extra two years certainly weighs in his favor.

    Although if Jackson clearly performs better, it would be careless to sacrifice a superior player for a more secure back-up spot three years down the road.

    SKILLS LEAN TO THE VETERAN

    Jackson is faster, more shifty, and a far better receiver. If seeking an every down insurance policy for Elliott, Jackson may even challenge Rod Smith in this area.

    He’s also likely more developed in pass protection than the rookie. He did it well in the 2016 preseason and Scarbrough was critiqued on some draft reports.

    However, the massive Alabama back does have a few very intriguing advantages. The brutish offensive line in Dallas will support his one-cut, banging style.

    Behind a weak line a slower developing takeoff would have trouble. The Dallas line gets push and opens creases fast, which he may be able to exploit in a big way.

    Another strength is his potential unique fit as a goal line bruiser. No other runner on the roster has the wrecking ball size and power to be a short-yardage hammer.

    Get the popcorn ready, this one has the makings of an all-out roster spot war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    I think he's assuming Irving is a headcase that the coaching staff doesn't want signed to a mega contract. I'd probably franchise him though if we can sign Lawrence long term so we don't have to use the tag there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    This.

    The franchise tag could be an option if he has a huge year but at this point I don't think there is any way they sign him to a contract at 12 or so per year, which is what it'd take him if he puts up another 8 or so sacks and stays healthy.

    I think there is a chance that he has a good but not great year, teams are scared off by his antics, and we keep him around on a short, below market deal. Either way I don't think the team looks at him as a cornerstone.
    Gotcha. That very well may end up being the case, but I damn sure am hoping he can pull his head out because he is a beast.
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    Here's the tough call. Say he stays healthy, keeps his head on straight, and puts up double digit sacks, say in the teens. Then what? He'll be a hot commodity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p1_ View Post
    Here's the tough call. Say he stays healthy, keeps his head on straight, and puts up double digit sacks, say in the teens. Then what? He'll be a hot commodity.
    I place the tag on him and make him do it two years in a row. If he can do that, I then sign him longterm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    I place the tag on him and make him do it two years in a row. If he can do that, I then sign him longterm.
    The hard thing is he is 26 now. I start getting nervous waiting until a guy is 28 to sign him long term. I'd rather get it done sooner than later so we don't end up with a 30 something year old on a bad contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    The hard thing is he is 26 now. I start getting nervous waiting until a guy is 28 to sign him long term. I'd rather get it done sooner than later so we don't end up with a 30 something year old on a bad contract.
    Sign him to 4 years and frontload it.
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