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View Poll Results: Who do you want to take at 19?

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  • Calvin Ridley

    3 16.67%
  • Leighton Vander Esch

    2 11.11%
  • Will Hernandez

    7 38.89%
  • Da'Ron Payne

    1 5.56%
  • D.J. Moore

    1 5.56%
  • Rashaan Evans

    0 0%
  • Trade up for Vita Vea (cost 3rd)

    2 11.11%
  • Trade up for Derwin James (cost 2nd)

    1 5.56%
  • Trade up for Roquan Smith (cost 2nd)

    0 0%
  • Trade Back

    1 5.56%
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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostxn View Post
    You really want a guard? He's a really nice player but I don't think he makes this team a ton better. I will say we will likely play every offensive snap from the get-go so that's a plus.
    He's the guy I feel is most likely to be an All Pro caliber player so yes, but I wouldn't be upset if they decided to take someone like Vander Esch, Payne, or Moore over him if that's how it played out.

    If a guy like Smith was available and they went with someone like Moore or Payne I'd be livid, but while I think Hernandez is the BPA out of those guys I don't have him so high above everyone else that I'd be upset if they went elsewhere. I'd be perfectly happy with Moore/Payne/Vander Esch, and I guess Ridley also although something about him just doesn't sit right with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostxn View Post
    No love for DJ Moore?

    He is the one I want after the trade back. I really like him as well. Just have a hard time seeing him at 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    He's the guy I feel is most likely to be an All Pro caliber player so yes, but I wouldn't be upset if they decided to take someone like Vander Esch, Payne, or Moore over him if that's how it played out.

    If a guy like Smith was available and they went with someone like Moore or Payne I'd be livid, but while I think Hernandez is the BPA out of those guys I don't have him so high above everyone else that I'd be upset if they went elsewhere. I'd be perfectly happy with Moore/Payne/Vander Esch, and I guess Ridley also although something about him just doesn't sit right with me.
    Payne may be the one I want least of all of them. I don't like him as much as DTs who we could get much later. Evans is probably right next to him on my fuck no list.

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    If we stand pat, Hernandez then Ridley or Vander Esch. Whichever of them happens to be available.

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    Wow Hernandez is running away with it. Shocker...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    We are in a no-man's land. It sucks.

    Ridley.

    Vander Esch.

    Hernandez.

    Payne:

    Moore:

    Evans:
    Pretty much. The draft's depth at WR (and the time they typically take to develop), really makes me want to wait until the 3rd for one.

    Ridley and Evans and Vander Esch are two sides of the athleticism coin for me. Concerned that Ridley and Evans are not athletic enough, and Vander Esch's athleticism hasn't translated to production as much as might be expected.

    Payne is all potential with no track record of production.

    Given what is likely to be left at that point, I would rather trade down, get our starting guard in the mid-20s, and get a pick we could package to move up later on.

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    I'd give a 3rd to get Vea, barring that I'd prefer Hernandez, Moore, Vander Esch, Riddley in that order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GShock View Post
    Pretty much. The draft's depth at WR (and the time they typically take to develop), really makes me want to wait until the 3rd for one.
    A valid take.

    Quote Originally Posted by GShock View Post
    Ridley and Evans and Vander Esch are two sides of the athleticism coin for me. Concerned that Ridley and Evans are not athletic enough, and Vander Esch's athleticism hasn't translated to production as much as might be expected.
    This is pretty inaccurate.
    Ridley is a 4.4 guy so he's plenty fast. Not a jumper though.
    Evans is athletic as hell. His issue is he's a guesser and is often a beat slow to decide where he's going. His draft profile describes him as:
    - Build like new breed of NFL linebackers
    - Possesses good length and great speed
    - Premium athlete with plus agility, range and explosiveness
    Vander Esch had 141 tackles, 91 unassisted, 4 sacks, 2 picks. Productivity isn't even close to a problem for him. He's only a one year starter though. He also has some trouble working his way through trash. Last 1st round LBers aren't flawless.

    Quote Originally Posted by GShock View Post
    Payne is all potential with no track record of production.
    That's a bit much. He produced, he was second team all SEC with 53 tackles, one sack, one interception, three pass break-ups. He also was a total monster in the championship game. He was the defensive MVP (and the prior game as well). So he's not a bum but you could argue he has not been consistent throughout.

    Quote Originally Posted by GShock View Post
    Given what is likely to be left at that point, I would rather trade down, get our starting guard in the mid-20s, and get a pick we could package to move up later on.
    Not a bad approach.

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    Vander Esch was also the MWC DPOY, and Payne's game against Georgia wasn't just monstrous, it was like a damn highlight reel. His ability to rush the passer is more potential than production, although he is much quicker off the ball than I expected, but he is ready-made to dominate against the run and is certainly much more than just potential in that regard.

    I've been saying for a while now though that trading down would be our best bet if we can do it, there are a bunch of guys I'd be happy with at 19 but none that I truly love. If we can pop down about 8-10 spots and grab an extra Day 2 pick I'd be very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    Vander Esch was also the MWC DPOY, and Payne's game against Georgia wasn't just monstrous, it was like a damn highlight reel. His ability to rush the passer is more potential than production, although he is much quicker off the ball than I expected, but he is ready-made to dominate against the run and is certainly much more than just potential in that regard.

    I've been saying for a while now though that trading down would be our best bet if we can do it, there are a bunch of guys I'd be happy with at 19 but none that I truly love. If we can pop down about 8-10 spots and grab an extra Day 2 pick I'd be very happy.
    Who will people be dying to come up and get though? Probably not the guys we're targeting. Maybe Connor Williams or Mike McGlinchey? The QBs will be gone.

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